Kate Clark

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  1. The 'people’s airline,' SpaceXAI, and the Enterprise AI Race

    8 DE MAI.

    The 'people’s airline,' SpaceXAI, and the Enterprise AI Race

    Everyone wants a piece of the enterprise AI pie, and this week, we saw a string of companies making their moves. From Anthropic and OpenAI announcing new joint ventures targeting enterprise AI deployment to SAP dropping $1B on German AI startup Prior Labs, it's becoming clear that if you're a startup building enterprise tools, you're likely an acquisition target.  On this episode of TechCrunch's Equity podcast, hosts Kirsten Korosec, Anthony Ha, and Sean O'Kane dig into the week's enterprise AI deals, the xAI-Anthropic compute arrangement, and what it all means ahead of what could be a big IPO season.  Listen to the full episode to hear about:  Why a TikToker is trying to crowdfund the purchase of Spirit Airlines, and whether anyone really loves Spirit enough to make it work  Why Katie Haun's venture fund and Andreessen Horowitz are both raising billions to back a crypto comeback  Aurora Innovation's milestone commercial trucking contract with a Berkshire Hathaway subsidiary, announced shortly after we caught up with Aurora’s CEO, Chris Urmson, at HumanX  The Pentagon's latest AI spending spree, inking deals with Nvidia, Microsoft, and AWS  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.    Chapters:  00:00 Intro  00:31 Spirit Airlines & the crowdfunded "people's airline"  03:25 xAI x Anthropic deal: is xAI becoming a NEO cloud?  13:47 Haun Ventures & a16z's crypto comeback  17:48 Aurora Innovation lands a commercial trucking contract  19:27 A big week for enterprise AI: who's actually making money?  26:45 The Pentagon's AI spending spree  31:04 Outro  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    33 min
  2. Apple's new CEO, and why Elon Musk wants to buy Cursor for $60B

    24 DE ABR.

    Apple's new CEO, and why Elon Musk wants to buy Cursor for $60B

    A new era is on the way for Apple as Tim Cook plans to step down from his CEO role in September, handing the reins to hardware chief John Ternus.   Ternus may be inheriting one of the most durable businesses in tech, but he’s also stepping into a very different ecosystem than the one Cook spent decades shaping. The App Store’s 30% cut is under pressure, the behind-the-scenes power Apple once held over developers is being challenged, and AI-native apps are changing what it means to build on Apple’s platform.  On this episode of TechCrunch’s Equity podcast, hosts Kirsten Korosec, Anthony Ha, and Sean O’Kane dig into what this transition means for startups and a closer look at some of the week’s biggest deals — including SpaceX's $60B option on Cursor.  Listen to the full episode to hear about:  Why Anthropic’s Mythos model is raising questions about both safety and marketing  The $5 billion Amazon-Anthropic deal that looks a lot like every other circular AI infrastructure play  What the SpaceX-Cursor agreement (and that $10 billion breakup fee) says about Elon Musk's AI strategy post-xAI merger  Why fintech Revolut and AI chip startup Cerebras' public market plans have us wondering whether this is actually the year the IPO market reopens  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.    Chapters:  00:00 Intro  00:26 Anthropic's Mythos accessed by “unauthorized groups”  04:28 Is Amazon's $5B Anthropic investment just another circular deal?  09:53 SpaceX and Cursor’s $60B option  18:25 Is this finally the year of the IPO?  21:38 SpaceX, Revolut, and Cerebras: the IPOs to watch  26:41 Tim Cook's retirement plans  29:15 What a new Apple CEO means for startups and the App Store  35:59 Outro  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    38 min
  3. Snowflake’s transition from storing data to shipping with it

