An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

Peter Stiepleman
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Welcome to An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast, a series of conversations with leaders who look back at decisions they made and consider: * What happened? * What got overlooked? * What did they learn about relationships or what new relationships were formed? * What frustrated them? * What could they have done differently? * And in the end, what was something good that came out of their experience – because it is through one's mistakes where the greatest learning takes place. I'm Peter Stiepleman. I'm your host AND I'm an imperfect leader. I spent more than 20 years teaching and leading, first in the Oakland Public Schools in Oakland, CA and then in the Midwest – Missouri, to be exact – where I was a teacher, a principal, an assistant superintendent and the superintendent of the 4th largest school district in a state of more than 500 districts. I am constantly striving to learn from my experiences and from the experiences of other leaders. The aim of this podcast is to lift the learning and lift the imperfect leaders up. That way, when you hear the term imperfect, you'll see strength, strength from the candor needed to recognize imperfection as a real advantage.

  1. 2D AGO

    Moving from Command-and-Control to Shared Stewardship: Jesse Boise and 25 Years of Coherence at Hillsdale High

    How do you keep a school transformation alive for 25 years when most initiatives fizzle out after three? Jamie Almanzán recently sat down with Jesse Boise, Assistant Principal at Hillsdale High School, to talk about the staying power of Small Learning Communities (SLCs) and what it truly means to lead with humility. Hillsdale is a "living artifact" of what happens when a school commits to a collective vision rather than a collection of individual classrooms. Whether you are a superintendent or a site leader, Jesse's insights on coherence are a game-changer. Here are some themes from his conversation that you won't want to miss: The Power of Looping and "Kid Talk": At Hillsdale, students stay with the same cohort of 112 students and four core teachers for two years. This "looping" allows for deeper relationships and more flexible interventions. They even have a weekly ritual called "Kid Talk," where teachers, counselors, and specialists sit down to discuss every single student's needs and successes. Leading by a Constitution: Hillsdale isn't run by command and control. Instead, they are guided by a formal Constitution that codifies shared decision-making. As Jesse notes, this means leaders must be "stewards" of the school's values rather than individual actors. It's about being "greater than the sum of [your] parts". The Strength of the Imperfect Leader: Jesse shared a powerful story about a time he fell short by letting his own biases drive a committee meeting. He and Jamie discussed how humble leadership (admitting mistakes publicly and acting as a tool for staff support) is actually the strongest form of leadership. If you're looking for a roadmap on how to align your school's structures with your deepest values, this episode is a must-listen. Listen to the full episode of An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast here! #EducationLeadership #SmallLearningCommunities #AnImperfectLeader #SchoolCulture #TeacherRetention #EdChat #SuptChat #Podcasserole #Imperfect Leader ------- Follow Host Peter Stiepleman on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-stiepleman-76004819a/ Website: https://imperfectleader.com/ YouTube (video of conversation): https://youtu.be/VkKiXpczSEAhttps://www.youtube.com/@animperfectleaderleadershi5144/featured Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/animperfectleader/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@animperfectleader  Follow Co-host Jamie Almanzán on: Connect with APC Leadership Collaborative for support in navigating complex leadership situations: https://www.apccollab.com -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by IXL. Boost learning with a platform proven to deliver results. IXL gives educators a complete K–12 curriculum and personalized learning plans that adapt to every student. Trusted by over 1 million teachers and 96 of the top 100 school districts, IXL helps schools outperform on state tests, and helps teachers focus on what matters most. IXL: Powerful data. Personalized learning. Real progress.  Discover what IXL can do for your school at IXL.com/imperfect -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by Yondr.  Schools around the world are seeing the damaging effects of phones on student engagement, social development, and mental health. Yondr has developed a unique product and program to allow schools to become phone-free, from arrival to dismissal. Learn why 1 Million Students use Yondr every day. MINIMIZE DISTRACTIONS. MAXIMIZE LEARNING POTENTIAL. Go to overyondr.com to learn more.    ------    The Mosaic Project, one of our favorite organizations, has over 25 years of experience empowering students to celebrate differences, communicate assertively, and resolve conflicts peacefully at their outdoor school. Their innovative SEL curriculum is now available to An Imperfect Leader listeners at a 10% discount through their new documentary film-based Mosaic Classroom Project!  The Project's ready-to-use lesson plans include film, original music, "gametivities", and real conversations.  We're proud to partner with The Mosaic Project in helping educators build inclusive, peaceful learning communities! Just mention An Imperfect Leader during the onboarding  process to receive the 10% discount.    Learn more about The Mosaic Classroom Project. ------ Think differently. Think in systems.  Reach out to The Waters Center for Systems Thinking to learn more about how systems thinking capacity building can strengthen your team and organization.  Homepage: www.waterscenterst.org Thinking Tools Studio: https://thinkingtoolsstudio.waterscenterst.org ------ An Imperfect Leader: Leadership in (After) Action is supported by ILAA, LLC, a firm dedicated to supporting aspiring, new, and established leaders. For more information, please find them at imperfectleader.com. Music for An Imperfect Leader was written and arranged by Ian Varley. Sam Falbo created our artwork, a wood-print inspired daruma doll butterfly.

