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The Vibes-Based Legal System

This week Steve's back to tackle the big question: is AI-generated output copyrightable? The conversation includes discussions of the Copyright Act of 1976, the philosophy of why copyright exists at all, whether LLM training is learning, and why owning a style would destroy culture. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes the Coca-Cola DEA deal and why trade secrets beat patents, what happens when copyright expires on open source code, turning software into giant prime numbers, the JSON "for good and not evil" licensing saga, and a deep dive into why open source licensing is an honor code system that's quietly falling apart. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Kris, Matt, and Steve pick up the copyright thread and ask whether it even matters to working developers, draw parallels to the U.S. tax system, and debate whether the frantic pace of AI standards is chaos or just what innovation looks like. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/27. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Snow, Ice, and Frozen Pipes (00:01:26)Chapter 2: Is AI Output Copyrightable? (00:04:24)Chapter 3: Training vs Output: Two Separate Questions (00:07:28)Chapter 4: The 1976 Copyright Act and Software (00:11:12)Chapter 7: Copyleft vs Permissive in the LLM Era (00:15:59)Chapter 8: Copyright as a Weapon, Not a Shield (00:20:50)Chapter 9: LLM Training Is Just Learning (00:23:04)Chapter 10: Owning a Style Would Destroy Culture (00:26:57)Chapter 11: The Real Problem Is Bigger Than Copyright (00:32:40)Chapter 12: AI Acceptance and What Is Thinking? (00:36:41)Chapter 13: Our Definition of Thinking Is Just Vibes (00:41:58)Chapter 18: The Whole System Is Vibes (00:47:32)Epilogue (00:48:47) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Steve Klabnik - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (01:26) - Chapter 1: Snow, Ice, and Frozen Pipes (04:24) - Chapter 2: Is AI Output Copyrightable? (07:28) - Chapter 3: Training vs Output: Two Separate Questions (11:12) - Chapter 4: The 1976 Copyright Act and Software (15:59) - Chapter 7: Copyleft vs Permissive in the LLM Era (20:50) - Chapter 8: Copyright as a Weapon, Not a Shield (23:04) - Chapter 9: LLM Training Is Just Learning (26:57) - Chapter 10: Owning a Style Would Destroy Culture (32:40) - Chapter 11: The Real Problem Is Bigger Than Copyright (36:41) - Chapter 12: AI Acceptance and What Is Thinking? (41:58) - Chapter 13: Our Definition of Thinking Is Just Vibes (47:32) - Chapter 18: The Whole System Is Vibes (48:47) - Epilogue

