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Dive into the dynamic world of digital marketing with Amanda Vandiver and Adam Landis in “How I Grew This,” where we invite leaders in the space to explore how they overcome industry challenges to achieve growth. Expect insightful conversations that uncover the secrets of our guest’s success in the ever-evolving landscape of digital marketing.

  1. Why Your Mobile App Strategy Is Backwards — and What to Do Instead (with Matt Hudson)

    5 FEB

    Why Your Mobile App Strategy Is Backwards — and What to Do Instead (with Matt Hudson)

    What if your mobile app strategy was holding back your entire company's growth? In this episode, Amanda and Adam welcome back Matt Hudson, founder of BILDIT, to discuss why mobile-first thinking isn't just about technology—it's an organizational imperative. From breaking down the real ROI of app investment and the myth of channel cannibalization, to preparing your ecommerce business for AI discovery optimization, Matt shares hard-won lessons on aligning teams, personalizing customer experiences, and staying ahead of LLM-driven search trends. Whether you're scaling retail, launching a mobile strategy, or wrestling with how to compete in an AI-first world, this conversation cuts through the noise to deliver actionable insights that will reshape how you think about customer engagement across all channels. What You’ll Learn: How to determine if your ecommerce business actually needs a mobile appWhy organizational alignment across teams matters more than technologyThe critical difference between SEO and AI discovery optimizationHow to immediately implement AI-ready data on your site todayWhy React Native and cross-functional web-and-mobile teams accelerate app growthHow AI personalization works at scale using embeddings and vectorsEpisode Highlights: [00:05:35] The Five-Point Framework for Determining If Your Business Needs a Mobile App -  Matt Hudson shares a strategic framework to help ecommerce businesses evaluate whether a mobile app investment makes sense for their company. The framework addresses a critical question many retailers face: with limited resources, is building an app worth the effort and cost? Rather than assuming all businesses need apps, Hudson identifies five specific criteria: having 50,000+ SKUs, operating physical stores, running loyalty programs, generating $100M+ in revenue, and understanding that app users are your most loyal customers—not necessarily younger demographics. For example, a retailer with nearby physical locations sees 50% higher app usage within a 25-mile radius, proving that apps convert loyal, high-value customers who trust the brand. This framework helps ecommerce leaders make data-driven decisions about mobile strategy instead of following industry trends blindly. [00:11:36] Organizational Alignment Over Technology: Why Mobile App Growth Requires Company-Wide Buy-In -  Matt Hudson reveals that mobile app success depends far less on technical excellence and far more on getting every department—from stores to marketing to IT—genuinely invested in the app's growth. The challenge most retailers face is that mobile and web teams operate in silos, compete for attribution credit, and prioritize their own channel's metrics over total revenue. Hudson explains that when the marketing team sees improved ROAS (return on ad spend) from app traffic, and when stores actively promote downloads, the app grows exponentially; without this organizational alignment, even a perfect user experience fails. A key tactic is seating app and marketing teams physically next to each other and tying bonuses to overall company revenue rather than channel-specific metrics. This organizational shift removes the false notion of "cannibalization" and ensures every team pushes customers to their best experience—whether web or app. [00:21:19] Optimize for AI Discovery (AIO) Now or Lose 90% of Your Search Traffic -  Matt Hudson warns that traffic from AI-powered discovery is already replacing traditional Google search, with click-through rates dropping from 15% to as low as 8% (or lower), and the trend will only accelerate. Unlike Google's SEO, which indexes everything and rewards backlinks, AI discovery prioritizes authoritative sources—Reddit, Quora, FAQs, podcasts, and trusted voices—and cares about giving correct answers, not just showing available links. Retailers must shift strategy immediately: stop relying on keyword rankings and start building authority through FAQ-formatted content, detailed product descriptions, JSON-LD schema markup, and getting mentioned in trusted communities where real people validate your answers. The good news is that unlike SEO, this content doesn't need to be visible to users—you can hide FAQs below product pages specifically for AI consumption. For any retailer serious about discoverability in the next 2–3 years, implementing AIO optimization today is non-negotiable for maintaining visibility. [00:32:38] Layer Personalized Customer Data into Product Pages Today So LLMs Reference It Now -  Matt Hudson advises ecommerce companies to immediately begin adding customer-specific, personalized data to product pages—not just generic descriptions—so that large language models start consuming and referencing this information in recommendations today, rather than waiting for "perfect" AI features. LLMs use three-dimensional embeddings and vectors to predict which tokens (words) come next based on a user's entire conversation history; if you provide personalized data about who a product suits, the AI naturally generates personalized answers. For example, instead of just "Red Plaid Shirt," include FAQ-style answers like "Is this great for trendy ladies?" or "Will this fit someone with a small frame?" so the AI understands the product's full audience and context. The data doesn't need to be visible on the page—it can be hidden in structured markup or FAQ sections—but its presence trains the AI to make smarter, more personalized recommendations when customers ask about your products in ChatGPT or other LLMs. This practice compounds over time as models learn your data patterns and become more effective at positioning your products. Episode Resources: Matt Hudson on LinkedInBILDIT on LinkedInBILDIT WebsiteAmanda Vandiver on LinkedInAdam Landis on LinkedInBranch on LinkedInBranch WebsiteHow I Grew This on Apple PodcastsHow I Grew This on SpotifyHow I Grew This on Simplecast

