Join Ariel, Stef, and their guests Jodie Anders and Shalom (aka Boy Venus) for an honest, colorful, and insightful episode that celebrates queer identity through the magic (and mess) of Disney. The conversation spans nostalgic awakenings, media analysis, cultural critique, and the affirming power of telling your story—your way. Jodie, author of Queer Cheer, shares how travel and diverse narratives helped her discover her own queerness. Shalom, a young activist and indie musician, reflects on the power of subtext in media like Luca and Frozen, and how art has been central to their self-exploration. Together, this group celebrates Pride, critiques tokenism, and envisions a future where queer stories aren’t subplots—they’re the main event. Summary Summary of HPOE 45: 00:00 Hosts and Guests Introduction 00:50 Pride Month focus and framing queer media through Disney 02:00 Progress or performative? Disney’s track record on LGBTQ+ representation 06:00 Nostalgic queer awakenings: crushes, princesses, and games 10:00 Queer coding in villains: Ursula, Jafar, and beyond 13:30 Explaining the Hays Code and its legacy in queer subtext 15:00 Highlights from Disney’s official Pride Night 18:00 Emotional weight of safe spaces at theme parks 20:00 Critiques of Disney’s capitalist allyship 22:00 Centering joy: queer characters beyond coming-out stories 24:30 Luca and fan interpretations as liberation 28:30 Elsa, headcanons, and intersectional readings 31:00 The power of dynamic identities in evolving characters 33:00 Queering Spider-Man and self-discovery through metaphor 36:00 Labels, fluidity, and growing into new identities 38:00 Demisexuality and the importance of representation 40:00 Jodie on travel, storytelling, and affirming queer youth 43:00 Affirmations that actually work 46:00 Shalom on community building and queer history 50:00 Spotlighting queer media: Punks, Watermelon Woman, indie music 54:00 Real allyship: more than rainbows—listen, uplift, include 59:00 Final thoughts and where to find Queer Cheer and Boy Venus’s music Transcription 00:00:00:00 – 00:00:08:18 00:00:08:18 – 00:00:35:00 Unknown Hello, everyone. Welcome to the happiest pot on Earth. I’m Steph. I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them. And I’m Ariel, a licensed therapist who uses clients passions and fandom to help them grow and heal from trauma and mental and wellness. Hey everyone, I’m Jodi Anders, I am a Jewish bisexual creator and I focus on creating diversity and promoting youth empowerment. 00:00:35:02 – 00:01:01:01 Unknown I currently serve as the publicity and communications director for a youth nonprofit in California, and I’ve spent over two decades mentoring teens in confidence and leadership skills. I’m the coauthor author of Queer Cheer Activities Advice and Affirmations for LGBTQ Plus Teens, and I also produce a podcast. Let’s talk about leadership, service, and Sisterhood, which is a podcast for teens by teens. 00:01:01:01 – 00:01:25:12 Unknown Hi. My name is Shalom. As a student, I’ve been involved in many campaigns and community organizing organizations, working with youth organizers in the San Fernando Valley to fight for the rights of Filipino migrant workers, justice and visibility for displaced ethnic communities abroad, and have worked to create, support and educate members of the Residents of Color community through the creation of my ever growing coalition. 00:01:25:14 – 00:01:51:16 Unknown California State University, Northridge is Queer Students of Color Club. I’m also a queer indie musician, producing music under the name Boy Venus. Check me out on SoundCloud if you’re interested. Specifically working within the electronic genre to make music reminiscent of games like Pokemon Legends of Zelda, Undertale, while also using techniques from artists like Rebecca Sugar, Ivy Tran and Stephen Filemon. 00:01:52:00 – 00:02:08:14 Unknown beautiful. And here at Happiest Pod, we dissect Disney Medium. So the critical lens. Why? Because we are more than just fans and we expect more from the mediums we consume. So, what are we talking about today? As you both heard these wonderful introductions from our exceptional guests today we have Jodi and Shalom. 00:02:08:15 – 00:02:38:08 Unknown Welcome to the happiest Pod on Earth. We are so thrilled that you are here to talk about all things LGBTQ representation. In honor of Pride Month and we’re really excited to really dive in, and, see the world and see the Disney World from Euro Isles lens. So yeah, welcome to the podcast. So to be here, I’m curious, you know, we have heard about representation in general in the media. 