The In-Between

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Welcome to The In-Betweeen—a space for anyone navigating from the familiar to the unknown. Whether you’re facing a personal, professional, or spiritual disruption, these conversations are here to help guide you through the questions, uncertainties, and opportunities that come with change. Hear from leaders, thinkers, and storytellers who’ve found their way forward—and learn how you can, too. No matter where you’re starting, you don’t have to navigate this alone. Are you unsure of what's next for you? Join my email course to clarify your next step: https://itstheinbetween.com/

  1. Beth & Jeff McCord: From Pastoral Crisis to Global Enneagram Coaching Movement

    04/11/2025

    Beth & Jeff McCord: From Pastoral Crisis to Global Enneagram Coaching Movement

    In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Beth and Jeff McCord—bestselling authors and founders of Your Enneagram Coach—to unpack the powerful story behind one of the most influential faith-based coaching movements in the world. After a devastating church transition left them questioning their purpose, the McCords found themselves in an unexpected season of rebuilding. What began with financial uncertainty, part-time jobs, and late-night brainstorming sessions soon grew into a global platform serving millions. They share openly about loss, marriage tension, risk, recovery, and the surprising ways God used their pain to prepare them for something new. Takeaways : 👉 The church role that went sideways—and the sabbatical that forced a reset 👉 Beth’s entrepreneurial spark (platform skills, first Instagram posts, the scrappy first coach cohort) 👉 Jeff’s recovery & reframing season (counseling, ACOA, learning to learn-and-act) 👉 The catalytic moment: Ian Cron’s book hits and demand surges 👉 Why they launched Beth’s company (not under Jeff’s) to rewrite old patterns 👉 “Building while flying”: hiring help, customer support, and sustainable rhythms 👉 Redefining success beyond a church title—serving more people in new ways 👉 How their latest work (More Than Your Number) blends IFS with the Enneagram to navigate the inner world through transitionThis Episode Is for You If… You’ve been through a ministry/job disruption and need a hopeful, practical blueprintYou and your spouse are navigating new roles while building something togetherYou’re curious how small experiments (and a lot of faithfulness) compound into a movementYou want to see how Enneagram insight + recovery work shaped a resilient second actIf you liked this video, please give it a thumbs up 👍, subscribe, and share it with your friends.📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode31-beth-jeff-mccord/

    1h 3m
  2. The Magic of Knowing What You Want with Tracey Gee

    14/10/2025

    The Magic of Knowing What You Want with Tracey Gee

    In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Tracey Gee—leadership coach, consultant, and author of The Magic of Knowing What You Want—to explore how desire, faith, and small experiments create aligned momentum after a disruptive transition. Tracey shares how a missed promotion shattered her sense of identity—and how a simple 40-day practice (doing one thing each day she genuinely wanted) helped her reconnect with God, recover her agency, and begin imagining a new future. Takeaways: 👉 Why desire is an honest doorway to clarity (you can’t fake what brings you alive) 👉 The “question parking lot”: permission, pragmatic, competency, and capital questions—and when to use them 👉 The Authentic Alignment Pathway (Calibration, Expansion, Experimentation, Integration) 👉 Why you don’t think your way to clarity—you live your way into it 👉 How to engage disappointment so it moves you closer to what you want 👉 How faith and desire cooperate (not compete) in discernment This Episode Is for You If… You’re a faith-based leader in transition—between seasons and craving aligned momentumYou’re tired of autopilot and want a practical way to listen to God in your desiresYou keep getting stuck in “am I allowed / is it realistic / am I qualified / can I afford it?” loopsYou want right-sized experiments to build clarity this month 📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode30-tracey-gee/

    52 min
  3. Kristi Gaultiere - Why Empathy Is the Missing Piece in Personal & Spiritual Growth

    30/09/2025

    Kristi Gaultiere - Why Empathy Is the Missing Piece in Personal & Spiritual Growth

    In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Kristi Gaultiere—a licensed family therapist, co-founder of Soul Shepherding, and author of Deeply Loved—to explore how empathy plays a transformative role in emotional health, spiritual growth, and meaningful relationships. With 30+ years of counseling and ministry experience, Kristi opens up about the emotional barriers leaders face during seasons of transition: self-judgment, shame, isolation, and the temptation to "be strong" by suppressing real emotions. Drawing from her new book and personal experiences, Kristi shares how Jesus's empathy offers a healing presence for anyone navigating grief, uncertainty, or change. This conversation is for anyone who’s felt emotionally disconnected, judged their own struggles, or longed for safe places of spiritual and emotional care. Takeaways:👉 Why empathy is "oxygen for the soul" 👉 How childhood experiences shape our emotional responses in adulthood 👉 The difference between self-empathy and self-pity 👉 Why vulnerability is a gateway to intimacy, not weakness 👉 What Jesus's "in-between" years can teach us about waiting well 👉 How empathy from others can awaken hidden emotions and bring healing 👉 Why emotional awareness is a vital part of spiritual growth 👉 How empathy leads to transformation, not fragilization 👉 The "Four A's of Empathy" and how to practice them daily This Episode Is for You If... You're in a season of transition and feel emotionally disoriented You’ve been told to "just be strong" or to ignore your emotions You secretly wonder if your feelings are signs of spiritual failure You desire deeper connection in relationships but feel stuck You want to experience Jesus's empathy in a personal and transformative way 📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode29-kristi-gualtiere/

