For episode 172, Elia Ayoub and Daniel Voskoboynik talk about a very difficult topic: the Holocaust and the Nakba. The ongoing Israeli genocide in Gaza brings up urgent questions about how memory is weaponized. Elia also talks about Jonathan Glazer,'s The Zone of Interest and the haunting parallels between the everyday life of the Nazi family portrayed in that movie, and the normalization of genocidal rhetoric in Israeli politics today. The Fire These Times is a proud member of From The Periphery (FTP) Media Collective. How to Support: on Patreon or on Apple Podcasts. You'll get early access to all podcasts, exclusive audio and video episodes, an invitation to join our monthly hangouts, and more. If you are already subscribed, thank you! Please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts, share our episodes, and tell your friends about them. Episode Links: Elia's piece: The Ghosts of Israel's Future, Part 1: https://www.hauntologies.net/p/the-ghosts-of-israels-future-part Multidirectionary Memory by Michael Rothberg: https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=9997 Rachel Auerbuch, Yad Vashem and Israeli Holocaust Memory: https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=9997 Unzere Kinder, a film (1946, 1948): https://www.jewishfilm.org/Catalogue/films/ourchildren.html Ancestral Future, by Ailton Krenak: https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Ancestral+Future-p-00410159 Trailer of The Zone of Interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-vfg3KkV54 Jonathan Glazer calls out Israel's weaponisation of the holocaust: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ymiyNmr1WY Mir Kumen On, a film (1936): https://filmforum.org/film/mir-kumen-on-yiddish-cinema-6-23 The Holocaust and the Nakba: a new Grammar of Trauma and History: http://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-holocaust-and-the-nakba/9780231182973 Raez Zreik: The Palestinian Question as a Jewish Question: https://youtu.be/0lGLNmkk7og Check out First video essay on YouTube by Ayman Makarem: Zionism from the Standpoint of Its Victims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZWvvXVR8po Transcriptions: Transcriptions will be by Antidotezine and published on https://thefirethesetimes.com Pluggables: From The Periphery has a website (.com) and is on Patreon, YouTube, Instagram and Twitter Elia Ayoub is on Mastodon, Instagram, and Bluesky, and he has a newsletter: Hauntologies.net Daniel Voskoboynik is on Instagram, and he has a newsletter: The Ecology of Us https://danielvoskoboynik.substack.com Credits: Host(s): Elia Ayoub and Daniel Voskoboynik | Producers: Aydın Yıldız, Elia Ayoub, israa' abdel fattah, Ayman Makarem and/or Leila Al-Shami | Music: Rap and Revenge | TFTT theme design: Wenyi Geng | FTP theme design: Hisham Rifai | Sound editor: Elliott Miskovicz | Team profile pics: Molly Crabapple | Episode design: Elia Ayoub From The Periphery is built by Elia Ayoub, Leila Al-Shami, Ayman Makarem, Dana El Kurd, Karena Avedissian, Daniel Voskoboynik, Anna M, Aydın Yıldız, Ed S, Alice Bonfatti, israa' abdel fattah, with more joining soon! The Fire These Times by Elia Ayoub is licensed under Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International