00:02:38:08 – 00:02:59:20 Unknown And when it comes to Disney, do you feel or believe that they’re increasing LGBTQ plus representation, and if so, when do you think they’ve done it? And are there opportunities they missed or were they just like completely missed the mark? I feel like it’s kind of like an ebb and flow situation. I mean, it’s definitely had some more, you know, representation. 00:02:59:20 – 00:03:24:23 Unknown And actually this discussion can get so nuanced, right? Because are we talking about like, original animation? Are we talking about like the entire Disney, universe, you know, within Marvel and Star Wars? So, at this point, apparently Hulu’s in there too. So if there’s some horror movies, or other anime animation you want to include that counts. 00:03:25:01 – 00:04:11:02 Unknown Yeah, I think like in the more like traditional sense of Disney Pixar. It’s it’s slowly increasing, like strictly within like movies and TV. Like in movies, I feel like we’re still not other than maybe like Strange World getting those main characters. That would be great. But, it’s really nice to see at least, you know, some nuances through the community, like having a non-binary character in elementals or, just, you know, at least some representation. 00:04:11:02 – 00:04:57:15 Unknown Which is better than that. But, there’s also just questionable things that they’ve done in the sense of like pulling from different markets or, you know, like, I know, so, like when they did Lightyear, I, I loved that they had a Lisa like, that his sidekick was such a big representation. And then it was so incredibly heartbreaking to have this, reaction to what was not even a minute of their relationship, the lesbian relationship she had, which was this beautiful little heartwarming family and, seeing at the time, like them, like pulling it from market to things like that. 00:04:57:17 – 00:05:01:20 Unknown But at the same time, like, if we kind of pull back the lens a little bit, 00:05:01:20 – 00:05:25:22 Unknown at the same time, there’s like getting the, the monthly emails, not even just the LGBTQ, pieces. They will highlight a monthly email, but like other minority communities and, even, like, abilities, I think they’re doing better on, although sometimes embarrassing when they maybe only have 1 or 2. 00:05:26:00 – 00:05:49:16 Unknown And I mean, I went to Pride Night. I just do that last night, which, you know, they now officially have their official one. And how many years do we have our unofficial. You know, we we still do have kids at Disneyland, but like, it’s nice that they’re officially hosting that. So. Getting better. But riding a wave and still carrying a little too much. 00:05:49:16 – 00:06:15:06 Unknown Maybe about what some people think. Sheila, any thoughts on your in? Yeah. I totally agree. And I think when thinking about representation at Disney, it’s when you look at it as like a conglomerate. I do think that they’ve missed the mark in a lot of ways. But I do think if you look at individual stories and individual narratives, then, you know, there’s some great representation. 00:06:15:08 – 00:06:31:16 Unknown At Disney for queer people, like just recently, in fact, they did a remake of the goosebumps books, and Myles McKenna, who’s a trans, activist, trans activist, actor and musician, is one of the leads in the show. And so, like, 00:06:31:16 – 00:06:45:16 Unknown individual properties, you know, they do have great representation. And even ones that, like, aren’t necessarily inherently queer, like frozen, you know what I mean? 00:06:45:16 – 00:07:10:02 Unknown Or like, not well, turning red too. But then also, Luca, you know, those are movies that weren’t intended to be queer, but they’re autobiographical stories that, you know, queer people can relate to. You know, like having those is great and that it makes you feel more seen. But I think as a, like a conglomeration, I think that’s really the way. 00:07:10:04 – 00:07:39:18 Unknown And I love when you said that there are stories that have been out there that queer people can relate to. So thinking back when you were younger, did you have any specific Disney characters that you were drawn to? Or like you were you just felt this special connection to real? Yeah. I, Todd, Jody and Eric, actually that, the way that I found out that I was queer is through watching The Little Mermaid. 00:07:39:20 – 00:08:06:04 Unknown Because I had a crush on both Eric and area. Yes. And that was really my first, like, understanding of queerness, you know, even before I could put words to it. Disney kind of opened up my mind for queerness, and I think a large part of that was like, I grew up, for a while in a very, like, predominantly woman like community. 00:08:06:04 – 00:08:34:06 Unknown I don’t know how to say that