    1h 10m
  2. You Might Also Like: The School of Greatness

    2D AGO ·  BONUS

    You Might Also Like: The School of Greatness

    Introducing The 5 Steps to Reprogram Your Mind and Break Every Ceiling | Lewis Howes from The School of Greatness. Follow the show: The School of Greatness Your effort isn't the problem. Your programming is. Lewis Howes spent years outworking everyone around him, and it still wasn't enough. He had the discipline, the results, even the New York Times bestseller. But inside he still felt like that broke kid on the couch who wasn't enough. That gap between outer success and inner peace is where this episode begins. Most people are running a mental operating system they never chose. The beliefs you hold about money, love, and what you deserve weren't decisions you made. They were copied and pasted from your past, reinforced by your environment, and mistaken for facts. If you don't question that program, you'll keep repeating it for the next 10, 20, 30 years. This episode walks you through five specific steps to change that. Not just a mindset shift. A full identity shift. Because people don't fail for lack of effort. They fail because they try to change their behavior without changing who they believe they are. And your identity always wins. You can't build a new mind in an old environment. That means auditing the content you consume, the people you let in, and the conversations you keep having. Lewis shares what it actually cost him to walk away from relationships and environments that were quietly anchoring him to his old self, and why it was the only move that made everything else work. If you do the work here for 30 days, you won't just think differently. You'll start showing up differently. And that's when your results begin to match the version of you that you're building inside. Make Money Easy: Create Financial Freedom and Live a Richer Life The Greatness Mindset: Unlock the Power of Your Mind and Live Your Best Life Today The Mask of Masculinity: How Men Can Embrace Vulnerability, Create Strong Relationships, and Live Their Fullest Lives The School of Greatness: A Real-World Guide to Living Bigger, Loving Deeper, and Leaving a Legacy In this episode you will: Discover why your default mental programming, not your effort, is the real ceiling on your results and how to become aware of it for the first time Learn the pattern interruption method Lewis used to stop old triggers from running his life and how to apply it in real time throughout your day Understand the identity shift principle and why changing behavior without changing identity always fails, using the concrete example of how identity must lead behavior Apply the two keys to subconscious rewiring, repetition and emotion, so that daily practices actually lock into lasting change instead of fading after a week Build a mental environment protection plan that guards your mind from the people, content, and conversations quietly pulling you back to who you used to be For more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1929 For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960 Follow The Daily Motivation for essential highlights from The School of Greatness More SOG episodes we think you’ll love: Brendon Burchard Dan Martell Dr. Caroline Leaf Get more from Lewis!  Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on Spotify Text Lewis AI YouTube Instagram Website Tiktok Facebook X Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising. DISCLAIMER: Please note, this is an independent podcast episode not affiliated with, endorsed by, or produced in conjunction with the host podcast feed or any of its media entities. The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the creators and guests. For any concerns, please reach out to team@podroll.fm.

