Saving Bread

Allison

Saving Bread explores sourdough, grain, fermentation, craftsmanship, and the people keeping real bread alive. Join baker and educator Allison White for practical lessons and thoughtful conversations with bakers, millers, farmers, oven makers, and others shaping the future of bread. Long live real bread.

  1. 4 days ago

    Interviews E06 Parker Cook of Basil & Bloom: Becoming a Better Baker, Building Trust and Learning Sourdough

    Send us a question or voice memo! This week on Saving Bread, Allison talks with Parker Cook, baker, educator and content creator behind Basil & Bloom. Parker has built a large online community teaching sourdough bread baking, fermentation, starter maintenance, whole grains, freshly milled flour and microbakery production. But there is already a lot of information online about how Parker makes bread. This conversation looks more at the person behind that information. Parker shares how he went from learning to cook while living in Italy to working as a research and development chef, and how that analytical background shaped the way he approaches sourdough today. They talk about how Parker actually learns a new technique, why he tests ideas repeatedly and side by side, the importance of building experience through repetition, and why becoming a better baker may be as much about becoming a better observer as it is about collecting more information. Parker and Allison also get into what makes an online educator trustworthy. Parker talks about creating content from real questions within his community, simplifying complicated baking concepts without losing the useful information, and the responsibility that comes with recommending products to a large audience. The conversation also covers beginner sourdough mistakes, bulk fermentation, sourdough starter maintenance, stiff starters, freshly milled flour, whole grain baking, microbakery systems, content creation, entrepreneurship and building Basil & Bloom alongside Parker's wife and business partner, Camille. They finish by talking about being open to different approaches to bread and Parker's belief that there are no strict rules in sourdough, only techniques that help you make the bread you want to make. FOLLOW AND SUPPORT PARKER Basil & Bloom Basil & Bloom website Instagram Follow @eatbasilandbloom on Instagram School of Sourdough and online baking courses Explore Parker's sourdough courses Whole grain, freshly milled flour and additional courses Basil & Bloom course library Parker's Picks and affiliate links Shop Parker's recommended baking tools and products If you enjoy Parker's free educational content and purchase a product he recommends, using his affiliate links is one way to directly support Basil & Bloom. If you enjoyed this episode, follow Saving Bread, leave a rating or review and share the episode with another baker. Long live real bread.

    Interviews E06 Parker Cook of Basil & Bloom: Becoming a Better Baker, Building Trust and Learning Sourdough
  2. 5 Aug

    Interviews E05 Inside Great Bakes with Martin Sorge: Local Grains, Rye and Midwest Baking

    Send us a question or voice memo! This week on Saving Bread, Allison talks with Martin Sorge, self taught baker, writer, winner of The Great American Baking Show and author of the new cookbook Great Bakes: Modern Classic Recipes from the Midwest. Martin has spent more than a decade baking with local flour, whole grains and unique grain varieties, and his approach makes experimenting with unfamiliar ingredients feel surprisingly approachable. In this conversation, Martin and Allison talk about why flour deserves the same attention we give local produce, cheese and other regional foods, and how getting to know the grain itself can completely change the way we bake. Martin shares one of his favorite ways to test a flour he has never used before: make a very simple shortbread and let the flavor of the grain speak for itself. They also get into rye bread and some of the misconceptions surrounding it. Martin explains why the flavor many Americans associate with rye is actually caraway, how rye dough behaves differently from wheat dough, why acidity and sourdough are so important in high percentage rye breads and why some traditional rye loaves are actually better when you wait until the next day to cut into them. The conversation also covers buckwheat, spelt, black emmer, soft honey emmer dinner rolls, local grain from Janie’s Mill, German bread culture and Martin’s experience baking with Arnd Erbel in his centuries old bakery in Dachsbach, Germany. Martin also shares what competing on The Great American Baking Show taught him about trusting simple flavors and his own point of view, why failed bakes are an important part of becoming a better baker and why he believes bread deserves to be brought back to the center of the table. Great Bakes: Modern Classic Recipes from the Midwest is available now and includes more than 100 sweet and savory recipes inspired by the ingredients, people and baking traditions of the Midwest. Follow Martin on Instagram: @martinsorge Martin Sorge: martinbakes.com Great Bakes: martinbakes.com/books Martin’s upcoming cookbook events and classes: martinbakes.com/events Janie’s Mill: janiesmill.com Arnd Erbel and Bäckerei Erbel in Dachsbach, Germany: arnderbel.de If you enjoyed this episode, follow Saving Bread and share it with another baker. Ratings, reviews and sharing the podcast are some of the best ways to help more people find these conversations. Long live real bread.

