Going Deeper

Justine Cheri Ordway
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Gospel conversations that challenge cultural narratives—nothing is too taboo here. We bring wisdom, humility, and grace to topics like mental health, social media, money, spiritual disciplines, and more.

  1. 10月15日

    Aging Wisely in an Anti-Aging World with Jen Wilkin

    Our culture tells us that getting older means losing value, and that the goal is to fight it for as long as we can. Scripture tells a different story. In this episode, Jen Wilkin joins me to talk about her book Dust to Dust and what the Bible actually says about aging, our bodies, and death. We talk about the false stories we’ve absorbed about aging, including the idea that it means diminishment, the pull of anti-aging culture, and the lie of individualism. Jen shows why Scripture treats gray hair as a gift, not a loss. She also makes the case that the church is uniquely equipped to honor older believers, to walk with them to the end of life, and to bring the generations back together. Whether you’re watching your own face change in the mirror, caring for aging parents, or wondering where the older women are in your church, this conversation will give you a better story to live in. In this episode, we discuss: The biblical perspective on aging and deathThe false stories our culture tells about getting olderWhy intergenerational relationships matter so muchHow the church can serve and honor the elderlyThe purpose of the body, and of aging, in God’s planChapters 00:00 Introduction to Jen Wilkin and Dust to Dust 01:51 Biblical literacy and fluency 04:03 Cultural pressures on women about aging 06:06 A theology of aging and the body 07:23 How our culture’s handling of death and aging has shifted 11:09 Gray hair as a gift 12:59 The false narrative of aging as diminishment 16:02 Living in a false story and the lie of individualism 19:02 The value and wisdom of the elderly in Scripture 20:55 How Christians buy into anti-aging culture 22:54 Intergenerational ministry and mentorship 27:06 The humility of Christ and the example of service 30:01 The purpose of the body: serving others 32:57 False stories about beauty and sexuality 35:56 Medical aesthetics and the culture of youthfulness 38:56 Serving the elderly and end-of-life care in the church 43:04 Creating chances for the generations to connect 49:57 Facing death and grief with gratitude 54:59 Encouragement for younger women to learn from older generations 57:03 Closing thoughts and resources for further study Resources mentioned Dust to Dust by Jen Wilkin — https://amzn.to/4jivOiZ

  2. 9月29日

    Discipling a Generation Formed by Screens with Shane Pruitt & Shelly Melia

    The kids growing up today have never known a world without screens, algorithms, and endless scrolling. So how do we pass on a living faith to a generation being discipled by their devices? In this conversation, Shane Pruitt and Shelly Melia unpack the unique challenges and surprising opportunities of reaching Generation Alpha. They look at how technology is quietly shaping this generation's worldview, why relationships will always outpace programs, and what churches, parents, and grandparents can do right now to make a lasting spiritual impact. They also tackle hard realities, including early exposure to pornography, with honesty and hope. In this episode, you'll learn: How social media and the digital ecosystem are forming Gen Alpha's beliefs and identityWhy relationships, not technology, are the heart of real discipleshipPractical strategies churches can use to engage kids and teens todayThe irreplaceable role parents and grandparents play in spiritual formationWhy intergenerational ministry matters more than everHow to respond proactively to early exposure to digital content and pornographyWhat it looks like to model authentic, humble faith in front of the next generationWhy the gospel remains the ultimate hope for this generationShane Pruitt is the National Next Gen Director for the North American Mission Board (NAMB). He has spent more than twenty years in ministry as a church planter, lead pastor, and student pastor, and speaks to thousands of students every year as a traveling evangelist and Bible teacher. Dr. Shelly Melia is Associate Dean of the Graduate School of Ministry at Dallas Baptist University, where she directs the Master of Arts programs in Children's Ministry and Family Ministry. She brings 25+ years of children's and family ministry experience and is also a Licensed Professional Counselor. Get the Book Reaching Generation Alpha: A Ministry Guide for Discipling the Church Beyond the Screen (B&H Publishing, 2026) Amazon (paperback): https://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Generation-Alpha-Ministry-Discipling/dp/B0FQH9W4BH Connect with Shane Pruitt Website: https://shanepruitt.netInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/shane_pruitt78/X: https://x.com/shane_pruitt78Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ShanePruittTX/Connect with Dr. Shelly Melia DBU faculty page: https://www.dbu.edu/ministry/about/shelly-melia.html