  3. 2D AGO ·  VIDEO

    Moving from Command-and-Control to Shared Stewardship: Jesse Boise and 25 Years of Coherence at Hillsdale High

    How do you keep a school transformation alive for 25 years when most initiatives fizzle out after three? Jamie Almanzán recently sat down with Jesse Boise, Assistant Principal at Hillsdale High School, to talk about the staying power of Small Learning Communities (SLCs) and what it truly means to lead with humility. Hillsdale is a "living artifact" of what happens when a school commits to a collective vision rather than a collection of individual classrooms. Whether you are a superintendent or a site leader, Jesse's insights on coherence are a game-changer. Here are some themes from his conversation that you won't want to miss: The Power of Looping and "Kid Talk": At Hillsdale, students stay with the same cohort of 112 students and four core teachers for two years. This "looping" allows for deeper relationships and more flexible interventions. They even have a weekly ritual called "Kid Talk," where teachers, counselors, and specialists sit down to discuss every single student's needs and successes. Leading by a Constitution: Hillsdale isn't run by command and control. Instead, they are guided by a formal Constitution that codifies shared decision-making. As Jesse notes, this means leaders must be "stewards" of the school's values rather than individual actors. It's about being "greater than the sum of [your] parts". The Strength of the Imperfect Leader: Jesse shared a powerful story about a time he fell short by letting his own biases drive a committee meeting. He and Jamie discussed how humble leadership (admitting mistakes publicly and acting as a tool for staff support) is actually the strongest form of leadership. If you're looking for a roadmap on how to align your school's structures with your deepest values, this episode is a must-listen. Listen to the full episode of An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast here! #EducationLeadership #SmallLearningCommunities #AnImperfectLeader #SchoolCulture #TeacherRetention #EdChat #SuptChat #Podcasserole ------- Follow Host Peter Stiepleman on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-stiepleman-76004819a/ Website: https://imperfectleader.com/ YouTube (video of conversation): https://youtu.be/VkKiXpczSEAhttps://www.youtube.com/@animperfectleaderleadershi5144/featured Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/animperfectleader/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@animperfectleader  Follow Co-host Jamie Almanzán on: Connect with APC Leadership Collaborative for support in navigating complex leadership situations: https://www.apccollab.com -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by IXL. Boost learning with a platform proven to deliver results. IXL gives educators a complete K–12 curriculum and personalized learning plans that adapt to every student. Trusted by over 1 million teachers and 96 of the top 100 school districts, IXL helps schools outperform on state tests, and helps teachers focus on what matters most. IXL: Powerful data. Personalized learning. Real progress.  Discover what IXL can do for your school at IXL.com/imperfect -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by Yondr.  Schools around the world are seeing the damaging effects of phones on student engagement, social development, and mental health. Yondr has developed a unique product and program to allow schools to become phone-free, from arrival to dismissal. Learn why 1 Million Students use Yondr every day. MINIMIZE DISTRACTIONS. MAXIMIZE LEARNING POTENTIAL. Go to overyondr.com to learn more.    ------    The Mosaic Project, one of our favorite organizations, has over 25 years of experience empowering students to celebrate differences, communicate assertively, and resolve conflicts peacefully at their outdoor school. Their innovative SEL curriculum is now available to An Imperfect Leader listeners at a 10% discount through their new documentary film-based Mosaic Classroom Project!  The Project's ready-to-use lesson plans include film, original music, "gametivities", and real conversations.  We're proud to partner with The Mosaic Project in helping educators build inclusive, peaceful learning communities! Just mention An Imperfect Leader during the onboarding  process to receive the 10% discount.    Learn more about The Mosaic Classroom Project. ------ Think differently. Think in systems.  Reach out to The Waters Center for Systems Thinking to learn more about how systems thinking capacity building can strengthen your team and organization.  Homepage: www.waterscenterst.org Thinking Tools Studio: https://thinkingtoolsstudio.waterscenterst.org ------ An Imperfect Leader: Leadership in (After) Action is supported by ILAA, LLC, a firm dedicated to supporting aspiring, new, and established leaders. For more information, please find them at imperfectleader.com. Music for An Imperfect Leader was written and arranged by Ian Varley. Sam Falbo created our artwork, a wood-print inspired daruma doll butterfly.

