A Messy Amen

Michelle Torrey

A Messy Amen welcomes you into the conversations you might not be having on Sundays. Do you ever feel like you want to get to know people more but you get the weird sense that no one can relate to your struggle? You show up to church, sing, listen to the sermon, and go home feeling forgotten, isolated, and frustrated? Here we will be sharing stories that help women of faith feel less alone. We will be honest in ways that may normally feel foreign and share how we hold on to faith and trust God in the ups and downs. 

  1. 3d ago

    I Need You to Survive: The Song That Stopped Everything

    Send us Fan Mail What do you do when you have been knocked down so many times that you stop expecting to get back up? Desirae Decena grew up sort of Catholic. Baptized as a baby, communion, reconciliation, all the boxes checked, and none of it ever became a relationship. She lost her daughter at sixteen after going into labor at twenty two weeks. She walked away from an abusive relationship because she did not want her son growing up watching it. She moved out of town to build a better life, moved back home when that did not work, and broke her ankle within a month of getting there. That is where she landed at the lowest point of her life, carrying a plan she had not said out loud to a single person. Then she was working third shift, alone in the back, music on shuffle, nothing about it spiritual, and one song came on. I Need You to Survive. She said everything stopped. We talk about prayers she memorized but never meant, buying a King James Bible because somebody told her that was the right one and then not understanding a word of it, and the prayer that changed everything: God, open my eyes and let me see people for who they really are. He answered it, and it cost her people. Desiree is the first believer in her family, and now her mom is asking who Jesus is, her brother has Him tattooed on his arm, and she is leading a Bible study over video call with the women in her family. John 3:16 and 1 Corinthians 13 both come up. So does the fact that she says this is the loneliest season of her life and she does not feel lonely at all. One heads up before you press play. Desirae talks openly about losing her daughter and about a season where she planned to end her life. If you are sitting in that place today, please tell somebody. In the US you can call or text 988 any time, day or night. Episode is live everywhere you listen and on YouTube. If you want to keep going, there are episode guides, verse cards, and journals over at amessyamenpod.com/shop. I am so glad you are here. Thank you for being here, you're never alone.

    I Need You to Survive: The Song That Stopped Everything
  2. Aug 28

    From Drug Dealing to Discipleship: A Story God Rewrote

    Send us Fan Mail What do you do when the people who knew you back then look at the person you are now and say, who even are you? Ben Reinhart grew up in Beecher, on the north end of Flint, and by 15 he was initiated into a gang. By 16 he had figured out how to make money in it, sitting in a basement across a desk from a man surrounded by trash bags, moving about $2,500 a week. He went to college, came back, worked for GM, got married, got divorced, moved home to help his mom, and then found a whole new crowd and a whole new product. That ran from 2008 to 2012. He never used any of it. He was too scared. Drinking was his thing. And then in December of 2015, at a business conference in an arena in Arizona, a man on stage said the word God out loud, and Ben and his wife looked at each other like, did he just say that? They went to the early service on Sunday morning out of pure curiosity, and she turned to him afterward and said she had found something she didn't even know she was looking for. We talk about the six months they filled out a visitor card at a new church and nobody called them back, and how they kept showing up anyway because they knew God had put them there. We talk about April 18, 2016, and a woman they now call their church mom. We talk about Job, and Proverbs 3:5-6, and the sermon on tithing that led to a grocery run with $14 in the bank, and a Jeep sitting outside the church with a bow on it. Ben said it best. It's only God. There was no way that was him. Ben is on the discipleship team at Rock Church in Anchor Bay, Michigan, where he helped build a class called Foundational Truths. Episode is live now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. Merch, journals, and the new honest prayer cards are all at amessyamenpod.com. Thank you for being here!