    43 min
  2. Clarity Wins: The Fundamentals That Still Matter (Best of 2025)

    23 JAN

    Clarity Wins: The Fundamentals That Still Matter (Best of 2025)

    In 2025, growth didn’t stall because teams lacked tools—it stalled because they lacked clarity. AI accelerated everything, dashboards multiplied, and activity increased, yet decision-making quietly got worse. In this Best of 2025 compilation, Amanda and Adam revisit standout conversations with growth, product, and leadership operators to uncover a shared truth: the teams that won weren’t moving faster—they were seeing more clearly. From subscription app fundamentals and AI attribution to leadership focus, creative guardrails, and defensibility in an agent-led future, this episode connects the patterns that actually held up. You’ll learn why understanding your funnel matters more than scaling it, why server logs reveal what analytics dashboards miss, where “vibe coding” breaks down, and why saying no is often the most strategic decision a leader can make. If you’re building, leading, or navigating an AI-first world, this episode is a reminder that the fundamentals never stopped mattering.   Episode Highlights: [00:01:01] Build Subscription Apps on Clear Metrics, Not Blind Scaling Takeaway: If you can’t see your funnel end-to-end, you’re guessing—and scaling guesswork is how apps die. Shumel explains that early-stage subscription app founders often rush into growth before setting up the analytics that actually matter. Many compare themselves to mature competitors with completely different economics, timelines, and data maturity. The real work starts by tagging the right events early so you can see how users move from app open to registration to engagement—and how different subscription tiers (weekly vs. annual) change behavior. Once that visibility exists, founders can model realistic unit economics like CAC, LTV, and payback period instead of chasing premature ROI. Clarity here prevents expensive scaling mistakes and gives teams a foundation they can trust. [00:04:34] Use Server Logs as Your Most Reliable AI Attribution Signal Takeaway: Your analytics dashboard is lying to you—server logs are the source of truth. Jason breaks down why standard tools like GA4 fail to show how AI models interact with your content. AI systems like ChatGPT use multiple bots for training, retrieval, and other functions, and their activity never appears cleanly in traditional dashboards. Server logs, however, capture every request. By analyzing them, teams can see which content AI models actually reference, how often training bots consume data, and what traffic flows from AI tools like Perplexity. This uncomfortable clarity lets brands make smarter content decisions in an AI-driven distribution landscape where polished dashboards obscure reality. [00:07:59] Know Where AI Accelerates Your Team—and Where It Creates Risk Takeaway: AI should speed up judgment, not replace it. Robert explains that “vibe coding” works well for proofs of concept and simple applications but breaks down in regulated environments and complex legacy systems. In fintech and healthcare, security, compliance, and maintainability still demand human oversight. His team uses AI tools like Microsoft Copilot to eliminate repetitive cognitive work—research, scaffolding, and suggestions—so engineers can focus on architecture and risk. The advantage isn’t letting AI build the product for you; it’s freeing your best people to make the decisions that keep the business safe and defensible. [00:10:06] Lead Through Mission Clarity and Ruthless Focus, Not Heroic Effort Takeaway: Too many priorities feel urgent—clarity tells teams what to ignore. Patrick shares a leadership framework centered on repeatedly resetting the mission: who you’re building for and why. When teams juggle too many “important” initiatives, progress stalls and morale drops. His antidote is ruthless prioritization—actively unfocusing from false emergencies—and creating structured space for creativity through hackathons and design challenges. He also challenges the idea that technical PMs must code, arguing that curiosity and supported learning matter more. In fast-moving environments, clarity isn’t motivational fluff—it’s how teams survive sustained pressure. [00:13:14] Use Principles as an Operating System, Not Decoration Takeaway: Saying no isn’t a luxury—it’s how durable businesses are built. Mick shows how principled constraints create long-term advantage. By declining gambling and gaming clients and focusing tightly on mobile, his agency protected quality, talent, and culture—even when cash flow was tight. Early-stage companies don’t lack ambition; they lack focus. Prioritizing payroll, vendors, and sustainable growth over personal draw builds trust internally and externally. Over time, this creates a compounding effect: trained leaders pass down standards and judgment that outside hires can’t replicate. Principles stop being slogans and become infrastructure. [00:17:36] Use Guardrails to Unlock Creativity Instead of Stifling It Takeaway: Constraints don’t kill creativity—they aim it. Lindiwe explains how clear guardrails transform cross-functional chaos into productive collaboration. Designers move faster when constraints are explicit, and stakeholders contribute better feedback when they focus on strategy instead of taste. Guardrails—brand, goals, and boundaries—turn conflicting opinions into useful tension rather than endless revision cycles. When everyone understands their role, creativity becomes a problem-solving engine instead of an emotional battleground. [00:23:09] Pick a Niche Problem, Build a Data Advantage, and Lock In Stickiness Takeaway: Defensibility comes from speed, focus, and owning one lane deeply. Cooper outlines how companies survive in an AI-accelerated world by solving specific, high-value problems that large AI labs won’t prioritize. As AI agents become the primary interface, switching costs—not features—create stickiness. Products trained on deep, niche data become hard to replace because retraining is expensive and risky. Fast iteration beats long build cycles, and early customer feedback compounds into a defensible data advantage. Specialists win by moving first and learning fastest. [00:26:48] Specialize—Don’t Consolidate—in an Agent-Led Future Takeaway: In an AI ecosystem, the best tool wins—not the biggest one. Cooper expands on why consolidation fails in an agent-driven world. AI platforms like OpenAI rely on specialist tools through integrations rather than attempting domain mastery themselves. That means businesses should obsess over doing one thing exceptionally well instead of expanding into adjacent features. Broad platforms become mediocre; specialists become indispensable. The winners are the teams that dominate a narrow use case, collect the most relevant data, and become the default choice when AI agents delegate work. Episode Resources: Shumel Lais on LinkedInJason White on LinkedInRobert Armstrong on LinkedInPatrick Wesonga on LinkedInMick Rigby on LinkedInLindiwe Stenberg on LinkedInCooper Simpson on LinkedInAmanda Vandiver on LinkedInAdam Landis on LinkedInBranch on LinkedInBranch WebsiteHow I Grew This on Apple PodcastsHow I Grew This on SpotifyHow I Grew This on Simplecast

    29 min

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Dive into the dynamic world of digital marketing with Amanda Vandiver and Adam Landis in “How I Grew This,” where we invite leaders in the space to explore how they overcome industry challenges to achieve growth. Expect insightful conversations that uncover the secrets of our guest’s success in the ever-evolving landscape of digital marketing.