  3. 9月17日

    How to be a Doer of the Word with Mikella Van Dyke

    What does it look like to move beyond simply consuming Scripture and actually let it shape the way we live? In this episode, Mikella Van Dyke shares practical ways to deepen your Bible study, build sustainable spiritual habits, and grow in faith through community. We talk about Scripture meditation, micro habits, intergenerational relationships, biblical literacy, and learning to approach spiritual disciplines with grace rather than guilt. In this episode: Moving from consuming Scripture to meditating on itBuilding sustainable Bible-study habitsUsing micro habits and everyday routinesGrowing through intergenerational communityThe impact of social media on biblical literacyPracticing spiritual disciplines without perfectionism or guiltChapters: 00:00 Introduction 04:03 The privilege of having the Bible in your language 08:00 Relational and community faith 12:02 Scripture beyond sound bites 15:46 Building sustainable habits 17:55 Intergenerational faith 20:05 Scripture in daily routines 28:04 Church community and spiritual growth 29:46 Grace over perfectionism 34:07 Micro habits 38:03 Praying for children and family 42:01 Community and accountability 46:05 Final thoughts

  4. 9月10日

    Empire vs. Kingdom: Would Jesus Be Building a Platform?

    We live in a world obsessed with platform—followers, reach, metrics, influence. But what if the way of Jesus runs in the exact opposite direction? In this solo episode, I dig into the tension between the world's way of empire and the countercultural way of God's kingdom. From the Tower of Babel to the temptation of Christ to the upside-down leadership of the cross, we'll trace what Scripture actually shows us about building something that lasts—and what it looks like for believers to navigate social media with humility, purpose, and integrity. If you've ever felt the pull to build your own name online, this one's a gut check and an invitation. In this episode: The temptation to build a platform—and why Satan's offer to Jesus still echoes todayHow social media metrics shape our hearts and our idea of influenceThe Tower of Babel as a picture of empire: making a name for ourselvesBuilding for self vs. building for the kingdomJesus' upside-down kingdom, where the way up is downThe cross as the ultimate act of sacrificial leadership—"the King of kings on the cross"How the early church influenced the world through humility and even persecutionJesus' surprising approach to crowds, platforms, rest, and relationshipPractical ways to live out kingdom values in a digital worldTimestamps: 00:00 — Introduction: the temptation of platform building02:15 — The influence of social media and its temptations11:26 — The Tower of Babel and the heart of empire16:14 — The contrast: building for self vs. building for the kingdom20:38 — Jesus' upside-down kingdom and humility26:28 — Jesus' sacrificial leadership and the cross30:23 — The early church's model of influence and persecution36:06 — Jesus' approach to platforms and crowds39:06 — The importance of rest and relationship in influence43:30 — Living out kingdom values in a digital world

  5. 9月3日

    When You Can’t Make Sense of God: Chad Bird Answers Bible Questions You're Afraid to Ask