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The AI Factory Floor

This week we're talking about Gastown! Dylan and Steve join Kris to break down the viral project that spins up hundreds of Claude Code instances to build a software factory. Steve makes the case for why this is an inevitable evolution and the conversation digs into what it actually means to treat software development as a factory floor. The panel traces the cycle from mainframes to PCs to cloud to AI, debates whether data centers are really the environmental villain, and gets into the real economics of AI pricing. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes the crypto rug pull scheme targeting open source maintainers, why conEdison is actually good at their job, whether AI subscriptions are just Uber-style subsidization all over again, the gambling psychology of usage-based costs, and Steve's secret project Docket. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Kris and Steve dive deep into semantic versioning, the real cost of "breaking changes" in Go, and a whirlwind history of package managers from CPAN to NPM to Go modules. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/26. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Welcome Back, Dylan (00:00:46)Chapter 2: What is Gastown? (00:06:02)Chapter 3: Where Are the AI Factory Floor Managers? (00:07:53)Chapter 4: The Industry is Cyclical (00:19:43)Chapter 5: Rug Pull as a Service [Preview] (00:23:36)Chapter 7: Energy, Grids & Con Edison [Preview] (00:24:12)Chapter 9: Mainframes Are Still Holding It Together [Preview] (00:25:00)Chapter 11: API Pricing & the Race to the Bottom [Preview] (00:25:35)Chapter 12: Is AI Pricing Just Uber All Over Again? [Preview] (00:26:12)Chapter 13: The Gambling Psychology of API Costs [Preview] (00:26:47)Chapter 15: Beads & AI Dev Tools [Preview] (00:27:23)Chapter 16: Steve's Secret Project [Preview] (00:27:52)Chapter 6: Data Centers Aren't the Villain (00:28:45)Chapter 8: The Case for Local AI (00:35:01)Chapter 10: Claude Code Usage & Hitting the Limits (00:39:55)Chapter 14: The Upgrade Treadmill (00:47:15)Chapter 17: Claude Debugging War Stories (00:56:31)Epilogue (01:01:28) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Dylan Bourque - Host Steve Klabnik - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (00:46) - Chapter 1: Welcome Back, Dylan (06:02) - Chapter 2: What is Gastown? (07:53) - Chapter 3: Where Are the AI Factory Floor Managers? (19:43) - Chapter 4: The Industry is Cyclical (23:36) - Chapter 5: Rug Pull as a Service [Preview] (24:12) - Chapter 7: Energy, Grids & Con Edison [Preview] (25:00) - Chapter 9: Mainframes Are Still Holding It Together [Preview] (25:35) - Chapter 11: API Pricing & the Race to the Bottom [Preview] (26:12) - Chapter 12: Is AI Pricing Just Uber All Over Again? [Preview] (26:47) - Chapter 13: The Gambling Psychology of API Costs [Preview] (27:23) - Chapter 15: Beads & AI Dev Tools [Preview] (27:52) - Chapter 16: Steve's Secret Project [Preview] (28:45) - Chapter 6: Data Centers Aren't the Villain (35:01) - Chapter 8: The Case for Local AI (39:55) - Chapter 10: Claude Code Usage & Hitting the Limits (47:15) - Chapter 14: The Upgrade Treadmill (56:31) - Chapter 17: Claude Debugging War Stories (01:01:28) - Epilogue

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Systems Thinking for Humans

Annie and Michael Hedgpeth, founders of People Work, join Kris and Matt to unpack the junior hiring crisis and what's really broken about how we grow engineers. Annie's viral blog post sparked debate about whether senior engineers have abandoned their responsibility to mentor and whether our obsession with career ladders created the problem. The conversation moves from systemic dysfunction to solutions: People Work, their local-first app that helps engineers manage professional relationships with a systems thinking approach. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes Kris's unconventional career path, a rant about why we have too many engineering titles, deep dives into relational intelligence and privacy concerns around workplace surveillance, and the technical architecture behind People Work: Swift frontend, Rust backend, and a custom DSL inspired by HCL. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Annie and Michael stick around as the panel digs into why early career engineers rush to prove themselves, the trap of becoming "the glue person" instead of building technical depth, and why your strength as a junior is that you don't know anything yet. The panel also discusses some spicy topics like why software engineers spew logical fallacies, and the future of computing as hardware gains slow down. They round out the episode with some Unpopular Opinions. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/25. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Meet Annie & Michael Hedgpeth (00:00:49)Chapter 2: The Junior Hiring Crisis (00:01:15)Chapter 3: AI as an Amplifier (00:10:37)Chapter 4: The Broken Apprenticeship Model (00:12:05)Chapter 5: Scaling Yourself Through Others (00:20:00)Chapter 6: Kris Never Had a Mentor [Preview] (00:25:59)Chapter 7: Too Many Titles [Preview] (00:26:14)Chapter 10: Relational Intelligence [Preview] (00:26:33)Chapter 12: Why Engineers? [Preview] (00:27:04)Chapter 13: Privacy & Safe Spaces [Preview] (00:27:36)Chapter 14: AI Strategy & On-Device [Preview] (00:28:06)Chapter 15: Swift + Rust + Crux [Preview] (00:28:34)Chapter 8: Networking That Actually Works (00:29:17)Chapter 9: What is People Work? (00:33:56)Chapter 11: The Onboarding Use Case (00:43:18)Chapter 16: Data Ownership & The DSL (00:48:16)Epilogue (00:52:25) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Annie Hedgpeth - Guest Michael Hedgpeth - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (00:49) - Chapter 1: Meet Annie & Michael Hedgpeth (01:15) - Chapter 2: The Junior Hiring Crisis (10:37) - Chapter 3: AI as an Amplifier (12:05) - Chapter 4: The Broken Apprenticeship Model (20:00) - Chapter 5: Scaling Yourself Through Others (25:59) - Chapter 6: Kris Never Had a Mentor [Preview] (26:14) - Chapter 7: Too Many Titles [Preview] (26:33) - Chapter 10: Relational Intelligence [Preview] (27:04) - Chapter 12: Why Engineers? [Preview] (27:36) - Chapter 13: Privacy & Safe Spaces [Preview] (28:06) - Chapter 14: AI Strategy & On-Device [Preview] (28:34) - Chapter 15: Swift + Rust + Crux [Preview] (29:17) - Chapter 8: Networking That Actually Works (33:56) - Chapter 9: What is PeopleWork? (43:18) - Chapter 11: The Onboarding Use Case (48:16) - Chapter 16: Data Ownership & The DSL (52:25) - Epilogue

