A Messy Amen

Michelle Torrey

A Messy Amen welcomes you into the conversations you might not be having on Sundays. Do you ever feel like you want to get to know people more but you get the weird sense that no one can relate to your struggle? You show up to church, sing, listen to the sermon, and go home feeling forgotten, isolated, and frustrated? Here we will be sharing stories that help women of faith feel less alone. We will be honest in ways that may normally feel foreign and share how we hold on to faith and trust God in the ups and downs. 

  1. Jul 24

    You Are Not Unlovable

    Send us Fan Mail You Are Not Unlovable Before we get into it, a gentle heads up. This conversation walks through some real dark places, thoughts of suicide, an abusive marriage, and a story of sexual assault that stayed buried for years. If any of that is close to home for you today, take care of yourself while you listen, maybe save it for when you have space to sit with it. Okay, now let's talk about Elizabeth Rohn. She grew up Catholic, went to church every Sunday, and still walked away feeling like she wasn't good enough for God. Years in a toxic marriage, a diagnosis that she couldn't have kids, and a plan to end her life all led up to one night in the car when she heard a voice that wasn't hers. The pain you've been feeling can't compare to the joy that's coming. She didn't know it yet, but that was Romans 8:18. We talk about the dream where her dog Max stood guard while Jesus stood behind her with His hand on her shoulder. We talk about body dysmorphia, and about the day she finally caught her own reflection and saw something pretty. We talk about golden retrievers too, because Winston and Sawyer deserve their own segment honestly. Elizabeth's takeaway for you today, whatever isn't your fault, God can redeem. And whatever is your fault, God can redeem that too. Nobody is too far gone. You are not unlovable. Grab some merch over at amessyamenpod.com, where you'll find shirts, mugs, notebooks, a couple new trucker hats, and a brand new 30 day devotional.

    You Are Not Unlovable
  2. Jul 17

    Unified, Not Alone

    Send us Fan Mail Season 2 is here, and I'm kicking it off with my friend Laura Snedeker, a mom of two (with her third on the way), a photographer, and someone whose writing I've admired on Facebook for years before I ever got the guts to ask her to sit down with me. We talk about a lot in this one. Laura's move out of a stagnant season and into a faith that's actually hers, not just handed down from a pastor or a parent. What it's looked like to grieve two miscarriages and then, more recently, the loss of her dad. And a moment in a hotel lobby on a mission trip where a youth pastor told me something I haven't stopped thinking about since, that the enemy wants us to believe our grief is so unique, so different from everyone else's, that we end up isolated in it. That's really the heart of this episode. Whether it's a miscarriage, a hard childhood, a sleepless newborn, or losing someone you love, the enemy's favorite trick is convincing you that nobody else could possibly understand. But we are one body. Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn over all creation, which means He's not just our Savior, He's our brother too. He wept for Lazarus before He ever raised him. He grieves with us. Laura also gets real about mothering through fear, letting go of the all-or-nothing pressure around quiet time, and why she'll never again tell a grieving friend how lucky she was that her own situation turned out easier. Spoiler, that's not as encouraging as people think it is. A few things we referenced if you want to go deeper: Grace Like Scarlett by Adriel Booker, on grief and going under the wave instead of just trying to stay afloat. Psalm 27, especially verse 13, on forcing yourself to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Lamentations 3, both the "his mercies are new every morning" verses and verse 31, "for no one is abandoned by the Lord forever." Job, as proof that deep grief and unanswered questions have never been a sign of weak faith. If you've ever felt like your grief, your struggle, or your mess disqualifies you from being understood, this episode is for you. You are not alone, and your amen doesn't have to be pristine to count. Grab the Messy Amen merch, including the "you're not alone" shirt, at amessyamenpod.com. Find us on TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook, and listen on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Pocket Casts. If this episode meets you where you're at, leave a review or send it to a friend who needs it this week.

