What does it take to rehumanize our common life in a moment of cultural fragility, institutional collapse, and crisis of trust? Recorded at the Washington National Cathedral for Comment magazine's inaugural Understory Festival, this roundtable asks how culture, beauty, and faith might rehumanize a fractured public life. Mark Labberton is joined by Comment editor-in-chief Anne Snyder, The Sacred host Elizabeth Oldfield, Washington Post columnist Shadi Hamid, and Cardus co-founder Ray Pennings—the hosts of the growing Comment Podcast Network—around a wonderfully simple question: What just happened here? This conversation first appeared on Conversing with Mark Labberton, cross-posted here to The Understory feed. Mentioned: Comment Podcast Network; "The Understory," by Lore Ferguson Wilbert; Romans 8; Madeleine Albright; Ben Sasse; Luke Bretherton. Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at team@comment.org. The Understory is a production of Comment (comment.org), published by Cardus (cardus.ca). Hosted by Anne Snyder. Edited by Allie Crummy. Produced by Tiffany Thompson and Evan Rosa. Subscribe to The Understory wherever you get your podcasts: comment.org/podcasts. Episode Highlights "It is actually possible to have deep roots and wide open arms."—Anne Snyder "Naturally as a Muslim, I don't agree with Christianity's truth claims, but that doesn't mean that I can't appreciate the beauty of Christianity."—Shadi Hamid "The word that's been coming to me this whole festival is and."—Elizabeth Oldfield "Politics is downstream from culture."—Ray Pennings "We're all made to worship, it's just a question of what we worship."—Shadi Hamid About Elizabeth Oldfield Elizabeth Oldfield hosts The Sacred, the podcast she launched in 2017, and is the former director and now senior fellow of Theos, the UK think tank on religion and society. She is the author of Fully Alive: Tending to the Soul in Turbulent Times (Brazos, 2024) and a contributing editor at Comment. Her work appears across the BBC, the Financial Times, and UnHerd, and she lives in an intentional community in South London. Learn more and follow at elizabetholdfield.com and linktr.ee/sacredpodcast. About Shadi Hamid Shadi Hamid is a columnist at The Washington Post, where he writes on culture, religion, and foreign policy, and a senior fellow at Georgetown University's Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. His newest book is The Case for American Power (Simon & Schuster, 2025), following The Problem of Democracy and Islamic Exceptionalism. He co-founded Wisdom of Crowds and co-hosts Zealots at the Gate for Comment. Learn more and follow at washingtonpost.com/people/shadi-hamid. About Ray Pennings Ray Pennings co-founded Cardus in 2000 and serves as its executive vice president and as Comment's publisher. A longtime voice in Canadian public policy and industrial relations, he was lead author of the Cardus report Death is Natural: Reframing the End-of-Life Conversation in Canada. He holds a history degree from McMaster University and an MA in religion from Puritan Theological Seminary. Learn more and follow at cardus.ca. About Anne Snyder Anne Snyder is editor-in-chief of Comment, published by Cardus, and convener of the Understory Festival. She hosts The Whole Person Revolution podcast and is the author of The Fabric of Character. Learn more and follow at comment.org. Helpful Links and Resources The Understory Festival: https://comment.org/festival/ Comment magazine: https://comment.org Cardus: https://www.cardus.ca The Understory, by Lore Ferguson Wilbert: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1587435705 Elizabeth Oldfield, Fully Alive: https://www.elizabetholdfield.com The Sacred podcast: https://linktr.ee/sacredpodcast Zealots at the Gate: https://comment.org/podcasts/zealots-at-the-gate/ Shadi Hamid, The Case for American Power: https://a.co/d/0fEuFUUS #UnderstoryFestival #Comment #Cardus #ChristianHumanism #PublicTheology #Pluralism #ShadiHamid #MarkLabberton #ElizabethOldfield #AnneSnyder #Hope