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With Ai X Podcast, Open Data Science Conference (ODSC) brings its vast experience in building community and its knowledge of the data science and AI fields to the podcast platform. The interests and challenges of the data science community are wide ranging. To reflect this Ai X Podcast will offer a similarly wide range of content, from one-on-one interviews with leading experts, to career talks, to educational interviews, to profiles of AI Startup Founders. Join us every two weeks to discover what’s going on in the data science community. Find more ODSC lightning interviews, webinars, live trainings, certifications, bootcamps here - https://aiplus.training/ Don't miss out on this exciting opportunity to expand your knowledge and stay ahead of the curve.

  1. Training Agents with Reinforcement Learning: Kyle Corbitt

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    Training Agents with Reinforcement Learning: Kyle Corbitt

    In this episode, we speak with Kyle Corbitt, co-founder and CEO of OpenPip, recently acquired by CoreWeave, to explore the evolving role of reinforcement learning in building smarter, more reliable AI agents. Kyle shares the journey of OpenPipe from supervised fine-tuning to developing ART (Agent Reinforcement Trainer), their open-source RL toolkit designed to train AI agents that can think, adapt, and perform with greater autonomy. The discussion spans technical insights, practical applications, startup lessons from YC’s Startup School, and the future of agent-based AI systems. Key Topics Covered: Why reinforcement learning is gaining attention in modern Agent development The transition from supervised fine-tuning (SFT) to reinforcement learning (RL) Practical differences between RL and SFT, including weight movement and model reliability OpenPipe’s approach with ART: supporting multi-turn agent training and tool use How ART differs from OpenAI’s RFT implementation The importance of consistent agent behavior in production and how RL helps Avoiding reward hacking and the role of Ruler, OpenPipe’s LLM-based judging system Cost-efficiency strategies in RL training using serverless infrastructure OpenPipe’s long-term vision for self-improving agents Advice for AI startup founders on building in a rapidly evolving ecosystem Memorable Outtakes: On why reinforcement learning matters now: "What RL does… is it actually lets you solve the reliability problem. You can make your smaller model significantly more reliable—even more performant in your domain—through RL." On OpenAI's RFT vs. OpenPipe’s ART: "What you're missing [with OpenAI's RFT API] is the ability to define custom tools and multi-turn agent behavior. With ART, you own the code, define the tools, and have full control of the reward signal." Guest information, Mentioned Tools and Projects: Kyle Corbitt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kcorbitt/ OpenPipe: https://openpipe.ai OpenPipe GitHub: https://github.com/OpenPipe/OpenPipe ART (Agent Reinforcement Trainer): https://github.com/OpenPipe/ART Ruler: LLM-based evaluation tool for training agents (part of the ART package): https://openpipe.ai/blog/ruler DeepSeek R1: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/ OpenAI RFT: https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/reinforcement-fine-tuning SkyPilot: scale AI workloads https://github.com/skypilot-org/skypilot Notable Blog Posts: Ruler (LLM-as-a-Judge): https://www.openpipe.ai/blog/ruler Reward Hacking Post: https://www.openpipe.ai/blog/reward-hacking Serverless RL Backend: https://www.openpipe.ai/blog/serverless-rl ART Trainer: A New RL Trainer for Agents: https://openpipe.ai/blog/art-trainer-a-new-rl-trainer-for-agents Sponsored by: 🔥 ODSC AI West 2025 – The Leading AI Training Conference Join us in San Francisco from October 28th–30th for expert-led sessions on generative AI, LLMOps, and AI-driven automation. Use the code podcast for 10% off any ticket. Learn more: https://odsc.ai

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  2. Robin Hood Math: Taking the Algorithms Back with Noah Giansiracusa

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    Robin Hood Math: Taking the Algorithms Back with Noah Giansiracusa