    Unified, Not Alone
  3. Jul 11

    Season 1: The Good, the Bad, and the Holy

    Send us Fan Mail We made it through a whole season of A Messy Amen, and before we dive deeper into Season 2, we’re taking a minute to look back. Season 1 was thirteen episodes of real people telling the truth about the hard stuff. The stuff most of us only ever carry in private. In this recap, we’re revisiting some of the moments that have stuck with me long after the mics turned off. We talked about forgiveness we thought we’d already done, and the chains we didn’t know we were still dragging around. We talked about walking through cancer four separate times, and the anxiety that piled on after, and how gratitude and fear cannot live in the same breath. We talked about being told your whole life that you’re “too much,” and finding out God calls it the right amount. We talked about gratitude, and turning a whole crate of lemons into something you can actually drink. We laughed. We cried. Sometimes in the same five minutes. Nobody came on with a tidy little story where faith made all the hard parts painless, because that is not real life. This is the stuff we wouldn’t choose ourselves, but God can use for good. The good, the bad, and the holy parts, every bit of it. If a guest or a moment meant something to you, go back and listen to the full episode. And if you’re brand new here, this is the perfect place to start before Season 2 rolls on. God made you on purpose and for a purpose. I’m so glad you’re here. You are not alone here. 🙏 Read the full Season 1 recap on Substack: [https://substack.com/@amessyamenpod] Watch every episode on YouTube: [https://www.youtube.com/@AMessyAmenPod] Mugs, journals, bookmarks, and the “You’re not alone here” shirts: amessyamenpod.com Come say hi: @amessyamenpod

  4. Jul 3

    Redirected, Not Rejected

    Send us Fan Mail Part Two with Sunni Henry Man, when Sunni told me part one didn't even scratch the surface, I believed her, but I was not ready for this one. We pick right back up and go deep, and I mean DEEP. Sunni walks us through the last ten years of her life, and honestly, I still get chills thinking about it. Seven strokes. An aortic dissection with less than a one percent survival rate, where the helicopter got canceled because of an ice storm and she fought for over nine hours with nothing but the Lord in that ambulance. She died on the operating table and met Jesus. She got to see her son who is in heaven. If that is not a picture of but God, I don't know what is. But this episode is not just about the miracles in her body, it is about the miracles in her heart. We talk about the abuse she carried from childhood, the words her earthly father spoke over her, and how she didn't even realize she had put God in the same box as her dad until she came face to face with Jesus. We talk about losing friends, being called too much, being called extra, and how Sunni flipped every one of those labels right back around. That is where this title comes from. Sunni said it herself, if someone leaves you, it is not that you are rejected, you are redirected by God. Oh, that's so good. We also get into discernment as a gift that can be heavy to carry, learning to use your voice instead of shrinking it, and what it actually looks like to collect joy instead of collecting stuff. This one is for anyone who has ever felt like they were too much for a room. You are not too much. You were never trash. You were made on purpose and for a purpose. Verses mentioned:  -Isaiah 43 (you are mine, and I am doing a new thing)  -1 Corinthians 12 (we are all one body with different parts) -Esther 4:14  -1 Samuel 17 -John 10 (the Good Shepherd) -1 Kings 19 (Elijah resting and eating in his exhaustion) Themes covered: Miraculous healing and survival, childhood abuse and the father wound, separating God from an earthly father's rejection, discernment as a spiritual gift, redirection instead of rejection, being called too much and using your voice anyway, Christian recovery, collecting joy, losing and finding identity outside of motherhood I'm so glad you're here for this one. If it met you somewhere today, go check out the merch over at amessyamenpod.com, and if you've got a minute, leave a review. It genuinely helps other people find these stories.

    Redirected, Not Rejected
  5. Jun 19

    Perfectionism, Pressure, and the 110% Problem

    Send us Fan Mail Some of the hardest stuff we carry, we carry quietly. We show up on Sunday, we smile, we serve, and nobody knows the candle is burning at both ends until it finally goes out. This week I sat down with Pastor Jim Westheim, who has spent 40 years in ministry, and he got honest about something a lot of us are scared to say out loud. Burnout. Depression. Anxiety. The kind of compassion fatigue where you give and give and give until one day there is just nothing left in the tank. Jim told me about the flight home from a missions trip in Honduras, the moment he realized he wasn’t okay. The same work that used to light him up was suddenly draining him dry, and he couldn’t pray it away. We talked about the perfectionism he used to wear like a badge, the “110%” lie so many of us believe God is asking for, and the slow, holy work of learning that God just wants your best, not your everything-all-the-time. He also walked us through the real tools that brought him back. Watching your self-talk. Managing anger instead of letting it manage you. Protecting yourself from people who only pour negativity into your life. Refueling emotionally with the things that actually fill you back up. Staying alert to your own warning signs before the crash comes. And then we went where the church doesn’t always go. MEDICATION. Jim shared his own story of finally holding that first pill in his hand and not wanting to take it, and the friend who told him, “this is going to be okay, and you may not have to be on this forever.” If a chemical imbalance needs balancing, that is not a failure of faith. We don’t think twice when someone takes thyroid medicine or eye drops. Mental health gets to be on that list too. This one took me to church, friends. We wove in Philippians 4:6-8, Isaiah 26:3, and John 14:27, that gift of peace the world cannot give and cannot take. Perfect peace doesn’t mean everything around you is perfect. It just means you’re getting back to a healthy place on the inside, and God can absolutely meet you there. If you’ve been running on empty and wondering if that makes you a bad Christian, oh friend, I think this episode will meet you right where you’re at. You don’t have to have it all together to show up here. 💛 Mentioned in this episode: Unshakable You by John Opeluski (formerly Pastor Disaster), available on Amazon Philippians 4:6-8, Isaiah 26:3, John 14:27 Head over to Substack for the companion devotional, and check out the link tree for the mug, the t-shirt, the bookmarks, all of it. I’m so glad you’re here. You are not alone here. A Messy Amen.