    1h 10m

  4. MAY 12

    Defining the 'What' and Delegating the 'How': AJ Crabill and Mastering the Board-Superintendent Relationship

    Is your school board focused on the right things, or is it caught in a "dumpster fire" of adult drama? I recently had an terrific conversation with AJ Crabill, author of Great on Their Behalf, about how to move from dysfunctional governance to a system that actually serves children. AJ has seen it all. From serving as a parent leader to becoming a state agency leader and a national governance director, we dove deep into why school boards often fail and, more importantly, how they can become effective. Here are some themes from our conversation: Student Outcomes vs. Adult Inputs: One of the biggest mistakes boards make is trying to "own" the strategic plan. AJ argues that the board's unique expertise is representing the #vision and #values of the #community by defining student outcomes (the "what"). The superintendent then owns the "adult inputs" and the strategic plan (the "how") to get there. Authority is Collective, Not Individual: It's a common trap: an individual board member tries to go "rogue" to fix a specific issue. But AJ reminds us that state law affords zero authority to individual board members. True power only exists when the board acts collectively, ensuring the entire community has a voice in the system. Mindset is the Ultimate Lever: We often try to "professional development" our way out of problems with more knowledge and skills. While those are necessary, mindset is the foundation because it's how a leader makes meaning of the world.  If you're ready to stop "pretending to govern" and start making a real impact on student achievement, this episode is for you. Listen to the full episode of An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast. #SchoolBoard #EducationLeadership #StudentOutcomes #AnImperfectLeader #Governance #EdChat #SuptChat #Podcasserole ------- Follow Host Peter Stiepleman on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-stiepleman-76004819a/ Website: https://imperfectleader.com/ YouTube (video of conversation): https://youtu.be/VkKiXpczSEAhttps://www.youtube.com/@animperfectleaderleadershi5144/featured Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/animperfectleader/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@animperfectleader  Follow Co-host Jamie Almanzán on: Connect with APC Leadership Collaborative for support in navigating complex leadership situations: https://www.apccollab.com -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by IXL. Boost learning with a platform proven to deliver results. IXL gives educators a complete K–12 curriculum and personalized learning plans that adapt to every student. Trusted by over 1 million teachers and 96 of the top 100 school districts, IXL helps schools outperform on state tests, and helps teachers focus on what matters most. IXL: Powerful data. Personalized learning. Real progress.  Discover what IXL can do for your school at IXL.com/imperfect -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by Yondr.  Schools around the world are seeing the damaging effects of phones on student engagement, social development, and mental health. Yondr has developed a unique product and program to allow schools to become phone-free, from arrival to dismissal. Learn why 1 Million Students use Yondr every day. MINIMIZE DISTRACTIONS. MAXIMIZE LEARNING POTENTIAL. Go to overyondr.com to learn more.    ------    The Mosaic Project, one of our favorite organizations, has over 25 years of experience empowering students to celebrate differences, communicate assertively, and resolve conflicts peacefully at their outdoor school. Their innovative SEL curriculum is now available to An Imperfect Leader listeners at a 10% discount through their new documentary film-based Mosaic Classroom Project!  The Project's ready-to-use lesson plans include film, original music, "gametivities", and real conversations.  We're proud to partner with The Mosaic Project in helping educators build inclusive, peaceful learning communities! Just mention An Imperfect Leader during the onboarding  process to receive the 10% discount.    Learn more about The Mosaic Classroom Project. ------ Think differently. Think in systems.  Reach out to The Waters Center for Systems Thinking to learn more about how systems thinking capacity building can strengthen your team and organization.  Homepage: www.waterscenterst.org Thinking Tools Studio: https://thinkingtoolsstudio.waterscenterst.org ------ An Imperfect Leader: Leadership in (After) Action is supported by ILAA, LLC, a firm dedicated to supporting aspiring, new, and established leaders. For more information, please find them at imperfectleader.com. Music for An Imperfect Leader was written and arranged by Ian Varley. Sam Falbo created our artwork, a wood-print inspired daruma doll butterfly.