    From Drug Dealing to Discipleship: A Story God Rewrote
  3. Aug 22

    Faith, Fitness, Finding the Way Back to God

    Send us Fan Mail I met Ryan Hufford in the Dominican Republic on a mission trip, and it turned out he lives right here in Michigan. What are the odds, right? No coincidences with God. Ryan came into this one with a story most people would try to tidy up before they told it. A divorce, a patch on his back, years of running hard in a direction he never planned to go. He talks about how it happened slowly, one degree at a time, the way it always does. And then his oldest son showed up in his life again and everything started turning back the other way. Ryan says his son saved him. His son says it was the other way around. We got into a lot in this conversation. How good things can quietly become idols, including fitness and food and even our own routines. Why men's mental health gets pushed aside. What it means to wear the righteousness of Christ instead of leaving it hanging in the closet. Ryan's love for Ecclesiastes, which I did not see coming and now I kind of get it. We compared Bible translations, we talked about Revelation, and he read me Philippians 4:6 out of a Hawaiian Pidgin Bible, which I still cannot stop thinking about. 😂 Underneath all of it is the thing that keeps coming up on this show. The enemy wants you to believe your mess is unique and that nobody could possibly understand it. Somebody does. Especially Him. Verses we touched: 1 Timothy 4:8, John 3:3, Philippians 4:6, Ecclesiastes 4:9-12, Revelation 13:15 Heads up, we talk openly about suicide and mental health in this episode. If you are struggling, please don't sit in it alone. You can call or text 988 anytime. Grab a mug, a tee, or one of the digital products at amessyamenpod.com, including the new verse card deck, 52 cards across 13 categories to meet you in whatever you're walking through. If this one meets you where you're at, share it with somebody who needs it. We never know who will need to hear a story. You are not alone here. 🙏 @amessyamenpod

    Faith, Fitness, Finding the Way Back to God
  4. Aug 14

    Gaming for the Glory

    Send us Fan Mail Most of us have heard somebody say video games are a waste of time, or worse, that a grown man playing them just needs to grow up already. Dylan has heard all of it. He has also spent the last five years watching God use a game controller to bring people to Jesus. Dylan was a youth pastor for 13 years, starting when he was 17. During COVID he was in Louisiana, barely knew anybody, and started streaming just to make some friends. Then he saw somebody preach the gospel while playing Legend of Zelda and thought, that's it, that's what I want to do. In the first two years, about 75 people came to Christ just from playing Call of Duty with strangers. In May of 2025 he posted one video inviting Christian gamers into community. Two thousand people joined in 24 hours. Today that community is around 16,000 people with 300 leaders, more than 500 people saved since October, over 60 set free from addiction, and a nonprofit in the works. Their slogan says everything you need to know:  till every gamer hears the gospel. But the mess came first, and Dylan doesn't skip over it. He talks about a childhood that came apart after his mom's postpartum turned into psychosis, being raised by his dad and his grandma, meeting real love for the first time at a youth service at 16, a first marriage that ended in betrayal, resigning from a ministry job over somebody else's mistake, and years of quietly fighting an addiction while still showing up to preach on Sunday. He finally hit the end of his rope in 2024 and told God he was done trying to be the star of the show. He's two years free now. And the day he celebrated one year free was the same day he got fired and watched 5,000 people flood into the community. That's a God thing. We also get into: The silliest arguments people throw at gamers, and the one that actually needed a serious answerPraying with total strangers in open mic lobbies, where people crouch their characters down to kneelWhy so many believers feel disconnected at church, and what real community does to a person once they finally have itJoshua 1:9, Romans 8:11, and Philippians 4, and why the NLT reads like a friend talking to youWhat it actually looks like to surrender the same thing over and over until you really let it goIf you have ever been told that your hobby, your job, or your past disqualifies you from being useful to God, sit with this one. God made you on purpose and for a purpose, and there is not a single place He wouldn't want to reach. Find Dylan on Instagram @deadlydillgaming Merch, past episodes, and everything else at amessyamenpod.com You are not alone here. 🙏

