Growing Older with Gusto

Gail Zugerman
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This is a podcast that will turnaround misperceptions about the aging process and the later stages of our lives.  It will provide a forum through various interviews of people aged 75+ who are growing older in a positive way to dispel the cloud of resistance and fear of growing older that is representative of many baby boomers.  Growing older with Gusto showcases people from various walks of life who will discuss what they have done in the past, and continue to do today to give their lives meaning and to grow older with gusto. Guests who describe what it takes to embrace their later years can energize, and change the focus of baby boomers and others who have negative perceptions of this phase of life. Baby boomers, a generation that has historically had an impact on society can lose their fear of aging,  embrace our later years & be another way of this generation making its mark on society. Gail Zugerman, the host of this podcast,  is an experienced moderator, facilitator, and interviewer who spent the majority of her career as an independent qualitative marketing research consultant. Her expertise in working in the medical, B2B, and consumer markets with the older population provides a springboard for showing the way that our brains are wired to continue growing and achieving all of our lives.

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    All Remaining Passengers: An Octogenarian’s Take On Legacy With Philip Slayton

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  2. Debuting With A Mystery Novel With Bonnie Moore

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    Debuting With A Mystery Novel With Bonnie Moore

    Sitting down with Gail Zugerman is Bonnie Moore, who talks about her debut book, Buried Bones. She shares how she used her background as an attorney and CPA to write a mystery novel about a crime committed in a small town. Bonnie also talks about using fictional detective Jessica Fletcher from “Murder, She Wrote” to create her protagonist, as well as how her novel is geared towards people aging well and super sleuths.

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  3. Level Up Your Trips With Historic Traveler Jackie Lapin

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    Level Up Your Trips With Historic Traveler Jackie Lapin