    Interviews E05 Inside Great Bakes with Martin Sorge: Local Grains, Rye and Midwest Baking
  3. 29 Jul

    Interviews E04 Stone Milled Flour and Whole Grain Sourdough with Baylin Speidel of Chimacum Valley Grainery

    Send us a question or voice memo! What changes when flour stops being the background of a loaf and becomes the whole party? In this episode of Saving Bread, Allison talks with baker and miller Baylin Speidel, head baker at Chimacum Valley Grainery in Chimacum, Washington. Chimacum Valley Grainery brings farming, stone milling, baking, malting, and brewing together on one property. Baylin shares how working this closely with grain transformed the way she understands flour, flavor, fermentation, and bread. Baylin walks us through what happens when a wheat berry passes through a stone mill and explains the meaning of extraction rate, high extraction flour, and one hundred percent whole grain flour. She also shares a practical and encouraging path for bakers who want to begin using more local and freshly milled grain without changing everything at once. You can begin with a familiar bread formula, replace five or twenty percent of the flour, observe what changes, and slowly build your confidence from there. For bakers ready to use larger percentages of whole grain flour, Baylin offers guidance on choosing a flour blend, increasing hydration, shortening mixing time, using an autolyse and bassinage, managing levain percentage, and paying attention to fermentation. She explains why whole grain dough often needs more water than expected, why fresh flour benefits from a gentler approach, and why the way a dough feels is often more important than the hydration number written on the formula. This conversation is also about the relationships behind a loaf of bread. Baylin and Allison discuss the importance of connecting bakers with farmers, millers, grain breeders, and other bakers. They explore how curiosity, communication, and community can help create a stronger and more resilient local grain economy. Whether you are curious about stone milled flour, beginning to experiment with whole grains, or already baking with one hundred percent extraction flour, this episode offers practical guidance and plenty of encouragement to keep learning. IN THIS EPISODE How stone milling works Stone milled flour compared with roller milled flour What extraction rate means High extraction flour and whole grain flour How to begin using local flour Starting with five or twenty percent whole grain Choosing strong and supporting grains for a flour blend Hydration for whole grain sourdough Autolyse and bassinage Mixing fresh milled flour with a gentler touch Using levain percentage to manage fermentation How dough temperature and dough mass affect fermentation Building relationships with local farmers and millers The farming, milling, baking, malting, and brewing model at Chimacum Valley Grainery LINKS AND RESOURCES Chimacum Valley Grainery https://chimacumgrain.com Order stone milled flour and Grainery goods https://chimacumgrain.com/store Chimacum Valley Grainery workshops https://chimacumgrain.com/workshops Follow Chimacum Valley Grainery on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/chimacumgrain Follow Baylin on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thedustedstone

    Interviews E04 Stone Milled Flour and Whole Grain Sourdough with Baylin Speidel of Chimacum Valley Grainery
  4. 22 Jul