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Innovation Looks Like Chaos

Welcome back to Break, a Fallthrough aftershow! Kris, Matt, and Steve pick up where the main episode left off, asking whether copyright actually matters to working developers. Kris draws parallels to the U.S. tax system as an example of messy-but-functional policy, Matt vents about the frantic pace of AI "standards" like MCP and agents.md, and Kris argues that ossification is worse than chaos by pointing to TCP and Von Neumann architecture as cautionary tales of things that got locked in and never changed. Enjoying the aftershow? Let us know on social media! If you prefer to watch instead of just listen, head over to YouTube where you can watch this episode of Break! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Chapters: Prologue (00:00:02)Chapter 1: Does Copyright Actually Matter to Developers? (00:00:57)Chapter 2: The Tax System: A Lesson in Messy Policy (00:04:08)Chapter 3: The Frantic Pace of AI Standards (00:09:17)Chapter 4: Innovation Is Chaos (TCP, Von Neumann & Ossification) (00:12:31)Chapter 5: Sleep Deprivation and the Cost of Keeping Up (00:17:33)Chapter 6: Tech Layoffs (00:18:16)Epilogue (00:19:30) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Steve Klabnik - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram

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Ghostting Is Better Than Shelling

We've had Mitchell Hashimoto on a couple episodes, and each time we've discussed his vision for libghostty. In this episode, Kris and Matt talk about what the vision for libghostty actually means for the industry as a whole and the power of platforms. The duo also covers the new models that have dropped and how they see using the various models that have become available. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/XbjmqlSWlKI. This week's episode of break continues the conversation, where they continue this conversation and talk about how we're all becoming writers. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/18. We've got a new format for the bonus content snippets in this episode. All of them are together in the middle of the episode, with a small intro and outro around them. In this week's bonus content the duo discusses how AI might help save Stack Overflow, how it's making us write more specifications for software, and how it might lead to a much more viable funding model for the web. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: New Models & How We Use Them (00:02:28)Chapter 2: AI Will Help StackOverflow [Extended] (00:35:27)Chapter 3: Software Engineering Is About Writing Specifications [Extended] (00:35:59)Chapter 4: A Better Funding Model For The Web [Extended] (00:36:38)Chapter 5: SSH Out, libghostty In (00:37:37)Chapter 6: New Segment Type? (01:01:04)Epilogue (01:04:56) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:28) - Chapter 1: New Models & How We Use Them (35:27) - Chapter 2: AI Will Help StackOverflow [Extended] (35:59) - Chapter 3: Software Engineering Is About Writing Specifications [Extended] (36:38) - Chapter 4: A Better Funding Model For The Web [Extended] (37:37) - Chapter 5: SSH Out, libghostty In (01:01:04) - Chapter 6: New Segment Type? (01:04:56) - Epilogue

