Arrows in Motion

Scott Heaton

Arrows in MotionMost podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions.Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things — and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about.Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive — there's a conversation here for you.For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff.For experienced professionals, it's a mirror — and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions.New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen.marketing strategyentrepreneurshipcareer developmentpersonal brandingagency vs in-house marketingsmall business growthcorporate leadershipwomen in businessfitness entrepreneurshipprofessional developmententry-level marketingmarketing

Episodes

  1. 4d ago

    There Is More Than Enough Work for Everybody: RJ Shay on 50 Years of Commercial Illustration

    Episode 12: RJ Shay Some careers are planned. RJ Shay's just kept going. In this episode of Arrows in Motion, Scott sits down with Bob, known professionally as RJ Shay, a St. Louis illustrator, caricaturist, and commercial artist with more than 50 years of work behind him and no intention of stopping. Bob grew up in East St. Louis in the 1950s and 60s, when it was one of the fastest growing cities in America. He graduated, walked into Obata Design, and was hired on his second day. He moved to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 1974, ran four or five freelance jobs simultaneously the entire time he was there, and left after nine years because his freelance income was three times his salary. He has been on his own ever since. We talk about what it actually meant to be a commercial illustrator before digital tools existed. Drawing artwork to fit newspaper column shapes. Scaling with a proportional scale. FedExing finished pencils from vacation stops to meet deadlines. Drawing by the light of a campfire on a float trip and shipping it the next morning. He did all of it. He loved almost all of it. Bob also talks about designing 38 coffee table books for a historian friend from East St. Louis who recently passed at 87, running the illustration section at the St. Louis Art School for seven years, and his alter ego Bad Bob, a caricature of himself on a 1975 Harley Super Glide that he rode solo across the country for 32 days. And then there is the thing he says that most creative professionals never figure out. There is more than enough work out there for everybody. He has never once been jealous of another artist. Not one time in 50 years. This one is for the creatives, the lifers, the people who found the thing they were made for and never let go of it. _________________________________________________________________ Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  2. Aug 11

    Perfect Your Craft and the Rest Will Follow: Brian Bauer of PHENIX Investigations

    Episode 12: Brian Bauer of PHENIX Investigations Brian Bauer has been doing one thing since he was 20 years old. In this episode of Arrows in Motion, Scott sits down with Brian Bauer, founder and CEO of PHENIX Investigations, for a conversation about what it looks like to build a career and a company in one of the most misunderstood industries in America. Brian started investigating right out of college and never stopped. Thirty years later, with no other profession on his resume, he runs one of the most respected private investigation firms in the country. He still loves the work. The job just looks different now. We dig into the moment he realized he could move the needle more as a leader than as an investigator, what the early days actually looked like when the biggest priority was whether the mailman would bring a check big enough to make payroll, and how his leadership style evolved from rub some dirt on it to genuinely understanding what motivates each person on his team. Brian also breaks down the misconceptions that follow his industry everywhere. It is not like television. The work is methodical, documented, legal, and increasingly digital. And if someone guarantees you results before they even know your situation, he has a simple piece of advice: run the other way. We talk about the PHENIX bootcamp onboarding model, why transparency with clients is the only sustainable business strategy, what it means to have a direct blunt style as both a superpower and a curse, and what Brian would tell a young investigator today who wants to build something that lasts. Focus on the client. Perfect your craft. Never overpromise. That is the whole thing. _________________________________________________________________ Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  3. Aug 4

    Nobody Wants to Be the Toby: Hunter Butler on Building HR That Actually Helps People

    Episode: Hunter Butler of Streib Company Everyone has a vision of what HR is. Most of them involve Toby Flenderson. Hunter Butler wants to change that. In this episode of Arrows in Motion, Scott sits down with Hunter Butler, Director of HR at Streib Company, St. Louis's premier nonunion electrical contracting firm, for a conversation about what HR looks like when it's built around people instead of policies. Hunter joined Streib three years ago because of one thing. The CEO, an electrician first and a businessman second, had built an entire company around a single question: how do we make this better for the next person coming behind us? Hunter had never seen that before. He wasn't going to walk away from it. We dig into the Streib Education Center, an internal Department of Labor-certified apprenticeship program that just made a major shift. Six first-year students last year. Thirty-two this year. And starting now they're doing it during the day, paying students while they're in class, and cutting the time they spend away from their families at night. The teachers are active Streib electricians who just lived the work they're teaching. We talk about what HR actually looks like when it's done right. Hunter's model is Ted Lasso. Be curious not judgmental. Lead with genuine care for the human being in front of you. He traces that directly to his dad. We also get into the culture vs management question, why EBITDA-or-die is not a culture strategy, and the Nintendo story about a company that cut everyone's pay instead of laying anyone off and why that's the culture everyone actually wants. For small business owners who have been avoiding the HR conversation, Hunter has a clear message. Don't wait until you're 250 people. The earlier you bring someone in who genuinely cares about building humans, the better everything else goes. _________________________________________________________________ Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  4. Jul 28

