Between the Lies Podcast

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  1. 6d ago ·  Video

    The Part of Banking You're Not Supposed to See | Between the Lies 040

    Most people only know two roles in banking: depositor and borrower. But there are actually five key roles — and the people who understand all of them keep way more of the profit. In this episode, Luke Tatum and Rob Brayton break down the five roles involved in the banking process (depositor, borrower, lender, banker, and bank owner) and show you how to move from being a customer to taking control of the entire system in your own life. They explain how banks actually make money, why deposits are a liability to the bank, the concept of velocity, and how you can use dividend-paying whole life insurance to become the "bank owner" in your personal finances without needing to charter an actual bank. If you've ever felt like the financial system is designed to keep you on the outside looking in, this episode will change how you see money forever.   🎯 Key Topics: - The five roles in banking most people never hear about - How banks create money and profit from your deposits - Why conventional advice keeps you stuck as a depositor/borrower - How to take over the banking process using the Infinite Banking Concept - The power of thinking long-range like a real bank owner - Why dividend-paying whole life insurance is the practical tool for this   📚 Resources: Get the free toolkit: https://www.perfectspiralcapital.com/podcast  Rob's YouTube channel:  ⁨@RobBraytonPSC⁩

    48 min

  2. Jun 22 ·  Video

    From Snapchat to SpaceX: Why IPOs Are Where Smart Money Exits and Dumb Money Enters | Between The Lies 039

    Elon Musk just became the richest person in the world by a margin that's hard to even process. $1.1 trillion in personal net worth. Jeff Bezos is sitting at a distant $240-something billion looking like a participation trophy. And the thing that pushed Elon over the edge? SpaceX going public. Now, the internet had its predictable response. Half the world wanted to know why he doesn't just give it all away. The other half figured he must be sitting on a pile of coins like Scrooge McDuck. Both are wrong, and that gap between what people believe about wealth and what's actually true is exactly why this podcast exists. This week, Luke, Rob, and I used the SpaceX IPO as a lens to zoom out on something bigger: what wealth actually is, how IPOs actually work, and why the people who built a dream from the ground floor deserve every dollar they made. Luke makes a connection I didn't see coming, the 1986 Microsoft IPO created 12,000 millionaires, and one of those millionaires was Gabe Newell. Gabe Newell went on to found Valve Software and Steam. So the next time someone tells you IPO wealth is obscene, ask them if they use Steam. Rob breaks down why a $2 trillion market cap on $5 billion in revenue is the part worth being skeptical about, not the success itself, but the timing of when the average person gets in. IPOs are where the ground-floor investors get their money back. That's not cynicism, that's structure. And Luke drops the fact that ties this all together: Elon Musk earns $54,000 a year from SpaceX. That's his salary. He doesn't need more income because he doesn't need income, he has assets, and he borrows against them. That's not a loophole. That's the strategy. And it's the exact same principle Luke and Rob teach at Perfect Spiral Capital. We also get into the indie film angle, a movie made for a few hundred thousand dollars pulls $100M opening weekend, and the art director complains she only made $8,000. She took the guaranteed paycheck. She didn't take the risk. That's not the system failing her. That's the system working exactly as designed. If you've ever looked at how the wealthy use money and thought "that should be illegal," this episode is for you. And if you've ever been curious about how to build that kind of structure for yourself, without being a billionaire, PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast is where you start.