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  4. 5월 28일

    What's Next? With Caroline Brecker And Polly Chandler

    Are you approaching the end of your primary career and wondering what comes next? It’s a common dilemma, but what if there’s a way to embrace this new chapter with purpose and excitement? In today’s episode, we’re joined by two incredible guests who’ve navigated this transition with success. Caroline Brecker, co-founder of Third Half Advisors, and Polly Chandler, a strength coach at the company, share their inspiring stories of how they reinvented themselves after leaving long careers to help others do the same. Caroline, with her extensive finance background, and Polly, a seasoned coach and facilitator, offer unique insights into how we can create the next phase of our lives with intention. Whether it’s finding a new purpose through coaching, consulting, or simply embracing a new path, you won’t want to miss this conversation about reimagining the rest of your life. Tune in to discover how to take that next step and thrive in your “third half!” — Watch the episode here Listen to the podcast here     What's Next? With Caroline Brecker And Polly Chandler How To Rewire Yourself How many of us have reached a point in our lives where our primary careers are coming to a close and we're trying to figure out what to do with the rest of our life? We have two guests, a bit of a switch who made the transition and started another great phase of their lives. Caroline Brecker is the Cofounder of Third Half Advisors. Her background includes many years in finance with Stints at JP Morgan Private Bank where she oversaw $40 billion. Polly Chandler is a strength coach at Third Hald Advisors. Her background as a seasoned coach, curriculum designer and facilitator who played a key role in launching one of the first NBA's sustainability in the country led to her involvement with Third Half Advisors. Welcome to the show. Thank you, Gail. Thank you. Many of us reach this point in our lives where we’re in endpoint with our career and so many people I've talked to the years, flounder because you've been successful, enjoyed a career but you want to do something else and don't know what it is and what to do. Tell our readers, if you will Caroline. Where were you in your life when you decided to retire from JP Morgan Private Bank and you need to figure out what's next? Excellent question. I retired from Morgan after decades of being there. The organization had evolved to a much bigger enterprise and was a place         that I probably was ready to move on from in terms of my own personal growth. Coincidentally to that, my husband was retiring and a dear friend of mine, Campbell Garish who is the cofounder of Third Half was also stepping back from his firm. While I was doing consulting work, I was watching these two try to navigate the stepping back part and it was amazingly complicated.       Need For Transition Support I was surprised at how many fragmented resources or lack of resources there were out there, especially in a trusted environment way. Again, our longevity has changed so dramatically. Over the last century, we’ve gained 30 years practically in life longevity and to know the people would be floundering around for not just months but potentially years was striking to me and Campbell and my husband. It spoke to a need in the marketplace for some community to help people have a little light structure in thinking through this next chapter. It was a very compelling need and something I found deeply interesting from my own work with individuals and families. Polly, how about you? My transition very much came from an intentional activity of logging what was energizing and what was draining me. I kept track of it for several months while I was still the Chair of the Department of Management at Antioch University. Over time, I saw a pattern, which was what was energizing me most was coaching and mentoring students and faculty and transitions. What was draining me were some of the academic responsibilities and committees and things like that. I took a giant leap, reinvented myself and began my next career as a coach and facilitator then had the happy coincidence of meeting Campbell, and Caroline and became part of the team. How did you all meet? How did you meet Carolina and Campbell? They asked me to help with a workshop they were delivering because they had another facilitator who I had taught with. Unbeknownst to me, what I was stepping into, I was just headed off to Connecticut to do an hour and a half workshop for Third Half Advisors and before you know it, I was a major part of the team. I am honored to be a part of the work to help people find their way and get inspired and energized for their futures. Polly, it sounds like you had a very logical road map that you set up for yourself to figure out what to do next. Caroline, did you have that too or did you was your approach a little different? The irony is, that's the benefit of being a coach. Polly has a set of tools that she had was thinking through to make the transition for us, the people if you will. That's part of the challenge that we, Campbell, myself, my spouse, and other people in our peer didn't have a set of tools to help navigate this. People are so in love with the autonomy and freedom they have when they transition but, in some ways, they need that life structure and toolset also to help navigate. Our society has created this arc where we're considered “done” in our late 50s and early 60s, yet we potentially have an entire lifetime ahead of us to pursue meaningful work and purpose. It's a real teeter-totter between enjoying the freedom one has and creating a plan for yourself. That's what in Third Half Advisors we spent a lot of time creating. It’s those tools and light structure to help people think through the blueprint that Polly just mentioned. It has been transformative for the people that we work with. Again, when I was transitioning as well as Campbell, it didn't seem like there was a lot out there to help people with that light structure. They're lots of tools for leaders who are actively involved in their workplace. In fact, there's lots of tools from adolescents in helping with transition but a remarkably few tools as page. Longevity & Lack Of Past Tools To your point about our longevity has changed so much, that's part of the reason that we never had those kinds of tools available to us. For me in my case, I had a marketing research consultancy for years and I got out of it because the industry was changing and my life had changed. I was on a vacation and they often say something you get ideas when you’re taking a shower or flying in a plane or whatever. I was listening to a show of somebody I had met in New York and I thought, “I could do that. That's what I used to do. I used to interview people.” That's how I got started. It got the wheels cheering but it wasn't like there was a tool set out there for me either. It took a while. Gail, to your point about the longevity piece. If you're 60-year-old, you have a greater than 50% chance of living to 90 plus. That's a lot of time. Our society is created this arc of we're all done in our late 50s and early 60s, but we almost have a lifetime left potentially of what we could be doing. Society hasn't quite addressed that and we need to create more forums, trusted environments and tools for people to address all that time. What we found is what made people very successful in their careers in a quite different tool set for this next phase where people are grappling with authenticity. They want to be in a more portfolio life strategy, meaning it's not just one thing they're doing but a variety of things. I was going to add. The one thing we've noticed is that people don't even find the word retirement fits with this longevity. We’re rewiring. Transition and we make transition through 2 or 3 more times before we pass away. The thing is, even that model of retirement doesn't fit with this model of longevity. On your website, you use the metaphor like a rugby match. I was wondering how you compare life to rugby match. I thought that was a great metaphor. Could you tell our readers a little bit about how that came about?         To be honest, I'm not a rugby player. Nor am I. Campbell was a rugby player at university. Campbell who couldn't be with us is also a co-founder of Third Half Advisors. As we were thinking about what a good name would be for this program, he was reflecting on his university days where rugby is one of the few games where the opposing teams go to the bar afterwards and enjoy the company of each other and the competition melts away. People just enjoy the camaraderie and the stories of the game, which is analogous to this dividend part of life and that, “This should be the best part of our lives when we are at a point where we can enjoy the fruits of our labor, the competition, and the warrior part of our life.” Reflect and enjoy each other and the community. Also, it's called the third half but in addition, it's that incongruity third half signaling math complication of later life. We don't know how long we're going to live. Is it a full half? It fit nicely in this celebratory third half, which is what rugby players call that and a little bit of the unknown for what this the stage of life is for many people. It stuck and we've continued to use that name. Polly, you're the strength coach. Tell us what that means. During major transitions, people often lose touch with what truly energizes them. They may recognize their talents but forget what they love to do most. Using StrengthsFinder All of the participants in our programs take the Gallup StrengthsFinder Assessment. This is a tool that we have found is incredibly empowering because sometimes, when people are in this big transition, they've lost track of what their greatest energy comes from. They may know their talents but

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  5. 5월 25일

    Super Ager & Super Helper: Dr. Katzman, 97, Solves My Tech Crisis!