    1 hr

  5. MAY 5

    Lead Collectively with Peter Dewitt and Michael Nelson: Moving From Intent to Lasting Impact

    Are you leading in isolation? Education leadership can often feel like a lonely journey, navigating everything from systemic challenges to the day-to-day realities of school life. In this episode of An Imperfect Leader, we sit down with veteran educators and co-authors Peter DeWitt and Michael Nelson to discuss their transformative framework for collective leadership. In our conversation as well as in their work with the Instructional Leadership Collective, they challenge the traditional top-down approach, moving beyond mere good intentions to create lasting impact through collective efficacy. Drawing on their latest book, Lead Collectively, they share how leaders can dismantle silos and build a culture where every student and adult feels seen and heard. Whether you are a principal, superintendent, or teacher leader, this episode offers a roadmap to move from shared belief to impactful action. Three Themes to Listen For: Leadership as an Invitation to Belong: Using the unexpected example of Bad Bunny's halftime performance, Peter and Michael explain how leadership should serve as an intentional invitation to widen the circle of who belongs. The Three-Legged Stool of Collective Action: Michael and Peter introduce a powerful framework for stability in leadership. Shifting the Focus from Fixing Teachers to Modeling Actions: A core takeaway is the moment when leaders stop asking how to fix others and start asking, "What leadership moves am I taking?" #EducationLeadership #CollectiveEfficacy #AnImperfectLeader #LeadCollectively #InstructionalLeadership #SchoolCulture #SystemicThinking #K12Education ------- Follow Host Peter Stiepleman on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-stiepleman-76004819a/ Website: https://imperfectleader.com/ YouTube (video of conversation): https://youtu.be/VkKiXpczSEAhttps://www.youtube.com/@animperfectleaderleadershi5144/featured Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/animperfectleader/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@animperfectleader  Follow Co-host Jamie Almanzán on: Connect with APC Leadership Collaborative for support in navigating complex leadership situations: https://www.apccollab.com -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by IXL. Boost learning with a platform proven to deliver results. IXL gives educators a complete K–12 curriculum and personalized learning plans that adapt to every student. Trusted by over 1 million teachers and 96 of the top 100 school districts, IXL helps schools outperform on state tests, and helps teachers focus on what matters most. IXL: Powerful data. Personalized learning. Real progress.  Discover what IXL can do for your school at IXL.com/imperfect -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by Yondr.  Schools around the world are seeing the damaging effects of phones on student engagement, social development, and mental health. Yondr has developed a unique product and program to allow schools to become phone-free, from arrival to dismissal. Learn why 1 Million Students use Yondr every day. MINIMIZE DISTRACTIONS. MAXIMIZE LEARNING POTENTIAL. Go to overyondr.com to learn more.    ------    The Mosaic Project, one of our favorite organizations, has over 25 years of experience empowering students to celebrate differences, communicate assertively, and resolve conflicts peacefully at their outdoor school. Their innovative SEL curriculum is now available to An Imperfect Leader listeners at a 10% discount through their new documentary film-based Mosaic Classroom Project!  The Project's ready-to-use lesson plans include film, original music, "gametivities", and real conversations.  We're proud to partner with The Mosaic Project in helping educators build inclusive, peaceful learning communities! Just mention An Imperfect Leader during the onboarding  process to receive the 10% discount.    Learn more about The Mosaic Classroom Project. ------ Think differently. Think in systems.  Reach out to The Waters Center for Systems Thinking to learn more about how systems thinking capacity building can strengthen your team and organization.  Homepage: www.waterscenterst.org Thinking Tools Studio: https://thinkingtoolsstudio.waterscenterst.org ------ An Imperfect Leader: Leadership in (After) Action is supported by ILAA, LLC, a firm dedicated to supporting aspiring, new, and established leaders. For more information, please find them at imperfectleader.com. Music for An Imperfect Leader was written and arranged by Ian Varley. Sam Falbo created our artwork, a wood-print inspired daruma doll butterfly.