    31 min

  3. Jun 5 ·  Video

    The Genius Act, SoFi, and the Dollar's Global Digital Takeover Nobody's Talking About

    You ever wonder why the dollar hasn't collapsed yet, even though by every reasonable Austrian economics metric, it should have?   Rob and I spent this episode pulling apart the answer, and it comes in the form of a stablecoin launched by SoFi Bank. Here's the short version: SoFi just rolled out a dollar-pegged stablecoin under the framework opened by the Genius Act. It's backed one-to-one by US Treasury securities. That sounds boring until you realize what it actually does, it allows people in countries with destroyed or nonexistent banking systems to hold and transact in dollars digitally, without going through traditional banking infrastructure.   Think about the billions of people on the planet who are unbanked. They don't have a broken banking system, they have no banking system. And a lot of the currencies they live under are so unstable, or outright illegal to use internationally, that dollar access in any form is genuinely valuable. When those people start using dollar-pegged stablecoins, guess what increases? Demand for dollars. And guess what that does? It slows the inflation repatriation scenario that's been a quiet terror in Austrian circles for years, where all those exported dollars come flooding home and we end up in a hyperinflationary spiral.   Rob put it plainly: this is a mechanism to undermine other countries' central banks using the dollar. That's not a conspiracy theory. Federal Reserve Governor Waller literally said stablecoins are a tool to "import US monetary policy" across borders. This is the official play.   Does that make it good? Not necessarily. It props up the same system we've been critical of. It accelerates fractional reserve lending if every major bank eventually issues its own stablecoin, and they will, SoFi is just the early adopter. Citi and Chase will have their own eventually.   But here's the uncomfortable honest take: for people who hold dollar-denominated assets right now, a mechanism that extends dollar demand globally is a short-term stabilizer. It kicks the can further down the road. And Rob and I are both smart enough to know that's not a solution, it's just a more creative delay.   What doesn't change is the IBC thesis. Whether stablecoins extend the dollar's run for another decade or accelerate its collapse, the private banking framework Rob and Luke have built their practice around doesn't depend on the Fed making good decisions. It works regardless.   Grab the free toolkit at PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast.

    19 min

  4. May 28 ·  Video

    The Bond Market's Wolverine Moment: JPMorgan's CEO Goes Vigilante | Between The Lies 037

    So here's an embarrassing confession to kick things off: I host a financial podcast, I've talked about yield curves, I've connected bond markets to recession indicators, I've done the whole thing, and I still couldn't tell you what a bond actually was in plain English. Rob Brayton fixed that real quick. And it turns out, once you understand the basics, the current situation gets way more interesting. What's happening right now is that the bond market is effectively doing the Fed's job for it. Bond yields are climbing, which makes loans more expensive across the board, for businesses, for consumers, for everyone. The bond market isn't asking. It's telling. And even Jamie Dimon is out there warning that rates could go considerably higher from here. Here's the part I love, even though I'm not exactly a Dimon fan: this is market corrective action. Governments don't actually control economies. They warp them. They push prices and rates to places they don't naturally want to be, and eventually something bends back. We're watching that happen in real time. Rob and I also got into what this signals going forward, a potential contraction, yes, but more specifically what he calls the "higher ledge problem." The longer governments and central banks artificially suppress natural market behavior, the bigger the eventual correction. We've had artificially cheap money for so long that a lot of people have forgotten money has a price. That price is interest. Ron Paul said it, it's true, and the bond market apparently agrees. The tech concentration angle is worth watching too. When almost all the real growth in the stock market is sitting in one sector, a tightening environment hits differently than it would in a diversified market. If corporate bond exposure in tech is as deep as we suspect, that's a compounding risk nobody's pricing in. And then, because we always end on something you can actually do, Rob walks through why rising rates are actually a tailwind for properly structured IBC policies. The dividend structures on dividend-paying whole life improve when rates climb. More importantly, the people who are well-capitalized right now are the ones who'll be playing offense when everyone else is scrambling. You want to be that person. Free toolkit at PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast. And stay tuned, there's something new coming for those of you who already have a policy and aren't sure what to do with it next.