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Magic Numbers Take Down The Internet

This cannot keep happening. Another day, another outage. On this week's episode Kris and Matt talk about the recent Cloudflare outage. And boy do they have thoughts, we really hope you enjoy this exchange of monologues. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/LsOgDolc9Fw This week's episode of break continues the conversation, with a few more monologues and some thinking about the state of things. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/17. And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear about the Cloudflare outage in a bit more depth and hear the duos take on being a generalist versus a specialist. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: The Cloudflare Outage (00:02:17)Chapter 2: Too Much Centralization? (00:20:24)Chapter 3: Communication Matters (00:26:22)Chapter 4: Magic Numbers Take Down The Internet [Extended] (00:29:50)Chapter 5: Programming Language Hate and AI versus Tools (00:30:19)Chapter 6: The Generalist and The Specialist [Extended] (00:49:29)Epilogue (00:50:03) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:17) - Chapter 1: The Cloudflare Outage (02:52) - Chapter 2: Too Much Centralization? (26:22) - Chapter 3: Communication Matters (26:43) - Chapter 4: Magic Numbers Take Down The Internet [Extended] (30:19) - Chapter 5: Programming Language Hate and AI versus Tools (35:05) - Chapter 6: The Generalist and The Specialist [Extended] (50:03) - Epilogue

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Ghostty & The Shell

Mitchell once again joins Matt and Kris to give us an update about Ghostty, a new library he's working on called libxev, and some of his thoughts around AI. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. For our supporters, we have extra chapters on Mitchell's talk on open source governance and requiring AI disclosures for Ghostty contributions. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: What's New With Ghostty? (00:01:44)Chapter 2: Mitchell's Take On Open Source Governance [Extended Only] (00:34:14)Chapter 3: libxev (00:34:35)Chapter 4: AI Contribution Disclosures in Ghostty [Extended Only] (00:55:31) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Dylan Bourque - Host Mitchell Hashimoto - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (01:44) - Chapter 1: What's New With Ghostty? (34:14) - Chapter 2: Mitchell's Take On Open Source Governance [Extended Only] (34:35) - Chapter 3: libxev (55:31) - Chapter 4: AI Contribution Disclosures in Ghostty [Extended Only]