    Gaming for the Glory
  5. Aug 7

    Big Family, Small Miracles, and Long Days

    Send us Fan Mail What do you do when the answer is not "she's healthy" and it's not "she's dying," but something in between that you have to live in every single day? Bonnie Jimenez grew up as number three of seven, the oldest of five girls, homeschooled and then private schooled and then homeschooled again. She met her husband Michael waiting tables, invited him to church, and watched him come to faith. Now they have three little girls and a life that looks a lot fuller than either of them planned. Their oldest was born with a rare liver condition.  Bonnie walks us through the early appointments when nothing was adding up, the drive to Ann Arbor when everything felt urgent, and the strange place they sit in now, where things are managed but never far from her mind. She is honest about how she copes differently than her husband does, and why she stays off the support groups he finds so helpful.  Then the conversation turns, because Bonnie is fired up about the book of Isaiah and it shows. We get into studying scripture instead of skimming it, cross references, commentaries, the Blue Letter Bible app, and why this kind of digging is not reserved for pastors and seminary students. It's for the mom who is nap trapped with a phone in her hand. In this episode we talk about: Growing up in a big family, and what it really looked like behind the scenesWorking full time while raising three little onesParenting a child with a medical diagnosis, and living without a tidy answerHandling hard news when you and your spouse process it differentlyNot forgetting the other kids when one child needs so muchLeaving legalism behind and landing on Romans 8:1How to actually study the Bible, not just read a chapter and check it offKey verses: Romans 8:1, Romans 12:1-2, Hebrews 12:1, Hebrews 4:12, James 1:22-25 Bonnie says it plain: keep it light, and stay in the word. Not the skim, the study. If you are in a season where nothing is resolved and nothing is fixed and you are just trying to hold steady, this one is for you. Head to Substack for this week's companion devotional, and find everything else at amessyamenpod.com. You are not alone here. 🙏@amessyamenpod amessyamenpod.com

  6. Aug 4

    Know Your Worth

    Send us Fan Mail Some friendships start with a duster and a mutual love of stationary.  Pam Isom worked at the Faith Christian bookstore, and one day I walked in with my daughter having a very not okay moment. Pam asked if I needed help. I said she needs a job. Pam went behind the counter, grabbed a duster, handed it to Lydia, and that was it. We have been friends ever since. Pam has been in the word since she was five years old. She asked to be saved at seven and did not fully know what she was signing up for, but that yearning never left her. She raised two kids six years apart, worked at a homeless shelter where God showed her what she was actually built for, and is now an empowerment coach at the YWCA. The girls she has poured into call her Mama Pam. They still call her when they need prayer. She is also a widow. When her husband passed suddenly, everything she knew was gone overnight, and the foundation she had been building since she was a little girl is the only reason she is still standing. She talks in this episode about crying on her bed with a mortgage she could not cover on one income, and what happened an hour later when the phone rang. Now she is starting a nonprofit called I'm A Wife Ministries, because she wants girls to know their worth before somebody else tries to tell them what it is. Not a side chick. Not just a baby mama. A wife. And she wants to start teaching that at age ten. In this episode we talk about: Raising kids with respect instead of fear, and why Pam never had to give a spankingWhat we shelter our kids from and why it matters more than we thinkWhy nobody is teaching girls their value, and how the church and parents both assume the other one is doing itFinding time in the word as a young mom when there is no timeWhat Pam is learning right now in the book of Acts, and why Stephen the martyr stopped her coldThe difference between empowering women and telling them to follow their heartChristian phrases we repeat that are not actually in the BibleMeeting people where they are instead of beating them up with the BibleLosing her husband suddenly, and the two moments God answered so specifically she cried in a parking lotWhere I'm A Wife Ministries is headed, from meet and greets to seminars to a 90 day mentorship programKey verses from this conversation: Psalm 46:10, "Be still, and know that I am God"Psalm 23, the first thing Pam ever memorizedActs 7, Stephen asking God to forgive the people stoning himTitus 2:3-5, older women teaching the younger women2 Timothy 2:15, study to show yourself approvedIf you have ever felt like you missed your window to be poured into, or like you are the one who is supposed to be pouring and you have no idea what you are doing, this one is for you. We need each other. We need women older than us who are humble enough to be kind about what they know. Find Pam on Instagram and Facebook at I'm A Wife Ministries. Head to the Substack for this week's devotional that goes along with the episode, and grab everything else at the link below. You are not alone here. 🙏 Visit us HERE! Grab some merch!