    Dr. Melvern Katzman is an amazing example of someone who is growing older with gusto and with a great sense of humor. He is a family man who cherishes his family connections, and has a revolving list of hobbies that keep him current and focused. He has the can do it spirit that has navigated him throughout his 97 years! — Watch the episode here    Listen to the podcast here    Super Ager & Super Helper: Dr. Katzman, 97, Solves My Tech Crisis! Welcome to the show. We are continuing a series of episodes with people who are considered to be super-agers. Dr. Melvern Katzman, who lives in Toronto, is 97 years young and will be talking to us about what it takes to get to his age. Dr. Katzmann practiced optometry for 60 years, was actively involved in his professional organizations, his faith, and was a leader for Habitat for Humanity. Most recently, at age 97, he chaired his condo buildings 40th anniversary party. He is definitely growing older with Gusto. Let's get started.      Welcome to the show, Dr. Katzman. Thank you very much for having me. Staying Vital At Any Age: Dr. Katzman's Secret Sauce To Joyful Aging I just have to tell my listeners, this is like so impressive before we even start the conversation. Dr. Katzman was having some trouble getting onto the podcast recording platform. He showed you effort like within a half hour, he did it all figure out, and here we are. I'm so impressed because I am a techno Neanderthal, and you're 97 years old, and I couldn't do what you did. I'm impressed. I wanted to ask you, people who come on our show or are selected because they've shown by example, their attitude towards growing older, and you're growing older in a positive and productive way. What would you tell someone who's maybe 50 years old what to do and how to grow older without being fearful of growing older? Let's say this. I really provided for my old age. I have many hobbies and I'm involved in the community, involved in my condo. When my time came to retire, I had plenty of things to do to keep my mind off being feared. Tell us a little bit about what you did to stay vital all these years. What were some of your hobbies? I know you do genealogy, and check me out. That was pretty impressive, too. I’m a stamp collector, a coin collector, involved with the condo, which I expanded into being involved with the federal government, the provincial government, and the municipal government. I'm quite active in the community. What would you say to our readers that has given you the greatest strength as you navigate through life's ups and downs? I think I'd have to go back to my family, my mother, my father, my in-laws, and one uncle who is my mentor. They provided a lot to me. They were the ones who made Mel Katzman. A Love Story & Lasting Connections: Family & Friends At 97 Dr. Katzman, tell our readers the wonderful story about how you met your wife. Believe it or not, it was that mentor uncle who made a blind date. He once had a function. He saw my supposed next and my wife, and he said, “That would be a nice girl for Mel.” We made a date, but he didn't realize her age. She was 17 and I was 24 and she wouldn't refuse the date because of my uncle. When we saw each other, that was it. Love at first sight, right? It's amazing. Talk to our readers a little bit about the importance of creating and keeping a strong circle of friends. There aren't too many friends. There aren't too many of my friends left. I seem to be the last one. What has happened? Children learn by observing and copying the actions and habits of adults. Throughout your life, I know you must have had a wide circle of friends. I had a lot of friends. Most of them, believe it or not, were younger than my wife and I. From my synagogue was one source. We belong to many organizations, and my activities in the community have created a lot of friends. Why do you think that you and your wife were drawn to younger people, or I should say, they were drawn to you? Why? We both enjoyed life. We were a happy couple, and we met happy people. That is very important. You mentioned having a lot of hobbies. I know you love genealogy. In stamp collecting, coin collecting, are there any other things that have given you great pleasure that's ongoing even? I think that my family has most people who want you to chat with them. They tell you that their family is very important. They contribute to your longevity. What is important to me besides I have a wonderful family, and I am needed. That is important to me. It's amazing when the family, the love that they give, extends life in my family, and being chronically blessed. I couldn't ask for more. They fulfill my needs with love. They also have given me something just as important, the feeling of being needed, which gives me a sense of purpose, belonging, and being important in our lives. I cannot go anywhere. They need me. The Power Of Being Needed: Finding Purpose & Fulfillment In Later Life I think that's so amazing because you're one of the first people on the podcast to really talk about that so important quality of being needed, and having a purpose in life. I know having a purpose in life is so important to growing older with Gusto. I know because your daughter reached out to me that obviously what everything you're saying is absolutely 100% authentic. I just think it says a lot about you and the type of father you were and grandfather. Tell us a little bit about your family. I have to bring in my wife. My wife is an exceptional person. How long were you married? 