What The Fire

What The Fire - Forensic Origin and Cause Investigations

The hangout for everyone who works around fire. Join our host, Vithyaa Thavapalan an international certified forensic fire investigator as we get into the world of fire. We trade scene stories, break down the how-did-that-happen bits, and spotlight the folks we team up with: investigators, engineers, adjusters, insurers, lawyers, other experts - expect the whole crew. Expect plain chats, practical takeaways, and a few laughs along the way. It’s candid, useful, and a little smoky, just like the job. Grab a coffee, pop on your headphones, and come behind the tape with us.

  1. Prevention vs Box Ticking: Fire Suppression and the Real Risk Control with Vince Atkinson

    22 APR

    Prevention vs Box Ticking: Fire Suppression and the Real Risk Control with Vince Atkinson

    In Episode 12 of What The Fire, we sit down with Vince Atkinson to unpack what fire suppression really means in high-risk environments, particularly the mining and heavy equipment space. Vince shares a practical, outcomes-driven approach to fire risk: understanding where ignition is most likely to occur, prioritising preventative controls, and using suppression as a mitigating measure to reduce consequences when risk remains. We also explore what’s changing globally in the fire suppression market , from procurement pressures and “box-ticking” approaches, to the industry-wide transition away from AFFF foams toward fluorine-free alternatives (F3). Vince explains why education and post-incident learning are essential for improving real-world performance, and why emerging technologies like battery electric equipment are forcing the sector to play catch-up with new fire risks. Whether you work in mining, safety leadership, procurement, insurance, or investigation, this episode is a grounded look at what good fire protection should actually deliver. What fire suppression is and why suppression isn’t the same as extinguishmentHow fire risk assessments should drive system selection and designCommon suppression agents used globally (and where they’re typically applied)The shift from AFFF to fluorine-free foams (F3) and why it mattersHow procurement decisions can compromise safety outcomesWhy education, commissioning, and ongoing support are non-negotiableThe value of post-incident analysis to improve future outcomesThe growing challenge of electric and low-emission equipment fires“Education is key in fire suppression.”“Find something you love doing.”fire suppression, fire safety, mining industry, fire risk assessment, fire protection systems, AFFF, F3 foams, procurement challenges, electric vehicles, industry trends Vince Atkinson LinkedIn Forensic Origin and Cause Investigations, LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok Vithyaa Thavapalan LinkedIn

    53 min
  2. The Biggest Mistakes In Fire Investigation: An Insights Episode

    14 APR

    The Biggest Mistakes In Fire Investigation: An Insights Episode

    This episode is a little different. It is a solo episode, with Vithyaa unpacking one of the most important topics in the field: the biggest mistakes made in fire investigations. Drawing on her experience across complex losses, Vithyaa shares the common pitfalls that can weaken an investigation, from reaching conclusions too early to misunderstanding fire patterns, overlooking key evidence, and using language with more certainty than the facts support. This episode is a practical discussion on why thoroughness, discipline, and staying current matter so much in origin and cause work. Whether you are a fire investigator, insurer, lawyer, or someone involved in fire claims, this episode offers valuable insight into how investigations can go wrong and what good practice really looks like. In this episode, Vithyaa covers: Reaching conclusions too earlyWhy scene appearance can be misleadingThe importance of strong documentationTesting hypotheses properlyMisunderstanding fire patternsKnowing what you are actually looking atElectrical systems and fire-caused damage vs cause-related damageThe role of witness information, timelines, and other external dataUsing careful language in reportingRecognising the limitations of an investigationWhy staying current in the field mattersSound bites:“Don’t jump to conclusions too early.”“Scene appearance can be misleading.”“Know what you’re actually looking at.” Forensic Origin and Cause Investigations Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, LinkedIn Vithyaa Thavapalan LinkedIn

    12 min
  3. Training, Standards and the Truth: 44 Years and the Future of Investigation

    7 APR

    Training, Standards and the Truth: 44 Years and the Future of Investigation

    Jim Kanavy, a fire investigator, instructor and long-time leader in the fire investigation profession with more than 44 years in the fire service. Jim shares how he started as a junior firefighter in Pennsylvania at just 14 years old, built a career across public and private fire investigation, worked with accelerant detection canines for more than two decades, and became deeply involved in training, standards and professional development through the IAAI, NAFI and NFPA. We talk about how fire investigation has changed over the years, from older indicators and outdated beliefs to the increased use of science, the impact of NFPA 921 and 1033, and the importance of keeping up with new challenges like EV fires. We also get into some of the bigger issues facing the profession: The gap between classroom learning and real-world experienceWhy younger investigators need more access, mentoring and opportunityThe cost of training and conferencesThe need for stronger chapter engagement and better communicationAnd why member voices matter when it comes to voting and shaping the future of organisations like the IAAIThis is a candid conversation about experience, service, leadership and the importance of passing knowledge on. Jim Kanavy LinkedIn, Email jmka255@uky.edu Forensic Origin and Cause Investigations Website What The Fire LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook Vithyaa Thavapalan LinkedIn