    8 DE ABR.

    Snowflake’s transition from storing data to shipping with it

    Snowflake is betting that the future of AI isn’t just analyzing data, it’s acting on it. That means a shift away from chatbots and toward autonomous agents that can actually get work done. And Snowflake is reorganizing fast to keep up, from shipping hundreds of AI features to restructuring teams along the way.On this episode of TechCrunch’s Equity podcast, Rebecca Bellan sits down with Snowflake CEO Sridhar Ramaswamy to unpack the company’s transformation and what it signals about where AI is headed next. Listen to the full episode to hear: Why Ramaswamy believes the chatbot era is ending and the agentic era is beginning. How Snowflake is evolving from a data warehouse into an AI and applications platform. What “shipping with your data” actually looks like in practice. Why the company is making big internal changes to support its AI push. Subscribe to Equity on ⁠YouTube⁠,⁠ Apple Podcasts⁠,⁠ Overcast⁠,⁠ Spotify⁠ and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on⁠ X⁠ and⁠ Threads⁠, at @EquityPod.  Chapters: 00:00 Intro 00:17 Snowflake’s AI shift and agentic future 01:45 Why 2026 marks the end of chatbots 04:09 Cortex Code, Snowflake Intelligence, and new products 06:09 Who benefits: non-technical users & enterprises 07:35 Adoption challenges and why AI pilots fail 12:11 How AI is reshaping jobs and skills 14:39 Layoffs, automation, and the future of documentation 18:37 Snowflake’s evolution into an AI platform 21:04 Competition: Databricks, hyperscalers, and AI giants 25:01 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    27 min
  4. Did you know you can't steal a charity? Don't worry. Elon Musk will remind you.

    1 DE MAI.

    Did you know you can't steal a charity? Don't worry. Elon Musk will remind you.

    Elon Musk spent the better part of three days on the witness stand this week in his lawsuit against OpenAI, and it's already getting messy. Emails, texts, and his own tweets are surfacing in court, and there are plenty more witnesses to come. Musk's argument against OpenAI? By converting the company to a for-profit model, Sam Altman betrayed the “nonprofit for the benefit of humanity” mission Musk signed up to fund. As Musk keeps reminding the courtroom: “You can't steal a charity.”  On this episode of TechCrunch's Equity podcast, Kirsten Korosec and Sean O'Kane break down what's actually at stake in the courtroom and what to watch for as Altman and others take the stand, plus deals, defense tech, and what Big Tech's earnings week revealed about the limits of the AI spending era. Listen to the full episode to hear about: Why cloud was the winner of earnings week, and what AWS, Google, and Microsoft's numbers say about where enterprise AI spending is actually landing The scholarship app founder taking Sallie Mae to court after they acquired his startup…and began selling its student data to ad networks and universities BMW i Ventures new $300 million fund with its sights set on AI How defense tech startup Scout AI is pitching “military AGI” using vision-language-action (VLA) models Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    39 min
  5. Tokenmaxxing, OpenAI's shopping spree, and the AI Anxiety Gap

    17 DE ABR.

    Tokenmaxxing, OpenAI's shopping spree, and the AI Anxiety Gap

    The gap between AI insiders and everyone else is widening, and the spending, suspicion, and even new vocabulary are starting to show it. While OpenAI is busy buying up everything from finance apps to talk shows, a certain shoe company just rebranded as an AI infrastructure play, and Anthropic unveiled a model it says is too powerful to release publicly ...but apparently not too powerful to demo to Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell.  On this episode of TechCrunch's Equity podcast, Kirsten Korosec, Anthony Ha, and Sean O'Kane dig into what's actually being built in AI infrastructure, who's winning the enterprise battle between OpenAI and Anthropic, and more of the week's headlines.  Listen to the full episode to hear about:  Why chipmakers AMD, Arm, and Qualcomm just piled $60M into UK self-driving startup Wayve, and what Uber's $300M milestone bid says about who's winning the AV race  How data center startup Fluidstack is positioning itself for the frontier labs, including a reported $50B agreement with Anthropic  What Claude Code's moment at the HumanX conference reveals about where the OpenAI vs. Anthropic rivalry is actually playing out  Why tokenmaxxing, and Meta's leaked internal leaderboard, might say more about optics than actual productivity  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.    Chapters:  00:00 Intro  00:25 Allbirds is now an AI company, apparently  04:48 Why chipmakers are betting on Wayve  12:01 Fluidstack wants $1B to build AI data centers  16:24 OpenAI buys a finance app and a talk show  21:27 Anthropic vs. OpenAI in enterprise  24:15 The Anthropic model they won't release to the public  26:47 Why AI feels so distant to everyone else  30:47 What even is tokenmaxxing?  34:49 Parasail's $32M bet on cheaper AI inference  36:39 Outro  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    39 min
  6. Fusion doesn't have a normal startup timeline, and investors are fine with that