    In this episode of the ODSC Ai X Podcast, we speak with Noah Giansiracusa, a professor of mathematics at Bentley University and the author of Robin Hood Math (MIT Press, 2024). Noah makes the case that you don’t need to be a math genius to use numbers to challenge power, spot manipulation, and think more clearly in today’s data-saturated world. From social media algorithms to misleading rankings and risk perception, Noah explains how math is a tool for empowerment—not just abstraction. Key Topics Covered: Why “being pretty good at math” is enough for most real-world reasoning The real-world implications of expected value and decision theory How college and law school rankings are gamed—and what’s wrong with the metrics How social media platforms like Facebook use engagement formulas to shape behavior The problem with overestimating rare events Why being “numerically literate” is now a form of civic engagement The role of anecdotes vs. data in shaping perception and risk Memorable Outtakes: “What I wanted to do with this book was show people that you don’t have to be “When we talk about risk, the things we fear the most are often not the things that are most likely to happen—and that’s a statistical insight.” References & Resources: Robin Hood Math by Noah Giansiracusa https://www.noahgian.com/books Noah Giansiracusa’s website https://www.noahgian.com Noah Giansiracusa’s academic page: https://faculty.bentley.edu/profile/ngiansiracusa Mentioned research on COMPAS algorithm and algorithmic bias: https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing College ranking methodology critique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_college_and_university_rankings_in_North_America Sponsored by: 🔥 ODSC AI West 2025 – The Leading AI Training Conference Join us in San Francisco from October 28th–30th for expert-led sessions on generative AI, LLMOps, and AI-driven automation. Use the code podcast for 10% off any ticket. Learn more: https://odsc.ai

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  3. AI Agents That Follow the Rules: Sandi Besen

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    AI Agents That Follow the Rules: Sandi Besen

    In this episode of the ODSC Ai X Podcast, host Sheamus McGovern speaks with Sandi Besen, AI Engineer and Ecosystem Lead at IBM Research, about designing rule-based, production-ready AI agents using IBM’s open-source BeeAI framework. Sandi shares her journey from the performing arts to AI engineering, unpacks the challenges of agent reliability and trust, and explores how frameworks like BeeAI are solving real-world issues through enforceable rules, observability, and open standards. This episode dives deep into multi-agent systems, communication protocols, and what it really takes to deploy AI agents safely and effectively in enterprise environments. Key Topics Covered: Sandi’s background and current role at IBM Research What inspired the creation of the BeeAI framework and platform The concept of "agent chaos" and how BeeAI brings structure and reliability Comparison of popular agent frameworks: LangChain, LangGraph, CrewAI Introduction to emerging agent communication protocols (MCP and A2A) Enforcing hardcoded rules (conditional requirements) in agents Building agent behavior guardrails and preventing rogue actions Importance of observability, memory, and tracing in agent frameworks Using OpenTelemetry for tracing agent decision-making Challenges in agent safety, validation, and trust for enterprise use How BeeAI makes deploying an agent with a UI fast and easy (in under an hour) When to build from scratch vs. using a framework like BeeAI Common mistakes startups make when adopting cutting-edge AI tech Trends in context engineering and long-term memory The future of consulting in the age of AI Memorable Outtakes: “Agent chaos is real. We needed a way to bring structure, enforce rules, and make agents safe for production.” “Conditional requirements let you hardcode business logic into your agents — not just suggest behavior, but enforce it.” References & Resources: Sandi Besen – AI Engineer & Ecosystem Lead at IBM Research: https://research.ibm.com/people/sandi-besen Website: https://sandibesen.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandibesen/ BeeAI: https://www.ibm.com/think/news/beeai-open-source-multiagent BeeAI GitHub Repository: https://github.com/i-am-bee/beeai-framework Agent Communication Protocol (ACP) Course (DeepLearning.AI): https://www.deeplearning.ai/short-courses/acp-agent-communication-protocol/ OpenTelemetry: https://opentelemetry.io/ Google’s P2 Payment Protocol (for AI agents): https://ap2-protocol.org/ AP2 GitHub: https://github.com/google-agentic-commerce/AP2 OpenAI Agent Commerce Protocol: https://developers.openai.com/commerce/ Sponsored by: 🔥 ODSC AI West 2025 – The Leading AI Training Conference Join us in San Francisco from October 28th–30th for expert-led sessions on generative AI, LLMOps, and AI-driven automation. Use the code podcast for 10% off any ticket. Learn more: https://odsc.ai

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  4. Gaming Research in AI and the Need for Human-Centered Design with Georgios Yannakakis

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    Gaming Research in AI and the Need for Human-Centered Design with Georgios Yannakakis