    I'm Going to Behave Recklessly With My Career for Eternity: Jon Brunts on Comic Books, Sandwiches, and the Glue Guy

    Episode: Jon Brunts of Altered State Comics & Matterhorn Stitchworks Some people have a career. Jon Brunts has a career sandwich. In this episode of Arrows in Motion, Scott sits down with Jon Brunts, owner of Altered State Comics and Matterhorn Stitch Works in St. Louis, for a conversation about what happens when you refuse to pick one thing and commit to it forever. Jon's career has been a deliberate series of pivots that look reckless from the outside. Graphic design student. Screen printer. Art teacher for autistic learners for nearly ten years. Freelance designer. Business owner. His own description: "I'm going to behave recklessly with my profession for eternity." We dig into the modern identity crisis of being asked what you do for a living when the honest answer is a rabbit hole. We talk about the glue guy, the culture hire, the vibes guy, the person who doesn't show up on a spreadsheet but makes every team around them function better. Instagram business gurus say you don't need one. Jon's entire career says otherwise. We also get into what it actually means to build something from scratch. Altered State Comics is approaching its five-year anniversary with a convention planned at the Ball and Golf Club in October, and Matterhorn Stitch Works is the little engine that could, run by two guys who nerd out over Disney parks and turned a shared obsession into a business. This one is for the people who have never had a clean answer to the question. The ones who have always done more than one thing. The ones who've been told to pick a lane and have spent their whole life proving that's the wrong advice. _________________________________________________________________ Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  5. Jul 21

    They Will Step Over However Many Bodies It Takes: Jeremy Anderson on Building an Ethical Home Services Company in a Industry Gone Wrong

    Episode: Jeremy Anderson of Express Home Services Most home service companies will never tell you what's actually happening in your attic. Jeremy Anderson will. In this episode of Arrows in Motion, Scott sits down with Jeremy Anderson, founder of a multi-branch home services company covering HVAC, plumbing, and electrical, built from the ground up with his wife and business partner Stacy on one foundational principle: honest, ethical home services where the customer is always in the driver's seat. Jeremy pulls back the curtain on what private equity is doing to the home services industry. Blackstone bought Service Champions. Apex is competing. PE firms are spending absurd amounts to acquire home service companies because they're recession-proof, AI can't replace them, and the demand never goes away. But the model they bring with them destroys the thing that made those companies worth buying in the first place. We dig into the unethical behaviors that give the industry a black eye — technicians puncturing coils to manufacture refrigerant leaks, showing customers photos of other people's damaged systems, unscrupulous upsells driven by revenue pressure from the top. Jeremy calls it the rape and pillage model. And he built his entire company as the direct alternative to it. We also talk about his four-branch growth plan, why he wants to cap each branch at $10 million, his vision for an employee ownership model modeled on REI and WinCo, why he puts his personal cell phone on every one-star review, and what it means to build a company you never intend to sell. This one is for the small business owners, the home service professionals, and anyone who has ever wondered if you can actually do things the right way and still win. _________________________________________________________________ Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  6. Jul 14

    In 20 Years of Agency Work He Never Saw This Strategy Fail — Tom Gatti of Black Twig Marketing

    Episode: Tom Gatti of Black Twig Marketing Twenty years is a long time to run an agency. Long enough to watch the industry change completely. Long enough to know what never changes. In this episode of Arrows in Motion, Scott sits down with Tom Gatti, partner at Black Twig Marketing and Communications in St. Louis, for a conversation about what it actually takes to build a marketing business that lasts. Tom started at Black Twig entirely by accident. His previous agency folded six months in. A call from founding partner Bruce Kupper changed everything. Kupper told him he could ring the bell any time he wanted to leave. But if he stuck, Kupper would teach him how to run an agency. Tom stuck. Twenty years later he has a clear point of view on everything that matters. Strategy always comes before tactics. Always. In two decades of client work he has never once seen transformational results from a business that skipped discovery and jumped straight to execution. Not one. We dig into how he handles the AI conversation with clients, why using AI without feeding it unique information produces average output every time, what A/B testing actually looks like when you commit to it the right way, how to build a professional network without ever having a hidden agenda, and what it means to finally be in a position where you can turn away the clients you know are going to be a problem. This one is for the agency owners, the business strategists, and the marketers who know the difference between what a client asks for and what they actually need. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  7. Jul 7