    22 DE ABR.

    Fusion doesn't have a normal startup timeline, and investors are fine with that

    Fusion energy has been "20 years away" for decades, but has the science finally caught up? Private investment in fusion companies surged from $10 billion to $15 billion in just months, and the money is coming from places you wouldn't expect.  On this episode of TechCrunch's Equity podcast, Rebecca Bellan and guest host Tim De Chant sit down with Rachel Slaybaugh, general partner at DCVC, to break down why serious investors are finally treating fusion as a real asset class, and what the return thesis actually looks like when no one expects a power plant in their fund lifetime.  Listen to the full episode to hear about:  Why the investment thesis for fusion looks less like traditional VC and more like biotech or SpaceX, and what "fusion euphoria" has to do with it  What the Q value milestone actually means, and how close leading startups are to hitting the number that could trigger a public market opening  How superconducting tape and AI-assisted plasma physics are quietly doing as much work as the big headline science breakthroughs  Why one fusion company merging with Trump Media and Technology Group had Tim doing a double-take at his inbox  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    34 min
  7. Is AI video just a prequel? Runway's CEO thinks world models are next

    29 DE ABR.

    Is AI video just a prequel? Runway's CEO thinks world models are next

    AI-generated video has gone from novelty to creative tool in AI-generated video has gone from novelty to creative tool almost overnight, and Runway has a front-row seat to the shift. The New York-based company has raised close to $860 million at a $5.3 billion valuation, and its models are going toe-to-toe with the most well-funded labs in the world, including Google and OpenAI.   And the technology goes way beyond making videos: it's now pushing into general world models with applications in gaming, robotics, and maybe something closer to general intelligence.  On this episode of TechCrunch's Equity podcast, host Rebecca Bellan sits down with co-founder and CEO Cristobal Valenzuela to talk about where video generation goes from here, and why Runway's ambitions now reach well beyond Hollywood.  Listen to the full episode to hear about:  Why Valenzuela thinks the real constraint on filmmaking has never been technology, and what changes when it is  How Runway thinks about world models differently than Google and other labs building in the space  What "nonlinear media" means, and why real-time video generation opens up use cases way beyond content creation  Why Valenzuela pushes back on the idea that AI companions are “inherently dystopian”  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.  Chapters:  00:00 Intro  00:56 Can AI really replace Hollywood?  04:18 Why "AI slop" fears miss the point  08:23 Research lab, software company, or creative studio?  13:42 From video generation to world models, explained  17:36 Omni models and multimodal training  17:50 The three pillars: linear media, non-linear media, physical AI  19:31 Real-time video and the "Characters" product  22:33 Are AI companions inherently dystopian?  25:59 Physical AI and robotics  28:35 Where growth is coming from: enterprise and prosumer  29:31 Outro  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    32 min
  8. Space: the final frontier of AI infrastructure

