Above the Sides

Pono Shim, Molly Mamaril

Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai’i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

  1. 4D AGO

    Finding the Medicine Within: Healing and Education with Cherilyn Inouye

    In this episode of Above the Sides, Cherilyn Inouye, who serves as Compassionate Koolau’s District Education Specialist, shares her winding journey through education, community work, and aloha centered leadership in Hawaii. Grounded in place, story, and ike kupuna, Cherilyn reflects on how listening deeply and honoring aina have shaped her path from classroom teacher to community connector. She speaks candidly about trauma informed education, the power of Foundations of Aloha, and the mentors and communities that continue to inspire her hana. Through stories from schools and fishponds to loi kalo and chance meetings, Cherilyn illustrates what aloha looks like in daily practice. Mahalo for listening!   Learn more about Compassionate Koolau. Episode Highlights 01:09 Cherilyn’s background and roots 02:45 Her path into education 03:47 Teaching and early career 06:09 Advanced studies and pivotal experiences 18:50 Foundations of Aloha 23:55 Reflecting on the gift of lessons 24:59 Grounding in Aloha values 26:02 Integrating Aloha in education 28:45 Challenges and personal growth 32:18 Aloha in the community 40:32 Compassionate Koolau 45:20 Final thoughts Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai’i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

    48 min
  2. JAN 13

    From Listening to Doing: Centering Community Voice in Economic Development with Brent Kakesako (HACBED)

    In this episode of Above the Sides, we sit down with Brent Kakesako, Executive Director of the Hawaiʻi Alliance for Community-Based Economic Development (HACBED). Brent shares stories from his upbringing in Honolulu, Hawai'i and reflects on the experiences that shaped his path into community-based economic development. We explore HACBED’s approach to development rooted in active listening, facilitation, and uplifting community voice. The conversation also touches on aloha in action and Brent’s connection to Pono Shim and the integration of the aloha values into his day-to-day life. We hope you find this conversation to be a thoughtful look at how values, relationships, and place-based work can shape a more caring and connected future for Hawaii. Learn more about HACBED at: https://hacbed.org/ Episode Highlights 00:52 Brent's Background  01:57 HACBED's Mission and Approach 02:40 Programs and Community Impact 07:36 The Power of Active Listening 10:29 Brent's Journey into Economic Development 17:57 Influence of Mentors and Community Connections 20:07 Aloha in Action and Personal Reflections 25:40 Navigating Parenting 25:51 Understanding Oluolu  26:40 Incorporating Aloha in Daily Life 27:09 Honoring Mentors and Community Values 27:39 Economic Development Grounded in Values 27:59 Hopes for Hawaii's Economy 28:45 Challenges and Opportunities in Community Work 32:34 Institutional Commitment to Community 37:44 What is Enough? Workplace Culture and Wellbeing - 4 Day, 32 Hour Work Weeks 45:33 Reflections on Aloha and Community Engagement Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai’i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

    49 min
  3. 12/08/2025

    Where East Meets West: Celeste Connors on Diplomacy Grounded in Aloha

    In this episode, Celeste Connors, the new President of the East‑West Center in Honolulu, shares how Hawaiʻi’s core value of aloha can guide global diplomacy. Raised in Hawaiʻi with over 25 years of experience as a U.S. diplomat and policy advisor, she brings a distinctive island‑rooted perspective to international relations. Listeners will hear stories of how aloha values such as care, respect, and relationality shape complex global conversations and foster meaningful cross‑cultural connections. Influenced by her dear friend and colleague, the late Pono Shim, she reflects on how Hawaiʻi can serve as a bridge within the Asia-Pacific region, cultivating mutual understanding and shared values through the work of the East‑West Center - and beyond. This conversation offers a fresh, values-driven vision of diplomacy that centers humanity and hope. Episode Highlights 01:56 Celeste Connors' Career Journey 03:41 First Foreign Service Assignment 04:30 International Assignments and Graduate School 06:36 Return to the White House 07:58 Sustainability and the SDGs 10:08 Returning to Hawaii 12:09 Hawaii Green Growth and Community Impact 19:16 Meeting Pono Shim and Coming Home 27:11 The Essence of Aloha in Achieving SDGs 27:58 Hawaii's Leadership and the Aloha+ Challenge 29:53 Hawaii's Next Generation of Leaders 33:56 Reflections on Global Movements and Peace Seekers 35:42 Hopes for Hawaii's Economic Future 39:09 Honoring Pono Shim 48:21 The Role of the East West Center 54:06 Final Reflections   Resources East‑West Center – Promoting Asia‑Pacific dialogue and research Hawaiʻi Green Growth – Advancing sustainable growth and environmental stewardship Aloha+ Challenge – Hawaiʻi’s statewide sustainability and SDG initiative Aloha+ Challenge Program Details – Learn more about Hawaiʻi’s action plan for the SDGs Aina Aloha Economic Futures – Supporting Hawaiʻi’s sustainability and community initiatives United Nations Sustainable Development Goals – Global framework for sustainable development Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai’i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