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Systems Thinking for Humans

Annie and Michael Hedgpeth, founders of People Work, join Kris and Matt to unpack the junior hiring crisis and what's really broken about how we grow engineers. Annie's viral blog post sparked debate about whether senior engineers have abandoned their responsibility to mentor and whether our obsession with career ladders created the problem. The conversation moves from systemic dysfunction to solutions: People Work, their local-first app that helps engineers manage professional relationships with a systems thinking approach. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes Kris's unconventional career path, a rant about why we have too many engineering titles, deep dives into relational intelligence and privacy concerns around workplace surveillance, and the technical architecture behind People Work: Swift frontend, Rust backend, and a custom DSL inspired by HCL. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe ( https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe ) where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Annie and Michael stick around as the panel digs into why early career engineers rush to prove themselves, the trap of becoming "the glue person" instead of building technical depth, and why your strength as a junior is that you don't know anything yet. The panel also discusses some spicy topics like why software engineers spew logical fallacies, and the future of computing as hardware gains slow down. They round out the episode with some Unpopular Opinions. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/25 ( https://break.show/25 ). Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: * Prologue (00:00:00) * Chapter 1: Meet Annie & Michael Hedgpeth (00:00:49) * Chapter 2: The Junior Hiring Crisis (00:01:15) * Chapter 3: AI as an Amplifier (00:10:37) * Chapter 4: The Broken Apprenticeship Model (00:12:05) * Chapter 5: Scaling Yourself Through Others (00:20:00) * Chapter 6: Kris Never Had a Mentor [Extended] (00:24:55) * Chapter 7: Too Many Titles [Extended] (00:29:35) * Chapter 8: Networking That Actually Works (00:34:59) * Chapter 9: What is People Work? (00:39:48) * Chapter 10: Relational Intelligence [Extended] (00:49:33) * Chapter 11: The Onboarding Use Case (00:54:48) * Chapter 12: Why Engineers? [Extended] (00:59:55) * Chapter 13: Privacy & Safe Spaces [Extended] (01:04:46) * Chapter 14: AI Strategy & On-Device [Extended] (01:09:33) * Chapter 15: Swift + Rust + Crux [Extended] (01:14:55) * Chapter 16: Data Ownership & The DSL (01:24:48) * Epilogue (01:28:46) Host: Matthew Sanabria Co-Host: Kris Brandow Guests: Annie Hedgpeth and Michael Hedgpeth Beats: Breakmaster Cylinder Fallthrough is produced by Kris Brandow. Socials: * Website ( https://fallthrough.fm/ ) * Bluesky ( https://bsky.app/profile/fallthrough.fm ) * Threads ( https://www.threads.net/@fallthroughfm ) * X/Twitter ( https://x.com/fallthroughfm ) * LinkedIn ( https://linkedin.com/company/fallthrough ) * Instagram ( https://www.instagram.com/fallthroughfm/ )

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What's New In Go 1.24?

Go's steady cycle of releasing new versions every six months continues. On this episode, our "What's new in Go?" correspondent (a carry over from Go Time) joins special guest host Johnny Boursiquot to talk about the new features and changes coming in Go 1.24. As always, we've got some great unpopular opinions at the end. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes & Links: Carlana's WebsiteTime Is Not A Synchronization Primitive (from 19:04)sqlc (from 1:05:01)Chapters: (00:00) - Intro (02:20) - Introducing Carlana (03:29) - What's New In Go 1.24? (04:02) - package weak (10:17) - package runtime (16:55) - testing (27:37) - package os (32:28) - go tool (37:58) - generic type aliases (41:35) - minor changes (52:25) - Unpopular Opinions (52:35) - Carlana's Unpop (56:36) - Johnny's Unpop (01:05:43) - Outro Hosts Kris Brandow - Producer Johnny Boursiquot - Host Carlana Johnson - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram

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Navigating A Career In Tech

How much do you know about a career in coding? Perhaps you're already a well versed professional software person. Or maybe you're someone who's just starting out. Either way, you're going to need some help along your entire technology career. In this episode, which is part 2 of a 2 part series, the panel is chatting with Chris Allaire to talk about all things tech recruiting! They discuss what makes one a good candidate, why a recruiter is useful, whether recruiting can be replaced with AI, and so much more. As always, we've got some great unpopular opinions at the end. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes & Links: AverityChapters: (00:00) - Intro (00:57) - How're we doing? (01:47) - Introducing Chris Allaire (03:30) - Retro Tech Recruiting (08:44) - Recruiting Throughout The Decades (13:17) - Increasing Specialization. Or Not. (17:02) - Modern Tech Recruiting (27:47) - Fearing Automation (35:45) - What makes a good candidate? (42:33) - Senior vs Staff: Knowing The Job You want (47:23) - Starting A Career In Coding (55:51) - For Those Who Love Tech, But Not Coding (01:00:57) - How To Choose The Right Company (01:13:03) - Unpopular Opinions (01:13:48) - Chris' Unpop (01:16:10) - Dylan's Unpop (01:17:43) - Kris' Unpop (01:20:18) - Ian's Unpop (01:22:50) - Final Advice: Get A Recruiter (who cares about you)! (01:25:23) - Outro Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host Dylan Bourque - Host Chris Allaire - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram

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