    What do you do when God's justice, His love, or His goodness stops making sense? In this episode, biblical scholar Chad Bird joins me to talk honestly about wrestling with faith's hardest questions. Chad shares his own journey through failure and a dark night of the soul, and brings deep biblical insight to the tensions many of us are afraid to name—God's sovereignty over calamity, the nature of hell and divine justice, and what eternal life in Christ actually means. This is a rich, thoughtful conversation for anyone who has ever doubted and wondered whether their questions disqualify them. They don't. In this episode Chad answers:  1. Isaiah 45:7 says God “creates calamity.” What does that mean—and does it mean God creates moral evil? 2. “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated”—what does that mean? What did Esau do for God to hate him? 3. How should we understand the violence God commands or is directly associated with in the Old Testament—and what would you say to someone who says, “I can’t worship a God like that”? 4. Jesus said, “Ask and you will receive.” How do we reconcile that promise with the many sincere prayers that seem to go unanswered? 5. Why has the doctrine of hell become such a debated and touchy topic—and how should Christians approach questions like eternal conscious torment versus annihilation with both grace and truth? Timestamps: 00:00 — Introduction to Chad Bird and his journey11:34 — Chad's dark night of the soul23:54 — Exploring difficult biblical questions35:32 — Understanding God's nature and justice47:56 — The concept of hell and eternal life59:11 — Encouragement for the questioning believerResources & links: Chad Bird's website — https://chadbird.com1517 — https://fifteenseventeen.orgInstagram — https://instagram.com/chadbirdTwitter/X — https://twitter.com/chadbird

  6. 8月25日

    How to Become a Morning Person Like Jesus (It's Not What You Think)

    What if your mornings could be sacred instead of stressful—no matter whether you're a natural early riser or someone who dreads the alarm? In this episode, author Jennifer Dukes Lee joins me to reframe the whole idea of the "morning person." We dig into why God Himself is a morning person, what Scripture actually says about the significance of mornings, and how to start your day with Him in a way that fits your real personality, season, and chronotype. Jennifer brings both biblical depth and grounded practicality—covering sleep, rest, negative self-talk, small rituals, and how to keep showing up in the hard seasons of grief and darkness. If mornings have felt like something you're always failing at, this conversation is an invitation to begin again. In this episode: Why "you're a morning person because God is a morning person"—and what being made in His image has to do with your alarm clockWhat Scripture reveals about the significance and grittiness of biblical morningsReframing what "morning person" even means, beyond the 5 a.m. idealThe foundational role of sleep and rest in a good morningHow family upbringing and cultural narratives (and social media) shape how we see morningsUnderstanding your morning archetype and embracing your God-given personalityNavigating grief, mourning, and dark seasons without abandoning your routineWhy we shouldn't leave God in the quiet time—but carry Him through the whole daySimple, realistic steps to build a morning rhythm you can actually keepTimestamps: 00:00 — Introduction and morning struggles 02:53 — The importance of mornings in Scripture 06:09 — Reframing the concept of "morning person" 08:56 — The role of sleep in morning success 11:47 — Family influence on morning routines 14:55 — Cultural narratives and social media influence 18:14 — Practical steps to improve mornings 20:57 — The gritty reality of biblical mornings 23:57 — Finding hope in the morning 33:32 — Morning struggles and expectations 33:55 — Understanding morning archetypes 43:03 — Navigating grief and mourning 49:22 — Finding God in dark seasons 56:14 — Creating meaningful morning rituals Links: How to Love Your Morning by Jennifer Dukes Lee — https://howtoloveyourmorning.com Jennifer's website — https://jenniferdukeslee.com Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/jenniferdukeslee/ Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/jenniferdukeslee