    56 min
  4. 11/18/2025

    Cultivating an “Above the Sides” Approach with Cat Awakuni Colón, Dori Baba, Tyler Mejia and Molly Mamaril

    Mahalo for tuning in to our 50th episode! For the first time, the Oahu Economic Development Board team - Cat Awakuni Colón (President & CEO), Dori Baba (Operations Manager), Tyler Mejia (Community Outreach & Compliance Specialist), and Molly Mamaril (Community Innovation Connector) - comes together to talk  OEDB’s effort to bring aloha and care into business practices. They share about the origins of the “Above the Sides” podcast and how Pono Shim’s commitment to storytelling continues to drive their approach to community-based economic development and their vision for Hawaii’s future. The team discusses various community-facing programs, offers personal stories, and reflects on striving to live in reverence of aloha in everyday life. The conversation closes with advice for the next generation and what’s ahead for the nonprofit. Mahalo for listening. Episode Highlights 01:51 Meet the OEDB Team: Cat, Dori, Tyler, Molly 05:11 The Origin Story of 'Above the Sides' Podcast 11:23 Continuing Uncle Pono's Storytelling Legacy 20:58 Vision for Hawaii's Future 24:39 OEDB's Approach to Economic Development 36:28 Personal Stories of Aloha 40:45 Aloha in Pop Culture (Movie Recommendations) 42:22 Reflecting on the Aloha Connects Innovation (ACI) Program 46:14 Honoring Uncle Pono Shim 53:23 Personal Stories and Lessons Learned 58:03 Advice for the Next Generation 01:02:30 Planting Seeds for Hawaii's Future 01:09:05 Favorite Memories and Team Dynamics 01:14:59 On the Horizon Learn more about the Oahu Economic Development Board: https://www.oedb.biz Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai’i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

    1h 18m
  5. 09/08/2025

    The Difference Between Hana and Work with Pono Shim [2022]

    IIn this special short episode, we explore the deeper meaning of "hana" in the Hawaiian language and why it extends far beyond the Western concept of “work.” In this clip from a 2022 Zoom presentation, Uncle Pono Shim reflects on how hana is connected to breath, grace, purpose and ʻohana. Building on themes from last month’s Two Voyages episode, this moment stood out as such a meaningful reflection that we created a dedicated episode to share it. As a complement, we invite you to watch the E Ohana Hou 2020 video here for a fuller understanding of these teachings. Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai’i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

    4 min
  6. 08/05/2025

    The Two Voyages with Pono Shim [2022]

    In this episode, we revisit one of Uncle Pono Shim’s Zoom presentations, recorded on February 24, 2022. Shared with a group of Hawaiʻi filmmakers, the session centers on the teachings of Aunty Pilahi Paki and the stories that shaped his life. He reflects on being 13 years old in 1976, going on a walk with Aunty Pilahi and learning the values that would guide his way of thinking. He explore the meaning behind ALOHA: Akahai (meaning kindness to be expressed with tenderness), Lokahi (unity, to be expressed with harmony), Oluolu (agreeable, to be expressed with pleasantness), Haahaa (humility, to be expressed with modesty), and Ahonui (patience, to be expressed with perseverance). Uncle Pono also shares the story of the two canoes - the physical voyage of Hokulea and a second, spiritual canoe with no map; he describes ALOHA itself as the vessel for this journey. Aunty Pilahi once said to him, “I’m not going to teach you how to speak Hawaiian, Iʻm going to teach you how to think Hawaiian.” This episode offers a glimpse into what that means, grounded in her prophecy: "“The world will turn to Hawaii as they search for world peace because Hawaii has the key… and that key is aloha." Mahalo nui loa for listening.  Episode Highlights 02:39 The Star Compass 11:39 1961 - Aunty Pilahi Pakiʻs story, the "librarian" of Hawaii's secrets 17:53 1976 - Pono Shim's story with Aunty Pilahi at age 13 30:00 Aunty Pilahi Paki's ALOHA  - Ahonui, Lokahi, Oluolu, Haahaa, Akahai 40:40 Stories as laau lapaau (medicine) 41:24 2018 - Navigators and Peace Seekers 45:19 1976 - The Two Voyages: synchronicity with Hokulea and Nainoa Thompson First canoe: Physical waa - the manifestation of awakening and recoverySecond canoe: Spiritual waa - the walk, the talk, ha, and no instruction manual. "ALOHA is the largest voyaging canoe in the world"49:40 Two objectives in every story 50:30 "Weʻre not a project, we're the resource"  More ALOHA Resources: Pono Shim Videos and PresentationsFoundation of Aloha with Education Incubator   Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai’i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