69 years. What I have and what we gave to our children, I give it all to her. She brought up that we now have seven doctors in the family, two lawyers, one CP, and one who didn't follow me, but took over one of my hobbies, which was construction, and he's in the construction industry. Tell us about your hobby in construction. You sent me a photo of a beautiful chair. Tell us about that. It was weak. My wife and I used to go around to antique shows, and we picked up this old chair, and I loved Mackenzie-Child. Her type of art. I painted the chair in her style. I've done other pieces of furniture. I've made furniture for my children and grandchildren. Very interesting for my grandson's Bar Mitzvah. I did the complete venue. He loved camping. I don't know if of Algonquin Park. The whole venue was Algonquin Park.     Tell us a little bit more about what it looked like. As you entered, there was a sign that you would like a highway sign made out of trees, and on it was his whole life. In other words, it's where he came from and what he did. I made a large boat that was filled with candy. Each table which not numbered would have the lakes in Algonquin Park. I made passports. You need a passport to get into Algonquin Park. That's so cute. Very creative. What was the color scheme? Outdoor green and white. That's amazing. Do you have any favorite sayings or philosophies for living the good life, which I know you do? I have many sayings, and my grandchildren and my children know them all. They fit situations, but one of my favorite sayings is “Monkey see monkey do.” I believe that children learn by observing and copying the actions and habits. My wife and I have tried to educate by example. I really like that. Lately, I've been reading a lot about what they call neuroplasticity of our brains, which basically they're saying your brain can change at any age, and in order to keep it supple and keep it going, there are certain things you should do, and obviously, you've done those. I'd like you to share your wisdom with our readers and talk a little bit about what you think makes for a strong brain. I just think that I gained active. As you can see, we have problems getting on. I didn't give up. You didn't. You're amazing. Right in the very beginning. It's so amazing. I played with it, and that's my life. I won't give up on anything. I can sit for days and take time to find something, that's just my style. That's great. Thinking back on your lifetime, what have been some of the largest societal changes during your life so far? Navigating The Digital World: Tech, Change, And Living In The Now I think technology. I think that it's affected every aspect of our lives. The internet, the smartphone, social media, and the way we were socialized to communicate. Just imagine if I had the ability to speak to my father, and I tell him that we're talking, I see you, you see me, and it's instantaneous. It's just, I think that made a big change. Are you on social media? The key to a wonderful marriage is respect for one another. Yes. What are you on? Facebook. How about Instagram? No. We will post this on Facebook for sure so that you can see it. Aside from I will obviously email you everything. What do you think about robots and artificial intelligence? That's going to be a big problem. I sit and think since you brought it up when I was doing research work, let's say 50 years ago, I would have to go to the library, pick out a book, sit and take a little piece out of the book to do my search, come back the next day, find another book. Just imagine I can get on the Internet and find information within seconds. I can write a research report within half an hour to an hour that it would take me days to do. Pretty amazing. What has inspired you throughout your life? What's been the most inspirational thing for you? My wife. What was her name? Rene. It's such a lovely love story. It's wonderful. That was 69 years of an exceptional marriage. They say time heals. It isn't a guarantee. It hasn't worked for me.       I know. On a positive note, what would you give somebody getting married? A young couple getting married, what advice would you give them to have a wonderful life and marriage together? Respect for one another. How does one show respect within a marriage in your terms? In