  7. Jul 24

    You Are Not Unlovable

    Send us Fan Mail You Are Not Unlovable Before we get into it, a gentle heads up. This conversation walks through some real dark places, thoughts of suicide, an abusive marriage, and a story of sexual assault that stayed buried for years. If any of that is close to home for you today, take care of yourself while you listen, maybe save it for when you have space to sit with it. Okay, now let's talk about Elizabeth Rohn. She grew up Catholic, went to church every Sunday, and still walked away feeling like she wasn't good enough for God. Years in a toxic marriage, a diagnosis that she couldn't have kids, and a plan to end her life all led up to one night in the car when she heard a voice that wasn't hers. The pain you've been feeling can't compare to the joy that's coming. She didn't know it yet, but that was Romans 8:18. We talk about the dream where her dog Max stood guard while Jesus stood behind her with His hand on her shoulder. We talk about body dysmorphia, and about the day she finally caught her own reflection and saw something pretty. We talk about golden retrievers too, because Winston and Sawyer deserve their own segment honestly. Elizabeth's takeaway for you today, whatever isn't your fault, God can redeem. And whatever is your fault, God can redeem that too. Nobody is too far gone. You are not unlovable. Grab some merch over at amessyamenpod.com, where you'll find shirts, mugs, notebooks, a couple new trucker hats, and a brand new 30 day devotional.

    You Are Not Unlovable
  8. Jul 17

    Unified, Not Alone

    Send us Fan Mail Season 2 is here, and I'm kicking it off with my friend Laura Snedeker, a mom of two (with her third on the way), a photographer, and someone whose writing I've admired on Facebook for years before I ever got the guts to ask her to sit down with me. We talk about a lot in this one. Laura's move out of a stagnant season and into a faith that's actually hers, not just handed down from a pastor or a parent. What it's looked like to grieve two miscarriages and then, more recently, the loss of her dad. And a moment in a hotel lobby on a mission trip where a youth pastor told me something I haven't stopped thinking about since, that the enemy wants us to believe our grief is so unique, so different from everyone else's, that we end up isolated in it. That's really the heart of this episode. Whether it's a miscarriage, a hard childhood, a sleepless newborn, or losing someone you love, the enemy's favorite trick is convincing you that nobody else could possibly understand. But we are one body. Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn over all creation, which means He's not just our Savior, He's our brother too. He wept for Lazarus before He ever raised him. He grieves with us. Laura also gets real about mothering through fear, letting go of the all-or-nothing pressure around quiet time, and why she'll never again tell a grieving friend how lucky she was that her own situation turned out easier. Spoiler, that's not as encouraging as people think it is. A few things we referenced if you want to go deeper: Grace Like Scarlett by Adriel Booker, on grief and going under the wave instead of just trying to stay afloat. Psalm 27, especially verse 13, on forcing yourself to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Lamentations 3, both the "his mercies are new every morning" verses and verse 31, "for no one is abandoned by the Lord forever." Job, as proof that deep grief and unanswered questions have never been a sign of weak faith. If you've ever felt like your grief, your struggle, or your mess disqualifies you from being understood, this episode is for you. You are not alone, and your amen doesn't have to be pristine to count. Grab the Messy Amen merch, including the "you're not alone" shirt, at amessyamenpod.com. Find us on TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook, and listen on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Pocket Casts. If this episode meets you where you're at, leave a review or send it to a friend who needs it this week.

    Unified, Not Alone

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A Messy Amen welcomes you into the conversations you might not be having on Sundays. Do you ever feel like you want to get to know people more but you get the weird sense that no one can relate to your struggle? You show up to church, sing, listen to the sermon, and go home feeling forgotten, isolated, and frustrated? Here we will be sharing stories that help women of faith feel less alone. We will be honest in ways that may normally feel foreign and share how we hold on to faith and trust God in the ups and downs.