    1h 3m

  6. APR 28

    Be Bold or Go Home: Mike Miles on Rapid Systemic Transformation and the Houston Promise

    In the latest episode of An Imperfect Leader, we sit down with Mike Miles, Superintendent of Houston ISD, to discuss his career in driving high-performance cultures and rethinking how schools prepare students for the future. This conversation provides a deep look into what he describes as the largest and fastest transformation of a large urban district in the history of Texas. Here are three important themes from the conversation, featuring word-for-word quotes from Superintendent Miles: 1. Rapid Transformation Through Organizational Coherence: Mike believes that significant school improvement does not have to be an incremental, multi-year process. He attributes the district's ability to move from 121 D and F-rated campuses to zero Fs in just two years to organizational coherence. 2. Preparing Students with Human Competitive Advantages: A major focus in Houston is cultivating human skills that AI cannot replicate, such as empathy, critical thinking, and team leadership.  3. Bold Leadership in a Fast-Moving World: Mike believes leaders need to be bold and willing to redesign entire systems rather than settling for the status quo. Mike warns that most districts are overcome by events (OBE) because the future is moving faster than traditional strategic plans can accommodate. ------- Follow Host Peter Stiepleman on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-stiepleman-76004819a/ Website: https://imperfectleader.com/ YouTube (video of conversation): https://youtu.be/VkKiXpczSEAhttps://www.youtube.com/@animperfectleaderleadershi5144/featured Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/animperfectleader/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@animperfectleader  Follow Co-host Jamie Almanzán on: Connect with APC Leadership Collaborative for support in navigating complex leadership situations: https://www.apccollab.com -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by IXL. Boost learning with a platform proven to deliver results. IXL gives educators a complete K–12 curriculum and personalized learning plans that adapt to every student. Trusted by over 1 million teachers and 96 of the top 100 school districts, IXL helps schools outperform on state tests, and helps teachers focus on what matters most. IXL: Powerful data. Personalized learning. Real progress.  Discover what IXL can do for your school at IXL.com/imperfect -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by Yondr.  Schools around the world are seeing the damaging effects of phones on student engagement, social development, and mental health. Yondr has developed a unique product and program to allow schools to become phone-free, from arrival to dismissal. Learn why 1 Million Students use Yondr every day. MINIMIZE DISTRACTIONS. MAXIMIZE LEARNING POTENTIAL. Go to overyondr.com to learn more.    ------    The Mosaic Project, one of our favorite organizations, has over 25 years of experience empowering students to celebrate differences, communicate assertively, and resolve conflicts peacefully at their outdoor school. Their innovative SEL curriculum is now available to An Imperfect Leader listeners at a 10% discount through their new documentary film-based Mosaic Classroom Project!  The Project's ready-to-use lesson plans include film, original music, "gametivities", and real conversations.  We're proud to partner with The Mosaic Project in helping educators build inclusive, peaceful learning communities! Just mention An Imperfect Leader during the onboarding  process to receive the 10% discount.    Learn more about The Mosaic Classroom Project. ------ Think differently. Think in systems.  Reach out to The Waters Center for Systems Thinking to learn more about how systems thinking capacity building can strengthen your team and organization.  Homepage: www.waterscenterst.org Thinking Tools Studio: https://thinkingtoolsstudio.waterscenterst.org ------ An Imperfect Leader: Leadership in (After) Action is supported by ILAA, LLC, a firm dedicated to supporting aspiring, new, and established leaders. For more information, please find them at imperfectleader.com. Music for An Imperfect Leader was written and arranged by Ian Varley. Sam Falbo created our artwork, a wood-print inspired daruma doll butterfly.