    The Art World Said No. The Punk Scene Said Yes. Brian Chankin of Deadly Prey Gallery

    Episode: Brian Chankin of Deadly Prey Gallery Some businesses start with a business plan. This one started with a book. In this episode of Arrows in Motion, Scott sits down with Brian Chankin, co-founder of Deadly Prey Gallery and former owner of Odd Obsession Movies, for one of the most unexpected entrepreneurship stories the show has told yet. It started when a customer walked into Brian's Chicago video store and handed him a copy of Ghana Vision. Inside were hand-painted movie posters made on flour sacks by Ghanaian artists, created originally to advertise VHS films for mobile cinema video clubs across Ghana. 80s action. Low budget horror. Kung fu. Bollywood. Each one unique. Each one wild. Brian was immediately obsessed. He tracked down Robert Kofi, an artist and gallery owner in Ghana, and what started as a conversation about decorating a video store wall became a trans-continental business partnership built entirely on trust. Robert started shipping paintings across the ocean. Brian started selling them. And Deadly Prey Gallery was born. Today Brian and Robert represent 11 Ghanaian artists, hold the largest collection of hand-painted Ghanaian movie posters in the United States, and run a touring exhibition model that packs out venues from St. Louis to Denver. No paid ads. No agency. Just a van full of paintings and an audience that shows up because the work demands it. We talk about how Brian chooses his venues, why punk rock bars beat white wall galleries every time, what it took to build a business across two continents without ever meeting his partner in person for seven years, and what happened when a John Oliver segment turned a normal week into a year's worth of business overnight. This one is for the collectors, the cinephiles, the entrepreneurs who built something out of pure love for the thing and anyone who has ever found the most important thing in their life completely by accident. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  8. Jun 30

    The Honest Truth About Why Marketing Agencies Let You Down

    Episode: Jack Nations | Marketing Director Most small business owners sign a contract with a marketing agency expecting results — and end up frustrated. In this episode of Arrows in Motion, we sit down with Jack Nations, a longtime marketing professional who made the transition from the agency world to in-house marketing leadership, and he has a lot to say about why so many agency-client relationships fail. Jack breaks down the core problem at the heart of most bad agency engagements: misaligned incentives. When an agency's success is measured by whether the client thinks they're doing a good job — rather than whether the client's business is actually growing — the strategy suffers. We explore what small business owners should look for in a strategic marketing partner, how to vet a marketing agency before signing, why brand strategy and planning should come before tactics, and what separates transactional agencies from true long-term partners. If you're a business owner trying to figure out how to choose a marketing agency, or a marketer navigating the agency vs. in-house career question, this conversation will sharpen how you think about the whole relationship. _____________________________________________________________ Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  9. Jun 23

    From Hydroponic Lettuce to Hemp Homes: James Forbes on Building at the Edge of What's Legal

    Episode: James Forbes | Tiger Fiber & Good Life Growing Most people hear hemp and think one thing. James Forbes has built two businesses around everything else. James is the founder of Good Life Growing — a hydroponic urban farm supplying local restaurants across St. Louis — and Tiger Fiber Hemp, a hemp manufacturing company turning one of the most versatile plants on earth into products most people have never considered. In this episode of Arrows in Motion, we get into the backyard chicken boom that quietly created a $7 billion market, why hemp outperforms plastic, fiberglass, timber, and cement, what it's like to build a business in an industry that was a Class A felony until recently, and what's coming next — acoustic panels, hemp insulation, EV battery casings, and hemp homes built at an affordable price point. This is an entrepreneurship story about betting on something before the world caught up. And having the patience to let it play out. Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  10. Jun 16

    No Gym, No Plan, No Problem: How Ben Smith Built a Personal Training Empire From Zero