    Lessons E04 How to Make a Sourdough Country Loaf from Start to Finish

    Send us a question or voice memo! In Lessons Episode 4, we take the country dough formula we created in our Baker’s Math episode and finally turn it into a loaf of bread. I’ll walk you through the entire process, beginning with the night-before levain build and continuing through the autolyse, mixing, gluten development, bulk fermentation, folds, pre-shaping, final shaping, basket proof, cold retard, scoring, baking, cooling, and evaluating the finished loaf. Along the way, we’ll cover:  How to recognize when your levain is ripe and ready  What an autolyse does—and when it may be helpful  Mechanical mixing and the windowpane test  How to reach a Desired Dough Temperature of 78°F  Stretch and folds versus coil folds  How to measure percent rise during bulk fermentation  The signs of under-fermented, properly fermented, and over-fermented dough  Pre-shaping, bench rest, and final shaping  Choosing the right banneton  The room-temperature basket rise before refrigeration  Covering your dough during an overnight cold retard  Scoring and baking in a Dutch oven  How to evaluate the crust and crumb after baking Most importantly, we spend time answering one of the most difficult questions in bread baking: How do I know when bulk fermentation is finished? There is no single bubble, jiggle, percentage, or number on the clock that can answer that question by itself. Instead, we’ll learn how to look for several signals that begin telling the same story: the dough has developed enough gas to feel light and alive, while retaining enough strength to be shaped into a loaf. This is not intended to be a strict bake-along. Listen through the episode once before beginning, then return to individual sections as you work through your own loaf. Your dough may move faster or slower than mine. The goal is not to force it to follow my schedule, it is to understand what you are trying to accomplish during every stage. If sourdough starter maintenance, levain building, or baker’s math still feels unfamiliar, begin with Lessons Episodes 1–3 and then return to this episode. Next time, we’ll use what we learn from this bake to begin troubleshooting under-proofing, over-proofing, weak dough, dense crumb, scoring problems, dark bottoms, and more. Happy baking, and long live real bread. Formula for the Show Notes Levain Build  10 g ripe starter  25 g bread flour  25 g whole wheat flour  50 g water Total levain: 110 g Use 100 g in the final dough. Final Dough  375 g bread flour  75 g whole wheat flour  325 g water  100 g ripe levain  10 g salt Approximate total dough weight: 885 g Total Formula  500 g total flour  20% whole wheat flour  75% hydration  10% pre-fermented flour  2% salt  Links and Mentions Follow Saving Bread on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/savingbreadpodcast/ Listen to or review Saving Bread on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/saving-bread/id1896790106  The Perfect Loaf: Complete Bread-Shaping Guide https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/shaping-bread-dough/  The Perfect Loaf: How to Shape a Batard https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/shaping-a-batard/  Rosehill Sourdough: The BreadMat https://rosehillsourdough.com/product/the-breadmat/  Rosehill Sourdough: Oven Gloves https://rosehillsourdough.com/product/gloves/  Music by Joshua from DOPE

    Lessons E04 How to Make a Sourdough Country Loaf from Start to Finish
  5. 22 Jul

    Rabbit Hole E02 Pineapple Sourdough Starters, Beloved’s Bakery & Meaningful Inclusions

    Send us a question or voice memo! Ally and Leah are back down the Rabbit Hole for a casual conversation about sourdough experiments, bakery field trips, and the stories we tell through bread. Inspired by Sourdough Culture by Eric Pallant, Leah creates a sourdough starter from scratch for the first time—funky smells, mysterious liquid, daily feedings and all. Meanwhile, Ally compares a traditional flour-and-water starter with one made using pineapple juice. They discuss false rises, acidity, starter pH, unpleasant early-stage bacteria and whether the pineapple juice method actually makes creating a starter easier. Then they recap their visit to Beloved’s Bakery & Café in Reno, Nevada, where they sampled sourdough bread, bialys, pretzels and an impressive assortment of laminated pastries. Finally, they go deep on inclusions in bread. Are jalapeño cheddar and cranberry walnut loaves simply delicious products that customers love—or can inclusions become something more? Ally and Leah explore how local, seasonal and culturally meaningful ingredients can help bakers differentiate their work, celebrate their communities and turn a loaf of bread into a story. This episode is an invitation to experiment, stay curious and consider not only what goes into your bread, but why it belongs there. LINKS & MENTIONS Sourdough Culture by Eric Pallant https://www.ericpallant.com/book/sourdough-culture/ Debra Wink’s Pineapple Juice Solution — Part One https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/10856/pineapple-juice-solution-part-1 Debra Wink’s Pineapple Juice Solution — Part Two https://www.thefreshloaf.com/10901/pineapple-juice-solution-part-2 Kathryn Shields — Amore Fermentum Instagram: @amore_fermentum https://www.instagram.com/amore_fermentum/ Laila — The Early Rise Instagram: @theearlyrisebaker https://www.instagram.com/theearlyrisebaker/ Alexandra Allen — Wild Woman Bakery Instagram: @wildwomanbakery https://www.instagram.com/wildwomanbakery/ Beloved’s Bakery & Café 299 E Plumb Lane, Suite 129 Reno, Nevada https://www.belovedsbread.com/ Instagram: @belovedsbread https://www.instagram.com/belovedsbread/ Love, Yvonne Cakes Instagram: @love.yvonne https://www.instagram.com/_love.yvonne_/ Graison Gill Instagram: @graisongill https://www.instagram.com/graisongill/ Sarah Owens Instagram: @sarah_c_owens https://www.instagram.com/sarah_c_owens/ Music by Joshua from DOPE.