    21 min

  5. May 25 ·  Video

    Priced in Gold: What the 1970s Oil Crisis Can Actually Tell Us About Today's Market | Between The Lies 036

    You know what's great about cheap energy? Everything. Literally everything gets cheaper, food, travel, starting a business, going on tour with your band. You know what's not great? When a war we didn't have to start keeps gas prices elevated long enough that you start doing the math on whether it's worth visiting your family this summer. That's where we are in Episode 036. Luke, Rob, and I dig into the current oil price situation, why it's lingering, how it compares to the 1970s shocks, and what's really driving the cost of filling up your tank. Spoiler: it's not just a supply chain hiccup. Luke pulled Trump's actual quote where he told reporters that Americans' financial situations "don't motivate him even a little bit" when he's negotiating with Iran. I had a reaction to that. It rhymes with Marie Antoinette. Rob brings something genuinely useful to the table, pricedingold.com. When you measure oil in gold instead of dollars, the picture looks pretty different than the financial media wants you to believe. The 1970s comparison everyone keeps making? It's not apples to apples, and Rob explains exactly why. That's the kind of context you're not going to get from CNBC. We also get into the fertilizer angle, because the same fossil fuel cycle that runs your car runs the nitrogen-rich fertilizers that grow your food. And the lag time means we probably haven't even seen the full grocery bill impact yet. Then we do what we always do, we turn it into something you can actually use. Luke and Rob make the case for why liquid capital, built-in reserves, and a little entrepreneurial positioning can turn a moment of instability into a genuine opportunity. Having dry powder when everyone else is scrambling? That's not just smart, it's the whole game. This is a shorter episode, but it's tight. No filler, just the context you need to understand what's happening, why it's happening, and how to come out on the other side of it better than you went in. Check out Rob's separate channel at Rob Brayton PSC for his deeper financial analyses. Grab the free toolkit at PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast Websites Referenced: pricedingold.com

    24 min

  6. May 13 ·  Video

    A Tale of Two Economies: Michael Burry's Warning Amid Lowest Consumer Sentiment In 74 Years | Between The Lies 035

    I'm going to level with you. The numbers we talked about this week genuinely made me stop and stare. The University of Michigan's Consumer Sentiment Index, which they've been tracking for 74 years, just hit 47.6. That's lower than where it was during the 2008 crash. Lower than COVID. The all-time high was 110.1 back in Y2K when everyone was eating brownies and convinced the world was about to end but also fine. We are currently at less than half that. Meanwhile, the stock market is celebrating like it's 1999. So which is it? If you have to ask, you probably feel the answer every time you fill up your gas tank. Rob pointed out that gas hit a national average of $4.50 per gallon, not long after it was sitting at $2.20-something. That's not a statistic. That's your Tuesday. This is the K-shaped economy in real time. Assets are skyrocketing because there's been a 55% expansion in M2, the actual money supply, from 2020 to 2024. Your dollar buys less. The things you buy cost more. The things you don't own keep going up without you. Michael Burry, who called the '08 collapse, isn't saying short the market. He's smarter than that now. He's saying reduce exposure to anything going parabolic. Don't get greedy. The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent, a phrase I had to throw in there and Rob didn't immediately recognize, which made me feel better about myself. The Austrian School called this. Ludwig von Mises basically wrote the instruction manual for how intervention in the economy creates ripple effects that never go where the planners intended. COVID stimulus checks felt like a lifeline. That 55% M2 expansion is what you're living inside of right now. Luke's point in this episode is the one I want you to sit with: you don't need a business degree, a Harvard MBA, or even a winning day trade. You need to stop outsourcing your financial life to institutions that may not be there when you need them. The FDIC did not cover everyone who thought it would. That's the whole show, honestly. The external system is not built for you. Your job is to build something that is. Grab our free toolkit and get started: PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast Websites Referenced: Federal Reserve Economic Data (FRED): fred.stlouisfed.org University of Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index CNBC (Michael Burry quote source, referenced in episode)

    29 min

  7. May 9

    Bank of America Does It. Paul Atkins Does It. Should You? The Life Insurance Truth | Between The Lies 034

