Find this episode on YouTube: Jay Dyer joins John Heers to discuss the decline of 2000s New Atheism, shifting internet culture, the Enlightenment, Americanism, Orthodox Christianity, and the political forces shaping the modern West.They examine growing skepticism toward claims of scientific neutrality and political objectivism, arguing that politics often functions as a substitute religion—complete with its own dogmas, sacred myths, and promises of salvation. The conversation also explores whether political systems are ultimately controlled by deeper oligarchic and bureaucratic forces operating behind the scenes.Jay and John critique the Enlightenment as a project that elevated human reason into an idol, connecting its assumptions to liberalism, American civic religion, text-centered religion, and modern ideas about human nature. They contrast abstract systems that promise to save society with the concrete virtue—or vice—of the people who actually operate them.The conversation also covers monarchy and democracy in the Christian tradition, the American Dream, Tucker Carlson’s interest in theology, Kant, postmodernism, the decline of New Atheism, and what may come after the Enlightenment project.Along the way, Jay discusses his background, podcasting, internet culture, humor, and the importance of embodied community. They also introduce upcoming Art of Tamada events in Greenville, South Carolina, August 28–29, and Islamorada, October 29–November 2, describing Supra as a communal and experiential practice rooted in hospitality and Orthodox theology.Topics include:- The decline of New Atheism- The Enlightenment and reason as an idol- Americanism and liberal rights- Politics as a substitute religion- Democracy, monarchy, and Christian political thought- Oligarchy, bureaucracy, and political power- Kant, postmodernism, and human nature- Orthodox Christianity and political theology- Supra, hospitality, and the Art of Tamada- Tucker Carlson and the return of theology__🏷️ Sponsored by Conrad's Beef Jerky — loyalty not guaranteed.Conrad's Deli - The best jerky you'll ever have ➜ https://conradsdeli.com/ ⭐ Use promo code "FIRST THINGS" for 10% off.🔥 Support First Things Foundation field workers like Sarah (featured in this episode): https://first-things.org✈ Become a Field Worker with FTF: https://first-things.org/opportunities📢 First Things Telegram: https://t.me/firstthingsfoundation🍷The best dinner party you've ever experienced - Supra Dinner Society: https://supradinner.com/🥂 Keipi Restaurant: https://keipirestaurant.org✒ Substack: https://johnheersftf.substack.com/ⓧ https://x.com/johnfromftf🏖️ Tailormade tours that give back: https://www.gratitude-travels.com/hom__Credits Music: Intro / Outro Provided by Greg Gilbertson & BandChapters:00:00 New Atheism Fades00:53 Show Intro Sponsors03:02 Tech Setup YouTube Origins06:11 Reading Habits Background08:11 Art of Tamada Pitch13:29 Supra Meaning Experience17:30 Enlightenment As Paganism24:21 IQ Technocracy Critique25:47 Americanism Liberal Rights33:57 Tucker Everything Religious36:13 Systems Versus Virtue40:31 American Dream Myth42:26 Boomer Lies and Taxes43:46 Peace Corps Democracy Lesson47:02 Enlightenment vs Christian Nature53:54 From Kant to Postmodernism55:27 What Comes Next59:25 Politics Is Bureaucracy01:01:30 Comedy and Podcasting01:07:17 Thanks and Event Details01:14:09 Authenticity and Depression01:15:51 Opposable Thumbs Outro This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johnheersftf.substack.com/subscribe