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  6. 4월 11일

    Thriving At 102: Dr. Robert Farber’s Secrets To A Fulfilling Life

    How often do you get to hear from someone who’s 102 years old, sharp as a tack, and still living life with passion and purpose? In this episode of Growing Older with Gusto, host Gail Zugerman sits down with Dr. Robert Farber, a retired neonatologist pediatrician from Toronto, Canada. Dr. Farber shares his secrets to a long, fulfilling life—filled with family, friendships, and a love for sports (and yes, he still plays a mean game of Bridge!). He reflects on decades of medical practice, the joys of watching his grandchildren thrive, and his thoughts on the ever-changing world. Tune in for a heartwarming and inspiring conversation with Dr. Farber—proof that growing older with gusto is all about living with love, laughter, and resilience! — Watch the episode here     Listen to the podcast here     Thriving At 102: Dr. Robert Farber’s Secrets To A Fulfilling Life How To Grow Older With Gusto I'm so excited because we have a very special guest on the show coming to us from Toronto, Canada. His name is Dr. Robert Farber. It's a pleasure to welcome you to the show. He has so many things to talk about. Most importantly, as most of you readers know, we love to talk to people who are growing older in a positive productive way. Dr. Farber is an incredible example of somebody who was now 102 and sharp as a tack and interesting. I'm going to stop talking because we got to talk to talk to Dr. Farber about all his secrets on how he got to where he is. Welcome to the show, Dr. Farber. How are you doing? How are things in Toronto? A little cool but bright. We're terribly worried about Trump. That could be a whole another episode. Tell me a little bit about what you like to do when you were growing up. What was like some of your favorite activities. I'm a very big sports fan. I'm still a big sports fan now. I loved fishing. My elder son and I went all over Canada in Northwest Territory and caught some big fish. What kind of fish? Is it Pike or salmon? What were you catching?         We're catching mostly Pickerel. You call them Walleye. Big eye. What's the biggest fish you've ever caught? I got a recording from the Minister of Fisheries in Manitoba. It was a 48 inches Pike. It’s an action release. You caught it and then you let it go. One of the reasons that you were recommended to me to be on the show is, we love talking to people like you who are navigating through life in a way that is inspirational. I wanted to ask you, what would you tell someone who's at midline about what they should be doing and enabling them to grow older without being afraid of being older? Is any advice you would give to them? What will I advise them? What did you do to reach your state? Sit back and relax. You can’t do anything about faith. What did you do to stay vital throughout your life? You said you like sports. Were you actively involved in a particular sport? I'm 6 foot one and a half, so I played a little bit of college of basketball. I grew up in a small town in Canada in Brantford, Ontario. I could skate beautifully. As a matter of fact, one of my closest friends Sam Kennedy eventually became a Detroit Red Wings Star. This is hockey. You played hockey? I could play hockey. Did you any other physical activities at midlife that you enjoyed? Physical activity? Making love to my wife. You don't need anything to maintain a friendship. It just exists. How long are you married? 65 years. Dr. Farber's Career As A Pediatrician Congratulations. That's quite a milestone. I know you're a physician. What medicine did you practice? I was a pediatrician. A child’s specialist. Did you specialize in sleeping disorders with kids or anything special? Yes, neonatal work, newborns. Worked with sick kids a little over for 35-40 years. What is giving you the greatest strengths as you've moved through your life aside from being a doctor? My family. Family As His Greatest Strength And Joy Tell me a little bit about your family. I have three children, two boys and a girl. I have four granddaughters. They are married to four beautiful people. I have six great grandchildren. The oldest is now in the University. I can’t get over how I cherish them so much. Do they live nearby? They all live in Toronto except my eldest son who is a lawyer in New York. He practices theater law. That's how I was giving your name through your son. He thought you would enjoy being on the show. Let’s chat a little bit about friendships. I know family is important, but I've been told and other people I've talked to, as you grow older it's important to maintain relationships with other people and to be in touch with other people. How do you feel about that? Would you agree?        We had two other couples that we were extremely close to. Unfortunately, 3 of the 4 have passed away and there's only one living. I speak to her about every couple week and we say hello. She always invites me over for a false steak’s supper. What does that mean? She lurs you over with the promise of a steak supper then she gives you chicken? She says that, “I'm going to make you a steak supper.” That’s nice. Any tips for people as they grow older on how to maintain friendships? You don't need anything to maintain a friendship. It just exist. My best friend was named Billy Clairfield. His wife was very beautiful and very good friends with my wife. There is a Dr. Buckman, who was a dentist. He ruined all my teeth, but we were great friends. We had other friends but not as close as this. My wife spokes to her friends almost every day. That is nice. That is special. What would you say is giving you the greatest pleasure that you still derived pleasure from? Anything that you can think of? My grandchildren. I adore them. I worry about them a lot but they are all doing well. I'm sure you're a good role model. Do you have any favorite sayings or philosophy on living a good life? Not really. Enjoy every day. Let me ask you this, if you were given a pill and you woke up, you were 30 years younger than you are. What would you do differently? I would certainly go fishing. My son is going up to Alaska and I would certainly be going with him. Thinking back during your lifetime, what have been the greatest changes in society in your life time? Electronics by all means. Financially, I'm stable, but I worry a little bit about my health, but what the heck? I'm 102. How do you feel about those changes? They're good. Excellent. When my kids go away on vacation, I can Skype them every day. I can't believe that. It is pretty nice. Isn't it? Excellent. What is been most inspirational to you throughout your life? My work. I enjoyed every single day. How did you decide to go into that specialty? I had a problem with my eyes. Originally, I wanted to be an obstetrician and gynecologist but my eyes wouldn't allow me. I did an internship at Sick Kids Hospital and I fell in love with it. His “Secret Sauce” To A Joyful Life That's nice story. What can you tell our readers, I would call this your secret sauce to living a joyful and juicy life like you've had? What's your secret to being 102, thriving, and having a good life? Being financially stable and having the greatest kids and grandchildren in all my life that anyone could have and loving sports. What do you do now? What do you do to keep yourself busy since you retired? I play bridge. I play well. I watch sports. I watch every leaf game and every baseball game. I fight with my caregiver. What do you fight about? She seems very nice. She says I don't listen to her enough. I said I listen to her too much. She's a very nice person.         Is there anything else you want to talk about with me? Is there any questions that I haven't been asking you? No. I’m giving you the essence of my life. My wife is unbelievable. My family, I couldn't have asked for anything better. Financially, I'm stable and I worry a little bit about my health but what the hell, I'm 102. You seem pretty good to me. How are things in Toronto? You said you had a few concerns about the new administration. Do you want to talk about that at all? He’s made a mistake. We talked about friends before. Canada was a good friend of the United States. A very good friend and he's destroyed that forever. The people in Toronto that you talk to agree with you about this situation. We never join in it. We love you and that people in the states. We love United States, but we never become a 40-50 first state. Never. I love it. You got great spirit. Dr. Farber, I'm out of questions. I want to thank you so much for talking to me. It's been my pleasure to have on the show. You've been a great guest. For all you readers, please share this episode with all your friends and family. This is a treat. How often do we get to speak with somebody who's 102, thriving and vital? It's been wonderful. How about saying, next year, same time, same place? I do. Next year, same place, same time. You're on. You got it. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Sure. Bye-bye.