    In this episode of the ODSC Ai X Podcast, host Alex Landa speaks with Georgios N. Yannakakis, Professor at the Institute of Digital Games, University of Malta, co-founder of Modl.ai and Human Feedback AI, and Editor-in-Chief of IEEE Transactions on Games. A leading researcher in AI and games, Georgios shares insights from two decades of work at the intersection of artificial intelligence, player experience, and creative design. The discussion spans his seminal paper Choose Your Weapons: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI Academics, the value of human feedback in AI development, and the transformative role of AI in game research and design. Key Topics Covered: Georgios’s background in AI and game research, including co-founding Modl.ai and Human Feedback AI The challenges facing AI academics today, including scaling maximalism and the need for smaller, human-centered models Insights from the satirical yet practical paper Choose Your Weapons: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI Academics The underrated importance of human data and human-in-the-loop approaches for AI alignment Applications of AI in gaming, from procedural content generation to adaptive player modeling How reinforcement learning and emotional modeling can create personalized, player-centric game experiences The shift from building superhuman AI agents toward co-creative systems that assist game designers Strategies like “try things that shouldn’t work” and how disruptive, risky research can lead to breakthroughs Current projects in affective computing, user modeling, and generative AI for co-creation in games Memorable Outtakes: “As recently as 10 years ago, if you had a decent desktop computer and an internet connection, you had everything you needed to compete with the best researchers. Well, guess what? It’s not the case anymore.” – Georgios N. Yannakakis “Humans are the next frontier of AI. We need human-centered models to build safer, explainable, and more trustworthy AI.” – Georgios N. Yannakakis “The best use of generative AI in games is as a creative partner—an assistant in the design process—not as a fully autonomous game designer.” – Georgios N. Yannakakis References & Resources: Georgios Yannakakis University of Malta profile: https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/georgiosyannakakis Georgios’ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgios-n-yannakakis-67a5b05 Modl.ai: https://modl.ai/ Human Feedback AI: https://humanfeedback.ai/ IEEE Transactions on Games: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/RecentIssue.jsp?punumber=7782673 Book Artificial Intelligence and Games: http://gameaibook.org/ Paper: Choose Your Weapons: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI Academics: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10458714 Paper: Pixels and Sound of Emotion: General Purpose Representations of Arousal in Games (IEEE Transactions on Affective Computing): https://arxiv.org/abs/2101.10706 Paper: BehAVE: Behaviour Alignment of Video Game Encodings: https://arxiv.org/html/2402.01335v3 Podcast with his colleague, Julian Togelius - From Turing’s Chess to Neural Game Engines: AI in Video Games Today: https://youtu.be/f_z2PpR3GaU Sponsored by: ODSC AI West 2025 – The Leading AI Training Conference Join us in San Francisco from October 28th–30th for expert-led sessions on generative AI, LLMOps, and AI-driven automation. Use the code podcast for 10% off any ticket. Learn more: https://odsc.ai

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  5. Follow the (Dark) Money: AI and the Hunt for Hidden Networks with Paco Nathan

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    Follow the (Dark) Money: AI and the Hunt for Hidden Networks with Paco Nathan

    In this episode of the ODSC AI Podcast, we sit down with Paco Nathan, veteran AI practitioner, data science leader, and currently with Senzing. Paco shares how AI, entity resolution, and graph analytics are being deployed to uncover massive financial crime networks, from shell companies and money laundering to cybercrime and trafficking. Drawing from real-world cases like the Azerbaijani Laundromat and Danske Bank scandal, Paco explains how cutting-edge AI techniques, RAG, and open data are transforming the fight against hidden financial networks while also powering legitimate business intelligence. Key Topics Covered: Paco Nathan’s career journey: AI, neural networks, Databricks, and now Senzing Senzing’s origins in casinos, card counting detection, and “non-obvious relationship awareness” Industrial-scale money laundering: Azerbaijani Laundromat, Danske Bank Estonia branch, and $200B flows exceeding Estonia’s GDP Entity resolution as the backbone of fraud detection and why accuracy is critical in high-stakes domains How graph analytics expose hidden structures in money laundering networks DSPy, BAML, and MLflow: AI tooling for programmatic prompt engineering and evaluation The rise of Graph-RAG: combining retrieval-augmented generation with knowledge graphs Forensic accounting, fraud tradecraft patterns, and synthetic data simulators Open-source and open-data initiatives like OpenSanctions, OpenOwnership, and GLEIF Opportunities for data professionals to engage in combating financial crime and supporting transparency Memorable Outtakes: Paco Nathan: “Defenders think in lists. Attackers think in graphs — and as long as that holds, attackers win.” Paco Nathan: “Sometimes your best customers and your worst criminals look much the same.” Paco Nathan: “One Estonian bank branch moved more money than the GDP of its host country.” References & Resources: Paco Nathan’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ceteri/ Senzing: https://senzing.com/ DSPy: https://github.com/stanfordnlp/dspy BAML: https://github.com/BoundaryML/baml MLflow: https://mlflow.org/ OpenSanctions: https://www.opensanctions.org/ OpenOwnership: https://www.openownership.org/ GLEIF (Global Legal Entity Identifier Foundation): https://www.gleif.org/en Sponsored by: 🔥 ODSC AI West 2025 – The Leading AI Training Conference Join us in San Francisco from October 28th–30th for expert-led sessions on generative AI, LLMOps, and AI-driven automation. Use the code podcast for 10% off any ticket. Learn more: https://odsc.ai