    46 min
  4. Michael Shahan on IFS, the Enneagram and Understanding Your Inner World through Compassion

    02/09/2025

    Michael Shahan on IFS, the Enneagram and Understanding Your Inner World through Compassion

    In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Michael Shahan—a licensed therapist, Enneagram specialist, and IFS practitioner—who helps people shift from self-judgment to self-leadership through deeper self-awareness and compassion. Michael’s journey began unexpectedly when a couple he counseled discovered the Enneagram, transforming their marriage—and sparking Michael’s passion for using this powerful tool in his practice. But it wasn’t until he faced his own fears, mistyped his own Enneagram number, and embraced the discomfort of self-discovery that his work took on new meaning. Together, we explore why lasting change begins with curiosity instead of shame, how our most uncomfortable emotions hold the keys to freedom, and what it really means to flourish by accepting ourselves exactly as we are. This conversation is for anyone wrestling with anxiety, secretly judging their own struggles, or feeling ready for deeper self-understanding—but unsure where to begin. Takeaways: 👉 Why awareness alone can spark powerful transformation 👉 How to recognize when fear is quietly driving your decisions 👉 Why the parts of yourself you resist the most need compassion, not criticism 👉 What Michael means when he says, “The problem is the problem, not you” 👉 How Internal Family Systems (IFS) can help you understand your inner conflicts 👉 Why acceptance isn’t resignation—it’s empowerment 👉 The hidden connection between spirituality and emotional health 👉 How the Enneagram can reveal your blind spots and your gifts 👉 Why real flourishing begins with accepting your fears rather than escaping them This Episode Is for You If… You feel stuck repeating patterns you know aren’t serving you You’ve experienced anxiety, self-doubt, or shame around your inner struggles You’re secretly wondering if your coping strategies are doing more harm than good You’re tired of fighting yourself and ready for deeper peace and clarity You want a practical path to self-compassion—not just positive thinking 📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode28-michael-shahan/

    52 min
  5. Andrew Simila on Reinvention, Ownership, and the Power of Asking “What Would New Look Like?”

    19/08/2025

    Andrew Simila on Reinvention, Ownership, and the Power of Asking “What Would New Look Like?”

    In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Andrew Simila—executive coach, associate partner at Novus Global, and former pastor—who helps leaders live beyond their default future and into what he calls the generative future. After 15 years in ministry, Andrew resigned from his pastoral role without a clear next step. What followed was a season of deep exploration, honest questions, and a slow but powerful reinvention. Together, we explore what it means to live with curiosity, how to ask “What do I want?” without shame, and why ownership is often the doorway to transformation. This is a conversation for anyone feeling stuck, frustrated, or dreaming of something different—but afraid to say it out loud. Takeaways: 👉 Why every leader underestimates what they’re capable 👉 How to give yourself permission to want something new 👉 What Andrew means by “Growth happens on the hook, not off it” 👉 Why ministry is a function—not a title 👉 The difference between comfort and calling 👉 What the F.A.C.T. loop is—and how to know when you're in it 👉 Why vision without values is dangerous 👉 How to live with curiosity—in life, work, and relationship 👉 Why Andrew believes feedback is a gift, not a threat This Episode Is for You If... You’ve left (or are considering leaving) a leadership role You’re questioning your next chapter—but scared of letting go You’re carrying guilt around asking, “What do I want?” You’re tired of surviving and want to explore what thriving might look like You know it’s time for a change—and don’t want to wait for a collapse 📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode27-andrew-simila/

    1h 1m
  6. Samantha Mackay on Recovering Creativity, Unexpected Survival Strategies, and Using the Enneagram as a Path to Healing

    05/08/2025

    Samantha Mackay on Recovering Creativity, Unexpected Survival Strategies, and Using the Enneagram as a Path to Healing

    What if your best traits—the ones that made you successful—were also the ones keeping you stuck? And what if your next chapter isn’t about reinvention, but about recovering the parts of you you had to silence just to survive? In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Samantha Mackay—visibility coach, former lawyer, and Enneagram guide—who helps solopreneurs and artistic humans birth the projects that won’t leave them alone. After a health crisis forced her to leave law and confront the chronic stress her body could no longer carry, Samantha began a journey of healing—one that led her to a quieter kind of strength, and to creative work that felt true. Together, they explore what it takes to trust your instincts again, how to tell when you’re coping vs. creating, and why expression isn’t just for artists—it’s for anyone who feels like they’ve outgrown their old life but don’t know what’s next. Takeaways: 👉 When “strengths” like charm, productivity, or people-pleasing are actually survival strategies👉 How childhood creative wounds shape adult self-expression👉 The invisible cost of being “on” all the time👉 Why nervous system safety is essential for reinvention👉 How the Enneagram helps us reclaim essence—not just manage behavior👉 What it means to return to old work with new boundaries👉 How intuitive creativity—like painting or dance—helps us hear what’s been buried 📝 Show Notes:⁠ ⁠⁠https://itstheinbetween.com/episode26-samantha-mackay/⁠