    57 min

  7. APR 21

    Reclaiming the Human Connection: Douglas Reeves on AI, Ethics, and Leadership

    How can artificial intelligence actually make us more human? In the latest episode of An Imperfect Leader, we sit down with Dr. Douglas Reeves to discuss his timely new book, Education and the Ethics of AI: Enduring Values in a Changing World. Here are three essential themes from our conversation: 1. Reclaiming Time for the Human Side of Leadership: Dr. Reeves argues that AI's greatest gift to administrators is the gift of time. By leveraging AI to handle administrative burdens leader can get out from behind their desks. 2. Moving from Cheating to Critical Editing: Rather than viewing AI solely as a cheating machine, the discussion shifts toward teaching students to be better than AI. 3. Challenging the Bottom Feeder and Addressing Bias: Dr. Reeves describes AI as a bottom feeder because it scoops up from the Internet all the things that we have put in there for the last 50 years. Educators must teach students to think critically to identify societal errors and biases reflected in AI and then challenge it. ------- Follow Host Peter Stiepleman on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-stiepleman-76004819a/ Website: https://imperfectleader.com/ YouTube (video of conversation): https://youtu.be/VkKiXpczSEAhttps://www.youtube.com/@animperfectleaderleadershi5144/featured Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/animperfectleader/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@animperfectleader  Follow Co-host Jamie Almanzán on: Connect with APC Leadership Collaborative for support in navigating complex leadership situations: https://www.apccollab.com -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by IXL. Boost learning with a platform proven to deliver results. IXL gives educators a complete K–12 curriculum and personalized learning plans that adapt to every student. Trusted by over 1 million teachers and 96 of the top 100 school districts, IXL helps schools outperform on state tests, and helps teachers focus on what matters most. IXL: Powerful data. Personalized learning. Real progress.  Discover what IXL can do for your school at IXL.com/imperfect -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by Yondr.  Schools around the world are seeing the damaging effects of phones on student engagement, social development, and mental health. Yondr has developed a unique product and program to allow schools to become phone-free, from arrival to dismissal. Learn why 1 Million Students use Yondr every day. MINIMIZE DISTRACTIONS. MAXIMIZE LEARNING POTENTIAL. Go to overyondr.com to learn more.    ------    The Mosaic Project, one of our favorite organizations, has over 25 years of experience empowering students to celebrate differences, communicate assertively, and resolve conflicts peacefully at their outdoor school. Their innovative SEL curriculum is now available to An Imperfect Leader listeners at a 10% discount through their new documentary film-based Mosaic Classroom Project!  The Project's ready-to-use lesson plans include film, original music, "gametivities", and real conversations.  We're proud to partner with The Mosaic Project in helping educators build inclusive, peaceful learning communities! Just mention An Imperfect Leader during the onboarding  process to receive the 10% discount.    Learn more about The Mosaic Classroom Project. ------ Think differently. Think in systems.  Reach out to The Waters Center for Systems Thinking to learn more about how systems thinking capacity building can strengthen your team and organization.  Homepage: www.waterscenterst.org Thinking Tools Studio: https://thinkingtoolsstudio.waterscenterst.org ------ An Imperfect Leader: Leadership in (After) Action is supported by ILAA, LLC, a firm dedicated to supporting aspiring, new, and established leaders. For more information, please find them at imperfectleader.com. Music for An Imperfect Leader was written and arranged by Ian Varley. Sam Falbo created our artwork, a wood-print inspired daruma doll butterfly.

    42 min

  8. APR 14

    In the Mess Together: Milena Garganigo on Systems Thinking and Supporting Teachers