    43 min
  4. Where Fire Meets Engineering with Doron Levy: Exploring the Overlap between Fire Engineering and Fire Investigation

    30 MAR

    Where Fire Meets Engineering with Doron Levy: Exploring the Overlap between Fire Engineering and Fire Investigation

    Title: From Engineering to Investigation: The Journey of Doron Levy and Fahrenheit Global Introduction: In the dynamic world of fire safety, few professionals bridge the gap between engineering and investigation like Doron Levy, the founder of Fahrenheit Global. In a recent episode of the podcast "What the Fire," Levy shares his inspiring journey from structural engineering to the intricacies of fire investigation, shedding light on the importance of both disciplines in ensuring safety and preventing future incidents. The Path to Fire Engineering and Investigation: Doron Levy's journey began in 2008 when he completed a structural engineering course at the University of Tel Aviv. Initially, he found himself unfulfilled in traditional structural engineering roles and sought a more engaging path. This led him to a fire engineering company where, on his first day, he attended a fire investigation at a vodka distillery that had burned down. Captivated by the complexities of fire investigation, Levy decided to delve deeper into the field. He pursued a master’s degree in fire engineering and later in fire investigation, recognizing a gap in Australia’s private sector fire investigation landscape. Levy believed that understanding both sides of fire safety would not only enhance his career but also bolster his business, Fahrenheit Global, which he started amidst the global financial crisis. Building Fahrenheit Global: Founded in 2008, Fahrenheit Global initially operated from Levy's sunroom. Despite the challenging economic climate, the business grew rapidly, securing clients like New South Wales Health. Over the years, the company expanded its team and services, now employing ten engineers and offering both fire engineering and investigation services. Levy highlighted two major projects that shaped the company's trajectory: the COVID hospital in Canberra, completed in just eight weeks, and the largest abattoir in Australia in Curamundra. Both projects received awards and demonstrated the critical role of fire safety in large-scale operations. Understanding Fire Engineering and Investigation: Levy articulates the distinct roles of fire engineers and fire investigators. Fire engineers design systems to prevent fires, such as sprinkler systems in commercial buildings. In contrast, fire investigators analyze the causes and effects of fires post-incident. This dual expertise allows Levy and his team to assess not just the fire's origin but also the effectiveness of the fire safety systems in place. The Importance of Maintenance and Compliance: According to Levy, Australia boasts a 99.9% success rate for sprinkler systems due to stringent maintenance protocols. However, human error, such as accidentally turning off systems during maintenance, poses significant risks. He emphasizes the necessity for designers and contractors to understand the implications of their work, as failures can lead to devastating consequences. Levy believes that while it’s not essential for all fire engineers to become investigators, exposure to real-world fire scenarios can enhance their understanding and design capabilities. Educating engineers about fire dynamics and safety systems informs more effective designs and ultimately contributes to public safety. Conclusion: Doron Levy's journey from structural engineering to fire investigation showcases the vital intersection of these fields in promoting safety and preventing tragedies. His company, Fahrenheit Global, exemplifies how a commitment to excellence and continuous learning can lead to success in the fire safety domain. As industries evolve, it remains crucial for professionals to recognize the impact of their designs and decisions on public safety. Doron Levy LinkedIn Fahrenheit Global Website What The Fire Blog and Forensic Origin and Cause Investigations Vithyaa Thavapalan LinkedIn

    43 min
  5. Forensic Engineer to Insurance: Bridging the Gap Between Evidence and Claims

    12 MAR

    Forensic Engineer to Insurance: Bridging the Gap Between Evidence and Claims

    In this episode, we sit down with Sujen, Head of Non-Motor Claims at Zurich Insurance Malaysia, whose career journey spans marine engineering, construction, forensic investigations, and now senior leadership in the insurance sector. Sujen began his career at sea as a marine engineer before transitioning into construction engineering and later forensic engineering, where he investigated complex fire, explosion, and machinery failure cases across the region. But the pivotal moment came when he made the move into insurance. Now overseeing major claims, Sujen offers a rare perspective from both sides of the table , the technical investigation side and the claims decision-making side. In this conversation, we explore: What drives a career transition from forensics into insurance The evolving role of investigations within the insurance sector The growing complexity of modern losses How forensic findings truly influence claims outcomes The importance of clear communication in high-stakes environments Preparing reports with litigation in mind This episode is essential listening for investigators, engineers, claims professionals, and anyone working at the intersection of risk and responsibility. Links: Sujen Gannetion Linkedin Forensic Document Examiner What The Fire Instagram Facebook LinkedIn Forensic Origin and Cause Investigations Vithyaa Thavapalan LinkedIn