    46 min
  7. From Pastor to Pickleball Entrepreneur: Joe Freudenberg on Leaving Ministry, Being A Man, and Staying on Mission

    22/07/2025

    From Pastor to Pickleball Entrepreneur: Joe Freudenberg on Leaving Ministry, Being A Man, and Staying on Mission

    In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Joe Freudenberg—former youth pastor turned entrepreneur, coach, and founder of Pickleball CourtPro. Joe’s journey is one many vocational leaders will resonate with: a quiet realization that the life he’d built no longer aligned with the mission he felt called to live. Joe shares what it was like to leave vocational ministry without a clear next step, the slow and often disorienting season that followed, and how unlikely mentors and manual labor helped him rediscover provision, purpose, and possibility. From flipping eBay items in a basement to building pickleball courts and coaching other dads, Joe’s story is a powerful testament to how God uses the in-between. We talk about the emotional toll of transition, what it means to rebuild not just a career but a sense of calling, and how Joe’s family is now living out a vision he first shared in his twenties—this time, funded by his own business. He reflects on what kept him going when he wanted to quit, how finding “the right person” made all the difference, and why flourishing, for him, is measured by the fruit he sees in his home. Joe also shares how he’s now helping other dads leave ministry, start businesses, and pursue a deeper alignment between calling, capacity, and conviction. Takeaways: 👉 Why Joe left ministry without bitterness—but with deep confusion 👉 What wandering seasons can teach us if we give them space 👉 How assembling IV pump parts created mental room for transformation 👉 The story behind Joe’s first court build—and the conversation that made it possible 👉 Why ministry leaders often underestimate their transferable soft skills 👉 The importance of asking for help—and how one person can shift everything 👉 What Joe believes flourishing looks like now as a husband, father, and business owner 👉 Why creating space for your family’s vision might matter more than ever This episode is for anyone who’s left ministry, is questioning their next move, or is in the messy middle between identity and income. If you’ve ever wondered, “What do I do with all these skills I can’t put on a resume?”—this one’s for you. 📝 Show Notes at: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode25-joe-freudenberg/

    39 min
  8. Jason DeMeo on Artistic Intelligence, Transition, and Creative Permission

    01/07/2025

    Jason DeMeo on Artistic Intelligence, Transition, and Creative Permission

    In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Jason DeMeo—artist, designer, keynote speaker, and co-founder of We Are Curio. Jason’s vocational journey has taken him from corporate call centers to church leadership, from vintage Etsy shops to full-time abstract art. Through it all, a common thread emerges: the courage to listen to what’s stirring underneath—and the willingness to follow it.Jason shares how the arc of his life has followed five-to-seven-year creative seasons, what it feels like when the old ways stop fitting, and how art became a way to trust emergence rather than force outcomes. He reflects on what it means to navigate change through intuition, spiritual listening, and play—and why side projects matter more than we think.We talk about the sacred mess of the creative process, why permission is often what we’re waiting for (even if we don’t say it), and how artistic intelligence is something every person carries—not just trained artists or creatives.He also introduces the AWE framework (Adopt the mindset, Work the practice, Exhibit the art) and explains how memory fragments, reverse abstraction, and gold leaf became not just materials, but metaphors for meaning.Takeaways: 👉 How push and pull can help us discern when it’s time to shift—or stay 👉 Why transitions often begin with discomfort before clarity 👉 The story of how Jason moved from consulting to art without a formal background 👉 What “reverse abstraction” and “memory fragments” teach us about healing and integration 👉 Why every artist needs a sacred space and regular practice 👉 The difference between being an artist for others and creating for yourself 👉 Why Jason believes artistry is inherent—and how to begin recovering it 👉 A commissioning to see yourself as art and live from that truth This episode is for anyone wondering what to do with that side project that won’t leave you alone, anyone standing at the edge of “what’s next,” or anyone who needs to hear that creating from your truest self isn’t just allowed—it’s essential.If you liked this video, please give it a thumbs up 👍 , subscribe, and share it with your friends.📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode24-jason-demeo/

    37 min
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Welcome to The In-Betweeen—a space for anyone navigating from the familiar to the unknown. Whether you’re facing a personal, professional, or spiritual disruption, these conversations are here to help guide you through the questions, uncertainties, and opportunities that come with change. Hear from leaders, thinkers, and storytellers who’ve found their way forward—and learn how you can, too. No matter where you’re starting, you don’t have to navigate this alone. Are you unsure of what's next for you? Join my email course to clarify your next step: https://itstheinbetween.com/

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