    3 DE ABR.

    Space: the final frontier of AI infrastructure

    Tech companies are racing to build data centers in space, pitching orbital compute as the next frontier for AI infrastructure, even as the technical and economic realities remain far from clear. Add in OpenAI’s massive $122 billion round and Bluesky’s latest AI backlash, and the message is clear: The future of AI is being shaped as much by ambition and hype as it is by real-world constraints.  On this episode of TechCrunch’s Equity podcast, Kirsten Korosec, Anthony Ha, and Sean O’Kane unpack these massive capital bets, user backlash, and off-world compute plans along with Whoop’s major valuation and the literal downfall of robot Olaf.   Listen to the full episode to hear about:  OpenAI’s $122 billion fundraise and what its near-trillion-dollar valuation says about expectations for AI.   Whoop’s $575 million raise and the shift toward “wearables 2.0” (and what happens to all that data).   Bluesky’s AI-powered feed builder and why it triggered a major user backlash.   The rise of data centers in space and whether they are financially or physically feasible.   Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.  Chapters: 00:00 Intro 00:20 A humanoid Olaf robot collapses at Disneyland Paris 03:30 OpenAI raises $122B at an $852B valuation 11:30 Whoop lands $575M and bets big on wearable data  18:50 The risks (and value) of personal health data 23:00 Bluesky’s AI feed builder sparks backlash 30:00 Can Bluesky keep growing — and compete with X? 36:30 The race to build data centers in space 44:30 SpaceX, Starlink, and the business of orbital compute 49:30 Outro  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    34 min
  9. Nvidia has an OpenClaw strategy. Do you?

    20 DE MAR.

    Nvidia has an OpenClaw strategy. Do you?

    Jensen Huang took the stage at Nvidia's GTC conference this week in his signature leather jacket to deliver a two-and-a-half-hour keynote, projecting $1 trillion in AI chip sales through 2027, declaring that every company needs an “OpenClaw strategy,” and closing with a rambling Olaf robot that had to get its mic cut. The message was hard to miss: Nvidia wants to be foundational to everything, from AI training to autonomous vehicles to Disney parks.  On this episode of TechCrunch's Equity podcast, Kirsten Korosec, Anthony Ha, and Sean O'Kane break down what Nvidia's growing web of AI infrastructure partnerships actually means for startups, and more of the week's headlines.  Listen to the full episode to hear about:  Travis Kalanick’s return building a "wheelbase for robots" with his new startup Atoms, and the crew has questions about Kalanick’s acquisitions along the way  Rivian’s partnership with Uber to build robotaxi versions of its R2 in a deal worth up to $1.25 billion, while pushing back its EBITDA target to do it  Frore landing a $1.64 billion valuation for its AI chip cooling systems  xAI rebooting, again, with only two of its original eleven co-founders still standing  Garry Tan's Claude Code setup went viral at SXSW (Spoiler: the crew is not impressed).  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.    Chapters:  00:00 Intro  00:20 Garry Tan's Claude Code setup goes viral at SXSW  03:37 Travis Kalanick is back with a new startup  12:51 Uber and Rivian's $1.25B RoboTaxi deal  20:54 Chip cooling startup Frore becomes a unicorn  22:56 Nvidia GTC recap: $1 trillion in sales projections  31:42 Elon Musk is rebooting xAI...again  36:37 Outro  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    38 min
  10. VCs are betting billions on AI's next wave, so why is OpenAI killing Sora?

    27 DE MAR.

    VCs are betting billions on AI's next wave, so why is OpenAI killing Sora?

    When an 82-year-old Kentucky woman was offered $26 million from an AI company that wanted to build a data center on her land, she said no. Sure, that same company can try to rezone 2,000 acres nearby anyway, but as AI infrastructure stretches further into the real world, the real world is starting to push back.  That tension is everywhere this week, from OpenAI shutting down its Sora app to courts finally starting to hold social platforms accountable. On this episode of TechCrunch's Equity podcast, Kirsten Korosec, Anthony Ha, and Sean O'Kane dig into what it looks like when the AI hype cycle meets reality.  Listen to the full episode to hear about:  Why rival prediction market CEOs of Kalshi and Polymarket are co-investing in a $35M VC fund  How drone startups like Zipline, Lucid Bots, and Brinc are finding real traction where other robotics plays have stalled  What Kleiner Perkins' $3.5B raise says about where the biggest VC firms think the next AI wave is going  Why two separate court verdicts against Meta in the same week could be the “tobacco moment” for social media  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.  Chapters:  00:00 Intro  00:30 Would you turn down $26M for your farm?  03:56 Rivals Kalshi & Polymarket CEOs are investing together  10:28 Deals for drones: Zipline, Brinc & Lucid Bots  18:17 Kleiner Perkins goes all-in on AI with $3.5B raise  22:52 OpenAI shuts down Sora  28:04 Meta gets hit with dual verdicts  34:56 Outro  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    37 min
  11. How Poppi went from a Shark Tank pitch to a $1.95B exit