    49 min
  6. Decoding Fire Behaviour with a Legend: Myths, Arson and Junk Science

    2 FEB

    Decoding Fire Behaviour with a Legend: Myths, Arson and Junk Science

    In this episode of What the Fire, we sit down with legendary fire investigator and forensic scientist John Lentini to unpack how our understanding of fire behaviour has changed and why so many investigation reports still get it wrong. John explains why “if you’re not a scientist, what are you doing in my profession?” isn’t just a sound bite, it’s a standard. We talk about: Why fire usually burns up and out, not down How low burning and “suspicious” patterns are often misread The overuse (and misuse) of liquid accelerant conclusions How junk science and bad assumptions have fuelled wrongful arson findings What it really means to think like a scientist in fire investigation, even without a science degree Whether you’re writing reports, reviewing them, or trying to lift the standard of care in your organisation, this conversation will challenge the way you look at fire scenes and documentation. If you find this episode valuable, please follow the show, rate the podcast, and leave a review with your feedback – it helps more people in the fire and forensic community discover What the Fire. Keywords: fire investigation, fire behaviour, accelerants, fire reports, forensic science John Lentini LinkedIn What the Fire Instagram What the Fire LinkedIn Forensic Origin and Cause Investigations Host: Vithyaa Thavapalan LinkedIn

    39 min
  7. The Builder’s Seat at the Table: Fire and Rebuilding After Loss

    21 JAN

    The Builder’s Seat at the Table: Fire and Rebuilding After Loss

    In this episode of What The Fire, we sit down with Frank Mamasioulas, Managing Director of Riverwall Constructions, to explore what 40 years in business, and nearly 30 years on the tools and in leadership – have taught him about communication, responsibility and showing up for people on their worst days. Frank shares how Riverwall has evolved from a handwritten, family-run operation into a corporate construction and insurance-repair business, and why personal interaction still matters more than ever in a technology-driven world. From picking up the phone instead of sending another email, to reading someone’s tone and emotion in real time, he explains how simple communication habits can resolve issues faster, build trust and strengthen collaboration across insurers, builders, consultants and clients. We also talk about working on fire and fatality scenes, the role builders play alongside fire investigators and first responders, and how empathy, structure and clear reporting lines help teams navigate high-pressure, emotional environments. Frank reflects on learning from older generations, asking questions, sitting next to experienced people, and why collaboration is essential for both personal and professional growth. If you work in construction, insurance, fire investigation, restoration or any field where people and pressure collide, this conversation is for you. If you enjoy this episode, follow What The Fire on your favourite podcast app and leave a rating and review so more people in our industry can find the show. https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-mamasioulas-96936b25/ https://riverwall.com.au/

    36 min
  8. Navigating the Forensic Landscape in Insurance with Dr Sophie Parsons & Kirit Kumar

    12 JAN

    Navigating the Forensic Landscape in Insurance with Dr Sophie Parsons & Kirit Kumar

    In this episode of the What The Fire Podcast, host Vithyaa is joined by forensic experts Sophie Parsons and Kirit Kumar for a candid conversation about the realities of modern forensic engineering and disaster response. Drawing on decades of experience across Asia, the UK, and beyond, Sophie and Kirit discuss how recent disasters, including major flooding events, are increasing the demand for forensic services and reshaping how investigations are carried out. They explore the challenges of evidence collection in complex post-disaster environments, where multiple parties are often working on site at the same time, and why getting there quickly can make all the difference. The conversation also looks at the growing role of technology and artificial intelligence in forensic investigations, from decision making to report writing, and how these tools are beginning to change the profession. Alongside this, the episode highlights the importance of clear communication in managing client expectations, particularly in an era where rapid answers are often expected. Sophie and Kirit share insights on professional development, the value of industry conferences and mentorship, and why understanding building codes and safety regulations is critical for effective forensic work. They also reflect on how the forensic field is evolving to meet modern challenges, and what the next generation of professionals should be preparing for. This episode offers an honest, behind-the-scenes look at how forensic experts really talk shop, combining technical insight with practical experience from the field.

    56 min
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The hangout for everyone who works around fire. Join our host, Vithyaa Thavapalan an international certified forensic fire investigator as we get into the world of fire. We trade scene stories, break down the how-did-that-happen bits, and spotlight the folks we team up with: investigators, engineers, adjusters, insurers, lawyers, other experts - expect the whole crew. Expect plain chats, practical takeaways, and a few laughs along the way. It’s candid, useful, and a little smoky, just like the job. Grab a coffee, pop on your headphones, and come behind the tape with us.

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    What The Fire - Forensic Origin and Cause Investigations
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    13
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