    How can we move from traditional schooling to truly empowered learning? In this episode of An Imperfect Leader, we sit down with Dr. Milena Garganigo, Assistant Superintendent for the Clayton School District, to discuss breaking traditional leadership models and centering student agency. Here are three key themes from their conversation: 1. The Five Pillars of Empowered Learning: Dr. Garganigo unpacks a framework designed to personalize education through five key components: Path, Place, Pace, Voice, and Choice. A standout insight is her definition of Path. It isn't just about the activities a student does, but rather the various modalities they use to demonstrate knowledge. 2. Leadership Through "Side-by-Side" Presence: To break the mental model of the distant central office, Milena and her team utilize a backup system where central office administrators are physically present in buildings to support staff and students. She emphasizes being "in the mess" with teachers, serving as a co-researcher and thinking partner rather than a top-down evaluator.  3. Building Trust to "Burn" Trust: Citing a concept attributed to Jamie Almanzán (and originally to Hattie), Milena discusses the necessity of building enough trust with staff to be able to "burn it" when making difficult decisions.  Listen to the full episode to hear more about leading with empathy and systems thinking! #EducationLeadership #EmpoweredLearning #StudentAgency #ImperfectLeader #SystemsThinking #ClaytonSchools #ProfessionalLearning #EducationalEquity ------ Follow Host Peter Stiepleman on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-stiepleman-76004819a/ Website: https://imperfectleader.com/ YouTube (video of conversation): https://youtu.be/VkKiXpczSEAhttps://www.youtube.com/@animperfectleaderleadershi5144/featured Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/animperfectleader/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@animperfectleader  Follow Co-host Jamie Almanzán on: Connect with APC Leadership Collaborative for support in navigating complex leadership situations: https://www.apccollab.com -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by IXL. Boost learning with a platform proven to deliver results. IXL gives educators a complete K–12 curriculum and personalized learning plans that adapt to every student. Trusted by over 1 million teachers and 96 of the top 100 school districts, IXL helps schools outperform on state tests, and helps teachers focus on what matters most. IXL: Powerful data. Personalized learning. Real progress.  Discover what IXL can do for your school at IXL.com/imperfect -------  An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by Yondr.  Schools around the world are seeing the damaging effects of phones on student engagement, social development, and mental health. Yondr has developed a unique product and program to allow schools to become phone-free, from arrival to dismissal. Learn why 1 Million Students use Yondr every day. MINIMIZE DISTRACTIONS. MAXIMIZE LEARNING POTENTIAL. Go to overyondr.com to learn more.    ------    The Mosaic Project, one of our favorite organizations, has over 25 years of experience empowering students to celebrate differences, communicate assertively, and resolve conflicts peacefully at their outdoor school. Their innovative SEL curriculum is now available to An Imperfect Leader listeners at a 10% discount through their new documentary film-based Mosaic Classroom Project!  The Project's ready-to-use lesson plans include film, original music, "gametivities", and real conversations.  We're proud to partner with The Mosaic Project in helping educators build inclusive, peaceful learning communities! Just mention An Imperfect Leader during the onboarding  process to receive the 10% discount.    Learn more about The Mosaic Classroom Project. ------ Think differently. Think in systems.  Reach out to The Waters Center for Systems Thinking to learn more about how systems thinking capacity building can strengthen your team and organization.  Homepage: www.waterscenterst.org Thinking Tools Studio: https://thinkingtoolsstudio.waterscenterst.org ------ An Imperfect Leader: Leadership in (After) Action is supported by ILAA, LLC, a firm dedicated to supporting aspiring, new, and established leaders. For more information, please find them at imperfectleader.com. Music for An Imperfect Leader was written and arranged by Ian Varley. Sam Falbo created our artwork, a wood-print inspired daruma doll butterfly.

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Welcome to An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast, a series of conversations with leaders who look back at decisions they made and consider: * What happened? * What got overlooked? * What did they learn about relationships or what new relationships were formed? * What frustrated them? * What could they have done differently? * And in the end, what was something good that came out of their experience – because it is through one's mistakes where the greatest learning takes place. I'm Peter Stiepleman. I'm your host AND I'm an imperfect leader. I spent more than 20 years teaching and leading, first in the Oakland Public Schools in Oakland, CA and then in the Midwest – Missouri, to be exact – where I was a teacher, a principal, an assistant superintendent and the superintendent of the 4th largest school district in a state of more than 500 districts. I am constantly striving to learn from my experiences and from the experiences of other leaders. The aim of this podcast is to lift the learning and lift the imperfect leaders up. That way, when you hear the term imperfect, you'll see strength, strength from the candor needed to recognize imperfection as a real advantage.

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