    Episode: Ben Smith | Fitness Friend What does it take to build a successful personal training business from scratch? In this episode of Arrows in Motion, we sit down with Ben Smith, founder of Fitness Friend, who walked away from the restaurant industry to pursue his passion for fitness — and never looked back. Ben shares how he built a thriving in-home personal training business with no outside funding, growing it from a solo operation into a team of independent contractor trainers serving clients across the St. Louis area. We dig into what it actually means to go full-time as a personal trainer, how to get personal training clients organically through relationships and referrals, and why the mobile personal training model offers a level of personalization that traditional gyms simply can't match. Ben also opens up about his niche in senior fitness and in-home training for older adults — a growing and underserved market. If you're a fitness entrepreneur thinking about starting a personal training business or scaling beyond yourself, this episode is packed with real-world lessons from someone who built it the hard way. Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  11. Jun 9

    Nobody Gets Fired for Being Too Creative. Dan Graney on Copywriting, AI, and Decades of Big Swings

    Episode: Dan Graney | What does it actually mean to stay creative for decades in an industry that keeps changing the tools? In this episode of Arrows in Motion, Scott sits down with Dan Graney — veteran creative copywriter, pop culture enthusiast, and advertising lifer — for a wide-ranging conversation about the craft of copywriting, the reality of agency burnout, and what AI actually means for creative professionals who've been doing this long before the algorithms showed up. Dan brings a rare perspective: a career spanning the early internet, major brand accounts including PepsiCo, Taco Bell, and Frito-Lay, and now the AI era — and his take is that the tools change but the principles never do. Curiosity, discovery, and the willingness to push past the safe idea are as valuable today as they were when he was pitching concepts on paper. We dig into his creative brief presentation framework — Iteration, Evolution, Revolution — and why presenting three concepts at different levels of boldness isn't just a client management strategy, it's how you protect the work. Dan also shares why nobody in advertising history has ever fired a creative for being too creative, why clients actually want to feel like they're reining you in, and what happens when you strip clinical language out of a product category no one understands and just speak plainly to the consumer. For early-career copywriters and marketing students trying to break into advertising, this episode is a masterclass in creative thinking, how to use AI as a collaborative tool without losing your voice, and what a long, honest career in the creative industry actually looks like. No shortcuts. No hacks. Just craft. Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things, and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive, there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror, and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

  12. May 26

    The Corner Office Has a Cost: Kate DeWulf on Burnout, Boundaries, and What Nobody Tells You About the Top

    Kate DeWulf | Fortune 500 VP & Founder of The Big Apple Red She has the title, the salary, and the corner office — and she'll be the first to tell you the cost. Fortune 500 VP Kate DeWulf gets honest about burnout, salary negotiation, career confidence, and what it really takes to advance in corporate without losing yourself along the way. Arrows in Motion Most podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions. Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things — and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about. Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive — there's a conversation here for you. For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff. For experienced professionals, it's a mirror — and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions. New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen. Topics include: marketing strategy, entrepreneurship, career development, personal branding, agency vs in-house marketing, small business growth, corporate leadership, women in business, fitness entrepreneurship, professional development, entry-level marketing, marketing career advice, how to break into marketing, business podcast, career coaching, work-life balance, startup mindset, marketing for beginners, first job in marketing, college to career.

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Arrows in MotionMost podcasts about business and marketing tell you what to think. Arrows in Motion asks better questions.Hosted by Scott Heaton, Arrows in Motion is a long-form conversation podcast that goes deep with entrepreneurs, executives, and marketing professionals who've built real things — and learned hard lessons along the way. Each episode explores the gap between how success looks from the outside and what it actually takes to get there: the strategy, the grind, the pivots, the moments nobody posts about.Whether you're a Fortune 500 VP rethinking what career advancement really costs, a small business owner trying to figure out if your marketing agency is actually on your side, or a fitness entrepreneur building something from scratch with nothing but drive — there's a conversation here for you.For early-career marketers and marketing students trying to break into the industry, Arrows in Motion is the mentorship most people never get access to. Real talk on salary negotiation, building professional confidence, navigating agency culture, and what marketing careers actually look like beyond the job description. No gatekeeping. No fluff.For experienced professionals, it's a mirror — and a reminder that the smartest people in the room are still asking questions.New episodes drop on YouTube and all major podcast platforms. Subscribe wherever you listen.marketing strategyentrepreneurshipcareer developmentpersonal brandingagency vs in-house marketingsmall business growthcorporate leadershipwomen in businessfitness entrepreneurshipprofessional developmententry-level marketingmarketing