    11 DE MAR.

    How Poppi went from a Shark Tank pitch to a $1.95B exit

    For years, venture capitalists have been skeptical of beverage startups, citing thin margins and brutal distribution as reasons most brands never break out. But a new wave of “functional soda” companies has been challenging that assumption, including Poppi, the prebiotic soda brand that grew from a kitchen experiment into a $1.95 billion acquisition by PepsiCo.  On this episode of TechCrunch’s Equity podcast, Rebecca Bellan is joined by Poppi co-founder Allison Ellsworth to talk about building a beverage startup in a venture world dominated by SaaS and AI. From pitching on Shark Tank while nine months pregnant to scaling a digital-first brand during COVID, and now returning as a Shark herself, Ellsworth shares how social media, fast marketing bets, and customer feedback helped turn a niche drink into a category-defining company.  Listen to the full episode to hear about:  Ellsworth’s Shark Tank return, and how she evaluates founders on the other side of the pitch.  How Ellsworth turned a personal health issue into Poppi and built early traction at farmers' markets.  Why TikTok and community-driven marketing helped the brand rack up billions of views and loyal fans.  The risky decision to buy a last-minute Super Bowl ad, and how the team executed it in days.  What it’s like selling a startup to PepsiCo while trying to preserve the brand’s identity.  Why beverage startups almost inevitably need acquisition-level distribution to scale.  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    28 min
  12. Who's really running AI? Inside the billion-dollar battle over regulation, with Alex Bores

    27 DE FEV.

    Who's really running AI? Inside the billion-dollar battle over regulation, with Alex Bores

    The Pentagon is playing chicken with Anthropic over who gets to control how the military uses AI while communities across the country are blocking data center construction. As the AI debate has been flattened to “doomers versus boomers,” one state legislator is attempting to walk a middle road.  On this episode of TechCrunch's Equity podcast, Rebecca Bellan sits down with Alex Bores, New York Assembly member and congressional candidate. Bores sponsored New York's first-of-its-kind AI safety law the RAISE Act — and quickly became the target of a Silicon Valley super PAC with $125 million to spend on attack ads.    Listen to the full episode to hear about:  The dueling super PACs now fighting over AI's future, and why Anthropic's $20 million bet on the pro-regulation side matters.  What the RAISE Act actually requires, why it's being called the blueprint for AI regulation nationwide.  Whether AI regulation ends up looking like finance and biotech or goes the way of social media — largely unregulated until the damage is done.  What's coming next from Bores’ office: bills on training data disclosure, content provenance, and a 43-point national AI framework.  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    23 min
  13. Why private wealth is cutting out the VC middleman

    1 DE ABR.

    Why private wealth is cutting out the VC middleman

    The VC middleman is getting cut out faster than anyone expected. Family offices and private wealth firms are going direct: writing checks, taking board seats, even incubating companies from scratch. And more founders are starting to notice. In February alone, family offices made 41 direct investments, including one Midwest-based firm that led a $230 million Series B into an AI chip startup.    On this episode of TechCrunch's Equity podcast, Rebecca Bellan caught up with Mitch Stein and Ari Schottenstein, founder and head of alternatives at ARENA Private Wealth, to find out what this shift means for founders, cap tables, and the future of AI investment.    Listen to the full episode to hear:  How Arena landed the lead on Positron's $230 million Series B, and why the CEO specifically wanted them on his cap table  How Arena does due diligence on technical companies  What "tourist capital" actually looks like, and the red flags founders should watch for as family offices flood into AI deals  Why some VCs are quietly unhappy about this trend (and why Arena thinks that's their problem)  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.    Chapters:  00:00 Intro   03:13 Why family offices are going direct now  06:03 The gen 2 & gen 3 family office shift  07:22 Is this strategic or just AI FOMO?  10:17 How Arena got into the Positron deal  14:30 Why founders want private wealth on their cap table  18:31 Due diligence on technical companies  21:56 Red flags founders should watch for  25:04 Are VCs threatened by this trend?  27:47 Taking board seats & level of involvement  34:17 Outro  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    32 min
  14. OpenAI and Anthropic are making their play for healthcare, and we're not surprised