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  7. 2월 10일

    Finding Your Tribe In The Digital Age With Matthew Edgerton

    Matthew Edgerton is using personal life experiences and work background to help an aging population find their tribe and grow older with gusto. In this conversation with Gail Zugerman, he shares how he interviewed all types of people, from the aging in independent living to their caregivers and family members, to create his business model called Cogensus. Matthew sheds light on the lack of stimulation among older people and how he strives to determine the best way to get them engaged in life. He also explains how Cogensus uses AI in creating family memoirs that will give people a purpose and something to add to their legacy. — Watch the episode here   Listen to the podcast here   Finding Your Tribe In The Digital Age With Matthew Edgerton Our guest is an enterprising man from California who has been shaped by life experiences to leave the world a better place by helping people as they grow older. His name is Matthew Edgerton, and he's launching a company in 2025 called Cogensus, which he has created through his background of being a thought leader in the areas of artificial intelligence, innovation strategy, and product development. Prior to his latest endeavor, Cogensus, Matthew led the global strategy and GTM for the communication and media division of Accenture, Microsoft's cloud-first practice. Matthew has so much to tell us about how he got to where he is, so I'd like to welcome him to the show. Welcome, Matthew. Gail, thanks for having me. How Matthew’s Experiences Shaped Cogensus You told me you're shaped by your personal experiences. Let's start there. Can you tell our readers how this played into you starting your own company called Cogensus? Great name, by the way. Thank you. The personal experience I referenced was the particular passing of my grandfather. When I was a little guy, I spent a lot of time with my granddad. He watched me a lot from the ages of 1 to 11, when he passed away. My grandpa, I learned later in life, was a pretty exemplary guy. He went through a lot of interesting life experiences. Growing up with him in the context of being his grandchild, I was not exposed to any of that because there are a lot of adult topics you just can't talk to a child about.     I understand totally. When I was in my late twenties, I one day stumbled upon his online obituary, and it referenced a couple of things that I didn't know. I went on a research journey of my own to learn more about my grandpa. I learned that he joined World War II at seventeen. He fought and served and got a Purple Heart and a Silver Star. He came back and tried to commit suicide and then survived. A lot of intense life experiences. It's a shame that we don't have more clarity and depth on what happened there. That colored my experience. In the age of AI, I thought that a lot of people are going to be getting older. It'll be a real shame if their combined histories pass away without being saved in some form or fashion. That was one of the personal experiences that caused me to move in this direction. This is somewhat professional, but in 2022, I helped the United Nations. I wrote some climate standards for them. You can find it under the ITU group. Effectively, they have these things called SDGs, which are Sustainable Development Goals. There's a big focus on both preserving the histories of the world. That could be all kinds of different communities, including indigenous folks, all the way up to helping the world as it ages. That was where I first got exposed to this broader problem about, I’ll call it the aging world that we live in. We are going to be entering a time where we have a lot more people over the age of 60 than under it. That causes a whole bunch of both societal as well as localized changes that need to occur. By taking that into account and trying to be a positive person and leave a positive impact, and then my own personal experiences. That is what shaped Cogensus effectively. Importance Of Social Connections And Combating Loneliness There is a lot of talk about the importance of social connections and how it becomes increasingly important as we grow older to maintain and create new connections. Can you talk to our readers about social isolation versus loneliness versus social connectedness? There are three interrelated but distinct concepts, and we flirt with all of them as people of the world, at any age. Firstly, loneliness is a broader construct. Loneliness is defined in a whole bunch of different ways, but in a very simple way, it's you feel alone. Whether or not you are physically alone. For example, you feel isolated to some degree. You don't feel connected with people next to you. Loneliness can be defined in many different ways. But simply put, it is the feeling of being alone, whether or not you are physically alone. It's those whole host of negative feelings that when someone says, “I am lonely,” they could be surrounded by people in a physical sense but feel no relation to them. Typically, loneliness is defined as the interrelated experience between you and I and other people. That feeling is interpersonal. Social isolation is the act of being isolated. That could be a physical or circumstantial situation where you yourself are alone. When you are in a room by yourself, you are isolated. That can also take place, meaning that you are more isolated from a community, because maybe you live in a rural setting, or maybe, as a lot have happened, unfortunately, people pass away near to you. You become isolated within your localized group. That's social isolation. Social connectedness is a psychology concept, which is the specific measurement to some degree of your social network. Social network does not mean social media. Social network means I have two best friends. I have three acquaintances. I have one family member. Those are your relationships. The degree to which you feel connected with those people is social connectedness. For example, there's a lot of research better understanding social connectedness, because people who score very low on that scale tend to have problems with social isolation as well as the feeling of loneliness. These three things are now being recognized as health drivers to some degree. They can improve your recovery for something or your chances of readmission for something. These heavily influence those factors. They also, for example, things like cognitive decline, dementia, and a number of other cognitive conditions. If you are socially isolated, you're effectively not as engaged with some of those verbal processing things. Those can cause those conditions to speed up in their severity. That's why it's very important to focus on these concepts, especially as we age, because we become more exposed to some of these realities of the aging body. Do you think that people who are naturally introverted or say they don't need to be around people all the time, or maybe just have a few close friends and that's it? Do they suffer more health-wise than other people? It's interesting because they could be more isolated if we're talking about social isolation, but they could be less lonely. What they find with the loneliness component is that, I'll call it the feelings perspective. Social isolation becomes a problem when you think about access to healthcare or access to emergency contacts. That's why it's good to live in or near a community potentially just for the physical location of people. However, you could live remote and not be lonely at all. You could have a very high degree of social connectedness because a lot of that is self-reporting. You could say, “I feel very connected to my sister who lives across the country. We talk every day.” You might not have those negative perceptions. That's one of the things that I feel social media has been very negative for the world over. In many cases, it can magnify this perception of you feeling alone. Whether or not you're surrounded by people that may have an interest in engaging with you. I would say, an introvert might be better prepared for some of those concepts, versus an extrovert that derives a sense of purpose or activity from the relationship with other people.     Understanding The Social Determinants Of Health Tell us, what are the social determinants of health? Social determinants of health are a concept that have been talked about since 2021, which was when they first made their prime-time appearance. They effectively are non-medical-related factors that influence health outcomes. This is a very broad category. It could be everything from your income to your political outlook to the country you live in. There's a whole bunch of different things. I believe there are about 14 to 20, and they're quite easy to find, the list of SDOH. That's the acronym for it. Is there some level of importance between them? Effectively, what they're finding is that within those SDOH categories, there's a fair degree of causation or correlation. Depending on how you look at it, to health outcomes meaning some of those are very impactful. For example, loneliness and social isolation are SDOH. As of 2025, now the health community in the United States, the NCQA, which is a regulatory body as far as healthcare reimbursers and payers and things of that nature. They've now formally recognized it in their care standards that hospitals need to collect this. What they're finding is that people suffering from unrelated conditions, like cardiac readmission or broken arms or legs or limbs. Depending on your standing within these other categories, your chances of improving can heavily go up or down. What they're finding is those are factors that are both very important from an individual health perspective as well as what they call health economics, which is hospitals knowing if this person might come back. It's very important to understand those as people who are caring for others. You c