    55 min
  7. 07/11/2025

    "Aloha is Love" with Brooke Conway

    In this heartfelt episode, Brooke Conway reflects on the themes of identity and belonging as she traces her path from San Francisco to Samoa, Hawaiʻi, and Sicily. She shares how the spirit of aloha (and some incredible meals along the way) have helped her build connections and navigate healing. A chance meeting with Pono Shim became a turning point in her growth and offered her wisdom that continues to guide her through grief, motherhood, and her Social Work career. Brooke speaks to the power of values like akahai (grace) and oluolu (gentle strength), especially in moments of personal and collective challenge. This episode invites you to reflect on you own stories and to respond to the world with compassion. Mahalo for listening!    Episode Highlights 00:33 Introduction to Brooke Conway 02:31 San Francisco to Samoa to Hawaii: Where might we land? 05:37 Three homes 08:26 Sicily: reconnecting with ancestral roots 13:45 Food as aloha, connection, identity 16:21 Meeting Uncle Pono Shim: right place, right time 17:54 Unlocking the healing medicine 22:43 Sitting with the aloha practice during difficult times 26:03 Leaning in to akahai (grace) during her grandmother's passing 31:15 Stories as medicine 33:26 Mental health and wellness - aiming for unity from "above the sides" 34:48 Oluolu (gentle strength) 37:39 Weaving the aloha values into Social Work 39:39 Nelson Mandela interview with Oprah: Action and Unity vs. Humility 41:15 Nelson Mandela as centered in self, not self-centered 42:45 Watching current events with a critical eye: Is there an aloha response present? Am I seeing this situation through heavenʻs perspective? Am I seeing the world through the lens of my trauma? 46:21 Is my hana my trauma response - or is it divinely inspired? 48:26 Aloha and motherhood: kids are our greatest teachers     Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai’i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

    55 min
  8. 06/10/2025

    Leading with Heart: Kevin Wakayama on Law and Justice in Hawaii

    In this episode, we sit down with longtime Hawaiʻi attorney, Kevin Wakayama, to explore how a heart-led approach has shaped his decades of legal practice. From his roots on Kauaʻi to studying law during the Vietnam War, Kevin shares pivotal moments of his life and what led him to choose tax law over criminal law. Rooted in the Aloha Spirit Law and influenced by the late Alvin and Pono Shim, Kevin offers thoughtful reflections on his experiences interlacing aloha into legal work and leadership. He also reminisces about the late 1960s, when as a high school student, he was part of a movement where local visionaries imagined the year 2000 and ways to reach a diversified economy centered on peace through education and value-aligned industries. Whether you're curious about law, committed to social justice, or drawn to Hawaii's history of community leadership, we invite you to pause with Kevin's stories. Episode Highlights 00:00 Introduction to Kevin Wakayama 00:50 Becoming an attorney: Kauaʻi to college during the Vietnam War 03:57 Choosing tax law over criminal law 04:51 The Aloha Spirit Law in practice 08:54 Reflections on the Aloha Spirit and community 21:21 Aiming for Prosperity in 1969: economic development and education in Hawaii 36:23 Aloha in action 39:53 Advice for aspiring legal professionals 42:48 Closing thoughts  Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai’i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

    45 min

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Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai’i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.