  7. 8月18日

    How to Fall In Love with Scripture: Bible Study Secrets with Bethany Lauren

    If you've ever wanted to know God more deeply but struggled to stay consistent in His Word, this conversation is for you. I sit down with Bible teacher Bethany Lauren (Simply Bible on Instagram)—pastor's wife, mom of two, and classical high school literature and philosophy teacher—to talk about why Bible study matters, the mistakes that keep us stuck, and simple, practical ways to make Scripture a real part of daily life. Bethany shares her own story of coming to the Word as a grieving seven-year-old who lost her mom, and how a leather-bound Bible from her grandparents became her lifeline. We get honest about distraction, the tension between the intellect and the heart, and why no amount of Christian content can replace time alone with Jesus in the "prayer closet." Follow Bethany: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/simply_bible/ Substack: https://substack.com/@simplybible/ Join her book club here.  In this episode: Bethany's story: finding God in the Word after lossThe two biggest distractions from Bible study—phone addiction and the to-do list—and how to fight them"Bible first, work second": protecting time in the Word when ministry is your jobWhy enjoying Scripture matters more than performing it, and how to romanticize your time in the WordReading fluency, easier translations, and letting go of the shame around bothThe two big Bible study mistakes: cherry-picking verses vs. worshiping perfect interpretationWhy loving the Bible isn't the same as knowing Christ—and the danger of "outsourced discipleship"Holding intellect and heart together without losing eitherFaith as a community project: why the quiet time should propel us outwardA simple three-stage framework for overwhelmed readersChapters 00:00 Introduction to Bible study and its significance 02:12 Bethany's personal journey and passion for scripture 06:47 Common distractions and how to overcome them 14:49 Different approaches to engaging with the Bible 20:07 The importance of reading the Bible as a letter or novel 24:58 Practical tips for starting and maintaining Bible study 30:13 Avoiding cherry-picking verses and misinterpretation 35:04 The role of grace and humility in Bible study 40:13 The importance of community and sharing faith experiences 44:57 Practical steps for creating a dedicated space for prayer and study 50:05 The balance between study, prayer, and service 54:47 Encouragement for those feeling overwhelmed or distracted 01:00:04 The significance of grace and God's faithfulness in our journey

  8. 8月11日

    Does God Care How Productive You Are? with Reagan Rose

    What if productivity isn't about doing more, but about stewarding your life for God's glory? In this episode, Reagan Rose (founder of Redeeming Productivity) joins me to unpack what the Bible actually says about work, fruitfulness, and faithfulness. We get into why so much of modern productivity culture runs on a secular engine, how the heart behind our work matters more than the output, and practical ways to fight the distractions—phone addiction chief among them—that keep us from living intentionally. Whether you're drowning in a to-do list or wondering if God even cares how you spend your Tuesday afternoon, this conversation reframes the whole thing. In this episode: Why secular and biblical views of productivity ultimately collide Productivity as stewardship rather than self-interest How fruitfulness—not output—is the Bible's picture of a productive life The Holy Spirit as the power source for our work, not sheer self-discipline Redeeming mundane tasks through heart and attitude The real roots of procrastination, and practical ways to fight it Striving hard while still resting in grace Managing attention and digital distraction in a phone-addicted age Pruning commitments to live with purpose Timestamps: 00:00 — Introduction and guest introduction 01:21 — Reagan's journey into Christian productivity 03:20 — Where secular and biblical views of productivity collide 06:20 — The lack of practical discipleship in the church 07:40 — Defining biblical productivity: stewardship vs. self-interest 10:12 — Living in the Spirit: fruitfulness and connection to Christ 11:38 — Does God care about productivity? Eternal vs. earthly focus 14:05 — The power source: Holy Spirit vs. self-discipline 17:26 — Redeeming mundane tasks: heart and attitude 20:13 — Living with an eternal mindset in daily life 23:01 — The problem of procrastination: heart and systems 26:44 — Practical strategies to overcome procrastination 36:37 — Balancing effort and grace: striving in the Spirit 39:29 — The ambition of the early church vs. modern ambition 45:42 — Managing attention and digital distractions 50:36 — Pruning commitments and living intentionally 55:17 — The call to serve and the mission from God 58:33 — The role of the church and spiritual gifts 01:00:03 — Living with purpose: the gospel and daily work 01:01:00 — Closing remarks and resources

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Gospel conversations that challenge cultural narratives—nothing is too taboo here. We bring wisdom, humility, and grace to topics like mental health, social media, money, spiritual disciplines, and more.

資訊

  • 創作者
    Justine Cheri Ordway
  • 活躍年代
    2019年 - 2026年
  • 集數
    36
  • 年齡分級
    兒少適宜
  • 版權
    © 2026 Going Deeper
  • 節目網站
    Going Deeper

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