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    Reinventing Yourself, French Style: Susan Hays’ Inspiring Journey

    Reinvention isn’t just a change—it’s an art, and Susan Hays has mastered it, French style. In this episode, Susan Hays shares her journey of reinventing herself after settling in southwestern France. From managing a guest cottage to curating a boutique vintage shop and assisting clients with property searches, Susan has built a fulfilling life centered on passion and purpose. She reveals how she combines her love for France with entrepreneurial spirit, creating a life that embraces change and thrives on connection. Tune in for Susan’s insights on adaptability, building a business, and living with gusto, all inspired by the charm of French living. — Watch the episode here   Listen to the podcast here   Reinventing Yourself, French Style: Susan Hays’ Inspiring Journey How To Please Yourself By Helping Others Welcome to the show, a show dedicated to providing a platform for people who are growing older in a positive and productive way to dispense their wisdom. You can find out more about our show by going to our website at www.GrowingOlderWithGusto.com. Our guest is a woman by the name of Susan Hays who has shown by example how to reinvent herself as she is growing older. She is coming to us from Southwestern France and talking to Susan about her life makes it clear she's like a controlled tornado. She grew up on a farm in Southern England loving outdoor adventures and a passion for horseback riding. She moved to London to work as an adult where she met her husband, Roddy, and they moved around a bit, floating among three different continents. Craving warm weather brought them back to France with their five kids where they tested the waters in Provence and Pyrenees. The past twelve years, they have settled into an area in Southwestern France. I think I'm pronouncing this right, Charente-Maritime, where Susan is happily engaged in a property search and relocation business, a guest cottage endeavor, and an online boutique business. I think I need a nap already.     Welcome to the show, Susan. Great to have you. It's an absolute honor to be here. Thank you for having me. In talking to your childhood experiences seem magical in themselves. I know that horses and physical activity seem to be the predominant theme. I was wondering, looking back on your formative years, how did they create a platform for you to continue Growing Older with Gusto? Get Up And Go: Embracing An Active Life I think I'm a great believer in just getting on and doing something. I think being a farmer's daughter, even though we had help on the farm, you learn just to get on and do things. If I want something done, just go for it. Always believe in yourself, and do your best. Also just to be outside as much as possible. I'm a great believer in outside doing physical activity as much as possible. Somebody once gave me some advice, actually quite recently, and it's when you get up in the morning, no matter what the weather, stand outside and just feel fresh air for five minutes. I now do that, whether it's rain or shine, and somehow it just sets you up for the day. When you get up in the morning, no matter what the weather is, stand out and just feel the fresh air for five minutes. That's a great idea. I'll try that. Now that I'm living in a warmer climate will help. That's true. Sometimes when it's cold, it's quite tough. I haven't gone the cold bath that route. I was just going to say, I don't think I'm going to be a candidate for a cold climate. Nonetheless, me neither. I just cannot, no. You moved from southern England to London where you received a pilot's license. How did that come about? I started working in London and I was actually terrified of flying and it was I would go on holiday and whenever I was on holiday, I would worry the whole time that I had to come back and get on that airplane again. I was sharing an apartment with a lady who was older than me but she also was a private pilot instructor. She said, “Just come and do a trial flight and a little plane and see if you enjoy it.” Funny enough, I really did enjoy it. I joined the flying club and went on to take my private pilot's license which sadly is no longer current, but it was a magical time. I remember when I was quite younger, I used to always love the takeoffs and the landings. It was always thrilling, but having a fear of heights, I don't think I could ever do what you did. It was fine if they were little planes. Now I love it. Cured my fear of flying for little planes. Little planes I absolutely love. Big planes, I still hate them. I count down the seconds, literally hate it. Little planes this, we went with the flying club, we went all the way down through France. We circled Mont Blanc in the Aerobatic plane, I did acrobatics. We did just so much over, it was magical. Love, Life, And Big Game Fishing: A World Record Adventure Tell us how you met your husband, Roddy, how did, and how it changed your life. We met because I went on holiday with some work friends from London, we were with Lloyd's insurance. We met actually when he was fishing on the island of Madeira, and he had his own sports fishing business. I met because we hired one of his boats and went fishing. Speaking of fishing, you mentioned to me that you won the world record for big-game fishing. Like where were you living? How did you get involved? Was that through Roddy? That again was through Roddy. This was after we had just thought of number one at the time. He was contracted to go and work for somebody on the island of Midway, which is a long way south of Hawaii. I went out there, but only for a short time. He was out there for several months. I went out there for a couple of weeks. Whilst I was there, we decided to go for a couple of