    The SEC Chair walks in with 54 life insurance policies, and the internet collectively loses its mind. Yahoo Finance, Forbes, Fortune, they're all writing the same hit piece with the same confused energy: "Why would anyone do that?" Yeah. Why would anyone do that. This week Luke, Rob, and I dig into the Paul Atkins disclosure story, and honestly, it's one of those moments where the establishment does the work for us. Because here's the thing, every headline calling this bizarre is written by people who apparently never looked at a bank's FDIC financial statement. Spoiler: your bank has hundreds of millions, sometimes billions, in life insurance cash value. It's tier-one capital. It's on their financial statement. It's public. They just don't want to talk about it. We also spend some time on Dave Ramsey, which is always a good time. Specifically, Luke drops the origin story of "buy term and invest the difference,"  a phrase credited to A.L. Williams, who then went and created Primerica, where he sold term policies and investments. The exact products. The same pitch. The thing Dave accuses your IBC practitioner of doing? Dave's hero reinvented it to sell his own stuff.  Rob breaks down why 54 policies isn't the weird part, the weird part is how most people never think to use life insurance the way banks and wealthy families have for generations. The mechanics of a policy loan, why repaying it puts money back in your own pocket instead of a bank's, and how Atkins probably has $6 million in cash value he can deploy on any deal he wants, no bank approval, no committee, no waiting, that's the story nobody's writing. Thomas Sowell gets a mention (there are no righ or wrong financial choices, only trade-offs), Tom Bilyeu gets a mention (assets are the whole game), and the velocity of money concept gets probably its clearest explanation we've ever done on this show. If you've been curious about IBC and keep bouncing off the jargon, this episode is a good entry point. Real world news story, real dollar figures, real comparison to the Dave Ramsey approach, and a real alternative. Head to PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast for the free toolkit. That's where the education starts. Websites Referenced: PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast FDIC.gov (referenced for looking up bank life insurance assets) Rob Brayton PSC (YouTube) — Dave Ramsey reaction video referenced

    30 min

  8. Apr 29

    Palantir, Tencent, and the Architecture of Financial Surveillance: The X Money Episode | Between The Lies 033

    Remember when The Circle came out and everyone kind of laughed it off? A social media company that just… becomes the government? Cute little dystopian fiction. Yeah. Elon Musk is pushing X toward full "everything app" status, payments, savings accounts, a Visa partnership, money on deposit. It's being sold as convenience. And it probably will be convenient. That's kind of the problem. This week Luke, Rob, and I dug into what happens when you let a single platform own your financial life. We used WeChat as our case study, a billion-plus users in China, integrated payments, location data, social media, and unencrypted communications all flowing through one pipe. The parent company, Tencent, is technically private. But the Chinese Communist Party holds golden shares, small equity stakes with board seats that give them direct influence over content, regulation, and strategic direction. You don't need a majority. You need the right seat at the table. Here's the part that made my head hurt: the U.S. government just took equity positions in Intel. We've talked about government creep into American corporations on this show before. Add in the fact that credit card companies are already issuing green scores based on your spending habits, and the social credit infrastructure isn't a future problem. It's already partially assembled. The "road to hell is paved with convenience" came up, and I think that's the real thesis here. Nobody signs up for surveillance. They sign up for one-click payments and a 6% savings rate. The control comes later, after the habits are formed and the alternatives have atrophied. Luke made the point that matters most: owning your own banking function, what we talk about every week with IBC, puts the control back in your hands. Not in X. Not in Tencent. Not in whatever government takes a golden share next. A private, non-market-correlated strategy that predates the IRS isn't convenient in the Netflix-buffering sense. But it doesn't go offline when a government subpoena lands either. And Rob reminded us that the problem being "solved" by X Money is convenience, not your actual money problem. Your money problem is that only a fraction of your money is working for you at any given time. That's what IBC solves. One platform to rule them all does not. Also: several of my friends had their X accounts hacked this week. Glad none of them had their bank accounts in there. Free toolkit and more at PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast Websites Referenced: PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast X.com / X Money WeChat / Tencent  Palantir

    27 min
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