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  6. Voice AI is About to Get Loud with Kwindla Kramer

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    Voice AI is About to Get Loud with Kwindla Kramer

    In this episode of the ODSC AiX Podcast, host Sheamus McGovern sits down with Kwindla Hultman Kramer, co-founder of Daily and creator of the open-source project PipeCat. Kwindla is a pioneer in real-time audio, video, and human-computer interaction. He shares his journey from MIT Media Lab to building voice interfaces that are now shaping the future of software interaction. Together, they explore why voice is poised to become the primary interface for AI, what makes voice agents so challenging to build, and how real-world use cases—from call centers to appointment scheduling—are proving the value of well-designed voice AI systems. Key Topics Covered: Why voice is at a “2007 iPhone moment” for user interfaces What makes a great voice AI experience (and why Siri/Alexa missed the mark) The rise of voice agents in production use: healthcare, banking, customer service, and more Real-world engineering challenges in building voice-first AI agents How latency, streaming, turn detection, and interruptibility define user experience The architecture and motivation behind the PipeCat open-source toolkit Why LLMs need context engineering in voice workflows Differences between text-first vs. voice-first agent design Hybrid models: routing between cloud and on-device inference What’s missing in voice AI today: memory, context, and bi-directional streaming Synthetic data and the future of training audio models Advice for developers just starting with voice AI Memorable Outtakes: “Voice is at the tipping point—like mobile was in 2007.” “All UI is going to become liquid, generated on the fly by natural voice speech.” “You’ve probably already spoken to an AI agent—you just didn’t realize it.” References & Resources: PipeCat GitHub: https://github.com/pipecat-ai/pipecat Kwindla Hultman Kramer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kwkramer/ Daily (video/audio infrastructure company): https://www.daily.co Voice AI and Voice Agents Guide: https://voiceaiandvoiceagents.com Smart Turn Detection Model: https://github.com/pipecat-ai/smart-turn Gemini 1.5 and Google Live API: https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-live-updates-august-2025/ NotebookLM by Google: https://notebooklm.google/ Suno AI (music generation): https://www.suno.ai/ Whisper (OpenAI ASR Model): https://github.com/openai/whisper Minority_Report: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film) Sponsored by: 🔥 ODSC AI West 2025 – The Leading AI Training Conference Join us in San Francisco from October 28th–30th for expert-led sessions on generative AI, LLMOps, and AI-driven automation. Use the code podcast for 10% off any ticket. Learn more: https://odsc.ai

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  7. CrewAI and the Rise of Autonomous Agents in Enterprise AI with João (Joe) Moura

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    CrewAI and the Rise of Autonomous Agents in Enterprise AI with João (Joe) Moura

    In this episode, Sheamus McGovern sits down with João “Joe” Moura, founder and CEO of CrewAI, to discuss the rapid evolution of multi-agent AI systems and their real-world impact in enterprise environments. From his early experiments with agent-based automations to supporting clients like PwC, PepsiCo, and the U.S. Department of Defense, Joe shares how CrewAI is enabling companies to move beyond hype and flashy demos toward scalable, secure agent workflows. This conversation covers everything from open-source momentum to agent orchestration, governance, deployment challenges, and what it takes to go from prototype to production. Key Topics Covered: * João’s background in AI and the early days of CrewAI * The problem CrewAI was originally built to solve—and how it scaled from a personal tool to a global platform * Definition of a true agent: “Agency is the key. If there’s no decision-making, it’s not an agent.” * The evolution to robust multi-agent enterprise systems * CrewAI’s dual product strategy: open source for developers, enterprise-grade platform for production use * Use cases driving the most traction: go-to-market workflows, internal GPTs, code automation at scale * The MIT report on AI adoption: why many enterprises are failing to see ROI—and how CrewAI is addressing the gap * Empowering non-technical users through CrewAI Studio * Security, governance, and the importance of deterministic control in agent deployment * Why waiting for the next-gen LLM is a mistake: “The models we have today are good enough for 99% of enterprise use cases.” * CrewAI’s take on interoperability, agent-to-agent protocols, and why standards matter Memorable Outtakes: * “If you want an agent, you’ve got to have agency. Otherwise, it’s just a script.” * “LLMs today are good enough for 99% of enterprise use cases.” *  “We’re now running over 475 million agent automations a month.” References & Resources: João “Joe” Moura – LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/joaomdmoura/CrewAI  https://www.crewai.com/ MIT Report on GenAI adoption (referenced in discussion) https://ide.mit.edu/research/95-of-generative-ai-projects-fail-how-to-make-yours-succeed Humanity's Last Exam https://agi.safe.ai/ AgentBench⁠ https://github.com/THUDM/AgentBench⁠ HumanEval Benchmark⁠ https://github.com/openai/human-eval⁠ MCP – Model Coordination Protocolhttps://modelcontextprotocol.io/docs/getting-started/intro Agent to Agent  Communication  https://developers.googleblog.com/en/a2a-a-new-era-of-agent-interoperability/ Sponsored by: 🔥 ODSC AI West 2025 – The Leading AI Training Conference Join us in San Francisco from October 28th–30th for expert-led sessions on generative AI, LLMOps, and AI-driven automation. Use the code podcastfor 10% off any ticket. Learn more:⁠ https://odsc.ai⁠