    Perfectionism, Pressure, and the 110% Problem
  6. Jun 12

    Cancer, Calm, and Clinging to Christ

    Send us Fan Mail What do you do when the trial comes back... again? This week I'm sitting down with Holly Maltby, who has walked through cancer not once, not twice, but FOUR times since 2019. And just when she thought the hardest part was behind her, a three year battle with anxiety showed up next. Holly gets honest about the panic attacks, the nights she didn't want to be on this earth anymore, and the moment a wrong word in the ER landed her somewhere she never expected to be. But this conversation is not about the mess winning. It's about a woman who kept leaning in when she had every reason to pull away. Holly shares the verses she carried in her work pocket like lifelines, the gratitude practice that rewired her anxious brain, and how a prayer team became the hands and feet of Jesus when she couldn't stand on her own. And then God did something only He could do. After a lifetime of singleness, after obediently walking away from a relationship in her 40s, Holly is getting married this October. To my father-in-law. Yes, you read that right, and yes, I take a little credit 😂 God's in the details, friends. In this episode we talk about: Walking through cancer four times and what it does to your faithAnxiety, panic attacks, and the raw stuff we don't say on SundaysGratitude as a weapon, because your brain can't hold anxiety and thankfulness at the same timeLifelong singleness, obedience, and a love story only God could writeKey verses: Philippians 4:6-7, 2 Timothy 1:7, Deuteronomy 31:8, Isaiah 41:10, and Holly's favorite, Proverbs 3:5-6 Don't lose your hope. God is always with you, even when you can't feel Him. The matching devotional with reflection questions is waiting for you over on Substack, and you can find that, the merch shop, and everything else at linktr.ee/Amessyamenpod You're not alone here. I'm so glad you're here. 🙏

    Cancer, Calm, and Clinging to Christ
  7. Jun 5

    Scars, Surrender, and Starting Over

    Send us Fan Mail Michelle sits down with Nathanial Souder for one of the most raw and redemptive conversations the show has ever held. From a lonely childhood with no one to turn to, to a blood oath with an outlaw motorcycle club, to being kidnapped, tortured, and escaping with his life, Nathanial's story is not a quiet one. And it didn't stop there. A rare brain condition that no surgeon in Michigan would touch. A 50/50 chance of dying on the table at Mayo Clinic. A motorcycle accident one year to the day of that surgery. Three times God said not yet, and Nathanial wasn't even sure he believed in Him yet. What Nathanial was looking for his whole life was belonging. He found a version of it in the wrong place, and it nearly cost him everything. But underneath all of it was a man who decided at eight years old he would not repeat what he had seen, a man who carried more shame than he knew what to do with, and a man whose daughters eventually asked him to come to church with them. He came. And something shifted. This episode sits with the hard stuff, the counterfeit versions of brotherhood, the things we do that we still carry, the generational patterns we swear we will break and then have to actually fight to break. And it lands on a God who sweeps it all away like a cloud. Nathanial's own words say it best: his past doesn't define him. It refines him. If you have ever wondered whether you are too far gone for God to reach, this episode is your answer. KEY VERSES Isaiah 44:22 — "I have swept away your transgressions like a cloud and your sins like mist. Return to me, for I have redeemed you." Isaiah 43:1-2 — "Do not fear, for I have redeemed you. I have called you by name, you are mine." Galatians 2:20 — "It is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me." Psalm 107:2 — "Has the Lord redeemed you? Then speak out. Tell others he has redeemed you from your enemies." "My past doesn't define me. But my past refines me. And I feel redeemed." Nathanial Souder There is a companion devotional for this episode over on Substack, and new merch is available now in the shop. Both are linked in the link tree at linktr.ee/Amessyamenpod. Come find us on socials at @amessyamenpod and we will see you next time.

    Scars, Surrender, and Starting Over

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A Messy Amen welcomes you into the conversations you might not be having on Sundays. Do you ever feel like you want to get to know people more but you get the weird sense that no one can relate to your struggle? You show up to church, sing, listen to the sermon, and go home feeling forgotten, isolated, and frustrated? Here we will be sharing stories that help women of faith feel less alone. We will be honest in ways that may normally feel foreign and share how we hold on to faith and trust God in the ups and downs.