大家好，欢迎来到海底菠萝！ 这里是沸今和树荫儿共同制作的一档播客，每期节目中我们都会分享一本书籍，并围绕它展开一系列讨论。 本期讨论的书籍是爱尔兰作家萨莉·鲁尼于2018年出版的长篇小说《正常人》。这部小说被认为是萨莉·鲁尼的代表作之一，曾入选《卫报》“21世纪100部最佳图书”榜单。在节目中，我们从玛丽安和康奈尔两位主人公的所处的时空背景切入，展开讨论了“社会隔离（阶级）”、“亲密关系的基础和现代性特征”等话题。在主线故事之外，我们也分析了鲁尼采用的“内聚焦视角”及其文字风格对于读者阅读氛围的塑造作用。 00:20 欢迎来到“悲伤女孩俱乐部”，给中国人一些青春疼痛文学的小小震撼。 04:30 2011-2015：从虚拟故乡到都柏林。 11:25 挑战社会隔离：“城堡公主”玛丽安与“好同志”康奈尔，原生家庭对人的行为模式影响到底有多大？ 33:24 从一句“how are you”开始，亲密关系的基础是隐私还是关心？（五雷轰顶，怎样才算是真正的关心？！感同身受真的可能吗？！） 45:39 “同学你是不是东北人！！！”树荫儿和沸今的友情从一句飞跃草坪的呐喊开始。 49:50 现代爱情中的向内审视：我们总是在亲密关系中发现差异，确认自我（恨不得给玛丽安和康奈尔多安上两张嘴！）。 60:00 一些磕到的瞬间，甜甜甜甜甜甜！ 64:36 亲密关系不止爱情一种，为啥我们认识陌生人的时候都有发展浪漫关系的预设？ 69:04 出乎意料的happy ending，成长中的“蓝色大门”时刻。 77:55 内聚焦视角（close third point of view）：在玛丽安和康奈尔之间反复横跳的读者的一生 83:47 现代版鸿雁传书，e-mail书写的爱情故事 87:36 没有引号！没有副词！字字珠玑！打破文字规范营造的人物距离与阅读氛围（萨莉·鲁尼我的神）。 93:40 请书写我们吧！书写我们行进着的青春。 节目中提到的一些语句与拓展 1. 对玛丽安形象的描写： Marianne, he said. He said this aloud without thinking about it. She looked up and saw him them. Her face was like a small white flower. She put her arms around his neck, and he held her tightly. He could smell the inside of her house on her clothes. The last time he'd seen her, everything had been normal. Rob was still alive then, Connell could have sent him a message or even called him and talked to him on the phone, it was possible then, it had been possible. 2. 康奈尔与玛丽安对彼此差异的感知 康奈尔：Being alone with her is like opening a door away from normal life and then closing it behind him. He’s not frightened of her, actually she’s a pretty relaxed person, but he fears being around her, because of the confusing way he finds himself behaving, the things he says that he would never ordinarily say. 玛丽安：If she was different with Connell, the difference was not happening inside herself, in her personhood, but in between them, in the dynamic. 3. 玛丽安与康奈尔的甜蜜互动 （1）两位花滑选手的默契配合 “The conversations that follow are gratifying for Connell, often taking unexpected turns and prompting him to express ideas he had never consciously formulated before. They talk about the novels he’s reading, the research she studies, the precise historical moment that they are currently living in, the difficulty of observing such a moment in process. At times he has the sensation that he and Marianne are like figure-skaters, improvising their discussions so adeptly and in such perfect synchronisation that it surprises them both. She tosses herself gracefully into the air, and each time, without knowing how he’s going to do it, he catches her.” （2）“通常见到你的时候，我的瞳孔都会放大” “Well, I haven’t been home since the exams. I don’t know, do I still have pupils? She looks in his eyes, where his pupils are swollen to round black bullets. Yes, she says. They’re huge. He strokes her hand again and says more quietly: Oh well. They get like that when I see you anyway. She laughs, shaking her head.” （3）“我想我对你无所不知” “I never know with you. He shakes his head, drinks another mouthful of coffee, swallows. Yes you do, he says. You like to think of people as mysterious, but I’m really not a mysterious person. She considers this while he finishes his cup of coffee. I guess everyone is a mystery in a way, she says. I mean, you can never really know another person, and so on. Yeah. Do you actually think that, though? It’s what people say. What do I not know about you? he says. Marianne smiles, yawns, lifts her hands in a shrug. People are a lot more knowable than they think they are, he adds.” 4.《正常人》中的“蓝色大门”时刻 （1）《正常人》 - I just feel like I left Carricklea thinking I could have a different life, he says. But I hate it here, and now I can never go back there again. - He likes imagining Marianne older sometimes, with children. He imagines they’re all here in Italy together and she’s making a salad or something and complaining to Connell about her husband, who’s older, probably an intellectual, and Marianne find him dull. Why didn’t I marry you? she would say. He can see Marianne very clearly in this dream, he sees her face, and he feels that she has spent years as a journalist, maybe living in Lebanon. He doesn’t see himself so well or know what he’s been doing. But he knows what he would say to her. Money, he would say. And she would laugh without looking up from the salad. （2）《蓝色大门》 小士，看着你的花衬衫飘远，我在想：一年后，三年后，五年后，我们会变成什么样子呢？由于你善良、开朗又自在，你应该会更帅吧。于是我似乎看到多年以后，你站在一扇蓝色的大门前，下午三点的阳光，你仍有几颗青春痘，你笑着，我跑向你问你好不好。你点点头。三年五年以后，甚至更久更久以后，我们会变成什么样的大人呢？是体育老师，还是我妈？虽然我闭着眼睛，也看不见自己，但是我却可以看见你。 5. 拓展 （1）Daniel Sloss: Live Shows, P2 “Jigsaw” https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV12W411C7sp?p=2&vd_source=837582256207be99bb0c07660f387884 （2）沈奕斐公开课，《为什么关系越亲密，越不能容忍差异》 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qE411w7WU/?spm_id_from=333.880.my_history.page.click （3）王小波，李银河，《爱你就像爱生命》 （4）上野千鹤子、铃木凉美、曹逸冰［译］，《始于极限：女性主义往复书简》 （5）弗吉尼亚·伍尔夫，《一间自己的房间》（A Room of One’s Own）