    16 DE JAN.

    OpenAI and Anthropic are making their play for healthcare, and we're not surprised

    AI companies are clustering around healthcare and fast.  In just the past week, OpenAI bought health startup Torch, Anthropic launched Claude for Health, and Sam Altman-backed MergeLabs closed a $250 million seed round at an $850 million valuation. The money and products are pouring into health and voice AI, but so are concerns about hallucination risks, inaccurate medical information, and massive security vulnerabilities in systems handling sensitive patient data.  Today on TechCrunch’s Equity podcast, Kirsten Korosec, Anthony Ha, and Sean O'Kane dig into why the AI world is suddenly obsessed with health care, what other products can expect an AI-makeover, and more.  Listen to the full episode to hear:   How Anthropic's co-work tool could threaten Salesforce and other enterprise software giants  Bandcamp’s move against AI, banning AI-generated music from its platform  Why fusion energy is heating up, with startups like Type One Energy suddenly raising hundreds of millions  The latest on Luminar's bankruptcy and a potential bidding war overits LIDAR assets  Chapters:  00:00 - Introduction   00:29 - Waymo testing in New York City?  02:13 - Bandcamp bans AI-generated music   04:57 - Luminar's bankruptcy and LIDAR fire sale   10:28 - Type One Energy's fusion funding frenzy   16:10 - AI's healthcare land grab   23:28 - Voice AI deals heat up   25:26 - Anthropic's co-work tool threatens enterprise software  Subscribe to Equity on ⁠YouTube⁠,⁠ Apple Podcasts⁠,⁠ Overcast⁠,⁠ Spotify⁠ and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on⁠ X⁠ and⁠ Threads⁠, at @EquityPod.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    33 min
  15. The PhD students who became the judges of the AI industry

    18 DE MAR.

    The PhD students who became the judges of the AI industry

    Artificial intelligence models are multiplying fast, and competition is stiff. With so many players crowding the space, which one will be the best — and who decides that? Arena, formerly LM Arena, has emerged as the de facto public leaderboard for frontier LLMs, influencing funding, launches, and PR cycles. In just seven months, the startup went from a UC Berkeley PhD research project to being valued at $1.7 billion.  On this episode of TechCrunch's Equity podcast, Rebecca Bellan catches up with Arena co-founders Anastasios Angelopoulos and Wei-Lin Chiang to determine how a team like theirs can build a neutral benchmark when the companies they’re ranking are also their backers.  Listen to the full episode to hear:  How Arena actually works, and why its founders say you can't game it the way you mighta static benchmark.  What "structural neutrality" actually means, and whether taking money from OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic is a conflict of interest.  How Arena is moving beyond chat to benchmark agents, coding, and real-world tasks with a new enterprise product.  Why Claude is currently winning the expert leaderboard for legal and medical use cases.  Arena's bet on what comes after LLMs, and why agents are next on the leaderboard.  Subscribe to Equity on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod.    Chapters:  00:00 Intro  03:00 How Arena's leaderboard works, and why it's different from static benchmarks  07:00 Reproducibility concerns and how to scale  08:45 Can Arena stay independent while taking money from the labs it ranks?  11:15 Diversity, fraud prevention, and abuse mitigation  18:15 Arena's "data moat"  19:20 Agent benchmarking and expert leaderboards  21:40 Open sourcing data  22:45 How do Arena's rankings shape AI development?  24:15 Outro  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    26 min