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  8. Inside Google’s New AI Stack with Paige Bailey

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    Inside Google’s New AI Stack with Paige Bailey

    In this episode of the ODSC AiX Podcast, host Sheamus McGovern reconnects with Paige Bailey, Engineering Lead at Google DeepMind for the Developer Experience team. Paige shares how the Gemini ecosystem has evolved since her last appearance, including the launch of Gemini 2.5 DeepThink, multimodal video generation with Veo 3, real-time music creation with Lyria RT, and groundbreaking advances in agentic and on-device AI systems. The conversation explores the rapid rise of agent-based workflows, AI-powered robotics, and the growing divide between cutting-edge tools and real-world adoption. Key Topics Covered: Gemini 2.5 DeepThink & Reasoning Models The model that won gold at the International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO) Use cases for DeepThink, Pro, Flash, and FlashLite variants Using Gemini Live API for real-world robotics and decision planning Role of multimodal inputs (video, audio, text) in enabling embodied AI On-Device AI & Ubiquity Implications for edge deployment, cost reduction, and accessibility Veo 3: Multimodal Video Generation Lyria RT: Real-Time Music Generation Gemini Live API & Voice Interfaces Real-time bidirectional voice, screen understanding, and tool calling Rise of voice as the dominant AI interface Use of SynthID and digital watermarking to detect deepfakes Future of AI-agent orchestration via MCP servers Memorable Outtakes: On the pace of model development: “A 4-billion parameter model on-device now outperforms our best cloud model from six months ago. That’s pretty magical.” — Paige Bailey On the role of AI agents in robotics: “You can say, ‘Hey robot, go get me that apple,’ and Gemini will plan the task, route it, and call the right control models.” — Paige Bailey On the AI adoption gap: “In the Bay Area, we use AI hourly. But when I talk to developers in the Midwest, they often aren’t using it at all.” — Paige Bailey References & Resources: Paige Bailey Dynamic Web Paige: https://webpaige.dev/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dynamicwebpaige GitHub: https://github.com/dynamicwebpaige Medium: https://medium.com/@dynamicwebpaige Previous podcast with Paige: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ai-x-podcast/episodes/Googles-AI-Powered-Tools-for-Data-Scientists-Building-the-Automated-Future-of-Data-Science-with-Paige-Bailey-e2p3t6e Resources mentioned International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO): https://www.imo-official.org Model Context Protocol (MCP): https://modelcontextprotocol.io/docs/getting-started/intro Gemini 2.5 Deep Think: https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-2-5-deep-think/ Veo 3: https://deepmind.google/technologies/veo/ Lyria RT & Music AI Sandbox: https://deepmind.google/technologies/lyria/ SynthID & Deepfake Watermarking: https://deepmind.google/technologies/synthid/ Gemma Models: https://ai.google.dev/gemma Gemini Live API Docs: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/live Google AI Studio: https://ai.google.dev Sponsored by: 🔥 ODSC AI West 2025 – The Leading AI Training Conference Join us in San Francisco from October 28th–30th for expert-led sessions on generative AI, LLMOps, and AI-driven automation. Use the code podcast for 10% off any ticket. Learn more: https://odsc.ai

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With Ai X Podcast, Open Data Science Conference (ODSC) brings its vast experience in building community and its knowledge of the data science and AI fields to the podcast platform. The interests and challenges of the data science community are wide ranging. To reflect this Ai X Podcast will offer a similarly wide range of content, from one-on-one interviews with leading experts, to career talks, to educational interviews, to profiles of AI Startup Founders. Join us every two weeks to discover what’s going on in the data science community. Find more ODSC lightning interviews, webinars, live trainings, certifications, bootcamps here - https://aiplus.training/ Don't miss out on this exciting opportunity to expand your knowledge and stay ahead of the curve.

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