wild records and succeeded. Still standing to this day. I was quite proud of that. I did a lot of fishing with him. Amazing. Did that require you to really not talk a lot? Why you make me catch the fish? It's serious, but we work as a good team. He's always been a boat captain. When we don't have paying clients, then I will be his angler for the day. Basically ever since we met, so for 30 years or so now, we've been a team and always worked together, always. It's just worked for us. I know your family expanded rapidly and you ended up having five children. I'm curious, how did you manage to juggle parenting and all your other activities? I don't know. I absolutely love children and they come before everything always. The youngest is now eighteen so technically they're all adults, but they will always still come before anything. For me, the children are my life. They just joined in. They were really easy children, I guess, if they had been really difficult children, maybe we would only have had one. In fact, the only one that was a bad sleeper and really difficult was the very last one. Maybe that's why we only had five. Aside from her, all the others slept absolutely beautifully. She was just a bad sleeper till she was about ten. That's funny. Maybe she had a lot of excess energy knowing who her parents were. Yes, she was always the one in charge in charge of all of her siblings and always has been. Returning To France: Creating A Life In The Countryside Now I know that you and Roddy found France to be your favorite place. You ended up moving back there after living on several different continents before you landed in this area which you're calling your favorite spot. Could you pronounce that again for me? Charente-Maritime. Very nice. Tell us a little bit about how you got back there and why you're there and why it's such a special spot of yours. My great-grandmother was French, so I always had a love of France and Normandy. I still actually do love Normandy. What is from the Channel Islands, which are little islands, actually part of the United Kingdom, but they are off the coast of Normandy, so they're much closer to France than England. He always used to come across to France a lot. For both of us, we had this love of France, Normandy in particular but the weather is not. I hate cold winters and I hate long gray winters, much though I love Normandy. We decided to settle further south. We were in Provence, did not go too well for us. We were burgled and it's a long story, but eventually, we had to go abroad for work and we came back and we went abroad and we came back. When we came back the third time, having made two costly and rookie errors when you buy something in the summer and you think everything's wonderful and you don't check things out. There was nobody to speak to or to give us advice except for locals that we might meet. When we came back the last time nearly twelve years ago, we had a checklist and we really stuck to it and we knew our eldest daughter was at university in the UK. We wanted to have good transport links to her. We wanted to be relatively close to the coast. We wanted a good-sized city town within twenty minutes, a good community spirit. We knew exactly what we wanted and we knew this area. We came here, we looked around and just completely fell in love with it. We have a great microclimate. We have guaranteed long summers. We have the second sunniest driest area in France after the Mediterranean. We do get those wonderful warm summers but we also get very short, mild winters. I never think winter doesn't really start till December. Now we're January, the mimosa's out, and daffodils will be out next month. February, we get days in the 20s, which is low 70s Fahrenheit, and spring is here. It's life just great. I should mention to our readers that you have a wonderful newsletter that you sent out almost weekly, I think, with some actually exquisite photography that really illustrates exactly what you're talking about, about this part of France. I'm a Francophile, so I like France too. It's intriguing. It's an interesting pocket of France that I'm certain that a lot of

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This is a podcast that will turnaround misperceptions about the aging process and the later stages of our lives.  It will provide a forum through various interviews of people aged 75+ who are growing older in a positive way to dispel the cloud of resistance and fear of growing older that is representative of many baby boomers.  Growing older with Gusto showcases people from various walks of life who will discuss what they have done in the past, and continue to do today to give their lives meaning and to grow older with gusto. Guests who describe what it takes to embrace their later years can energize, and change the focus of baby boomers and others who have negative perceptions of this phase of life. Baby boomers, a generation that has historically had an impact on society can lose their fear of aging,  embrace our later years & be another way of this generation making its mark on society. Gail Zugerman, the host of this podcast,  is an experienced moderator, facilitator, and interviewer who spent the majority of her career as an independent qualitative marketing research consultant. Her expertise in working in the medical, B2B, and consumer markets with the older population provides a springboard for showing the way that our brains are wired to continue growing and achieving all of our lives.

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  • 제작진
    Gail Zugerman
  • 방송 연도
    2019년 - 2025년
  • 에피소드
    13
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    무삭제판
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    © 2025
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    Growing Older with Gusto