    Rabbit Hole E02 Pineapple Sourdough Starters, Beloved’s Bakery & Meaningful Inclusions
  6. 15 Jul

    Interviews E03 Campbell McFarlane - Building RackMaster and Supporting a New Generation of Bakers

    Send us a question or voice memo! What began as Campbell McFarlane’s own obsession with sourdough eventually became RackMaster- an oven designed to give home, cottage, and small-scale bakers access to thoughtfully engineered equipment without requiring a traditional bakery. In this episode, Campbell shares how he moved from baking in Dutch ovens and a small deck oven to designing one of the most recognizable ovens in the cottage-baking world. We talk about the very real learning curve that comes with moving into open deck baking, why a great oven cannot disguise poorly fermented dough, and what bakers should expect when increasing their production. We also explore the remarkable community that has grown around RackMaster. Campbell is known not only for making equipment, but for freely sharing his knowledge, answering questions at nearly any hour, delivering ovens to extraordinarily remote places, and helping bakers become the best they can be. In this conversation:  How Campbell first became hooked on sourdough  The experiences that inspired him to develop the RackMaster oven  Why switching from Dutch ovens to deck baking requires bakers to reassess their dough  Steam, oven loading, and learning to work with a new baking environment  The many products bakers make in RackMaster ovens beyond bread  How the ovens have helped cottage bakers increase production and build businesses  Campbell’s belief in sharing knowledge without gatekeeping  The worldwide community of bakers supporting one another  Why Campbell considers himself available approximately “18/7” This is a conversation about ovens, but even more than that, it is about giving bakers the tools, encouragement, and access they need to keep the craft of real bread moving forward. Find Campbell: Instagram: @campbell2664 Outside North America: rackmaster.co.uk North American availability: Pleasant Hill Grain

    Interviews E03 Campbell McFarlane - Building RackMaster and Supporting a New Generation of Bakers
  7. 8 Jul

    Lessons E03 Baker's Math Made Simple | Understanding Hydration, Levain & Bread Formulas

    Send us a question or voice memo! Baker's math doesn't have to be intimidating. In this episode, we're breaking down one of the most misunderstood topics in bread baking into something practical and approachable. We'll walk through baker's percentages, hydration, total formula, mixing-day formula, and pre-fermented flour (PFF)—without getting lost in complicated equations. Together, we'll build a simple country bread formula step by step, learn how to account for the flour and water in your levain, and scale that recipe into a home-sized loaf you can bake right alongside future episodes. Whether you've always been confused by percentages or you've been baking for years and want a stronger foundation, this episode will help you read formulas with confidence and understand the language professional bakers use every day. In this episode we discuss:  What baker's percentages actually mean  Why flour is always 100%  Total hydration vs. mixing-day hydration  Total formula vs. mixing-day formula  How to account for the flour and water in your levain  Understanding pre-fermented flour (PFF)  Scaling a formula for home baking  Answering listener questions on levain, inclusions, and dough weightBaker's Math Resources:  DOAP Calc - https://calc.getdoap.com/ The Perfect Loaf Membership - https://www.theperfectloaf.com/membership/?utm_source=tpl-internal&utm_content=site-header

    Lessons E03 Baker's Math Made Simple | Understanding Hydration, Levain & Bread Formulas

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Saving Bread explores sourdough, grain, fermentation, craftsmanship, and the people keeping real bread alive. Join baker and educator Allison White for practical lessons and thoughtful conversations with bakers, millers, farmers, oven makers, and others shaping the future of bread. Long live real bread.

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