61 episodes

A podcast about belief, un-belief and everything in between.
Hosts Scott Trout (a Christian from America) and Joey Vervaart (an Agnostic from the Netherlands) come from two different worlds, yet they believe in the power of conversations.
Here they seek to give space for people to share their stories of faith (or lack thereof) and how those beliefs are lived out. They are hoping that through the back and forth of differing ideas, better ideas can emerge, promoting greater dialogue between those who believe in God and those who don't.
Follow us on Insta or FB: @BetweenTwoWorldsPodcast

Between Two Worlds Scott Trout

    • Religion & Spirituality
    • 4.9 • 8 Ratings

A podcast about belief, un-belief and everything in between.
Hosts Scott Trout (a Christian from America) and Joey Vervaart (an Agnostic from the Netherlands) come from two different worlds, yet they believe in the power of conversations.
Here they seek to give space for people to share their stories of faith (or lack thereof) and how those beliefs are lived out. They are hoping that through the back and forth of differing ideas, better ideas can emerge, promoting greater dialogue between those who believe in God and those who don't.
Follow us on Insta or FB: @BetweenTwoWorldsPodcast

    50. The Self-Conscious Seed: Scott Trout Sermon on Acting and the Need to Surrender

    50. The Self-Conscious Seed: Scott Trout Sermon on Acting and the Need to Surrender

    Scott Trout's story of acting, fame, and trying to be the life of the party all the while still trying to be a Christian and "measure up" spiritually. This led to a constant battle of trying to please those around him and getting lost in who he actually wanted to be. What Scott needed was to realize he is just a seed not an autonomous human being, and he needed to submit to the process of "being gardened."
    "The seed needs to die to two things: living for its own fruit and trying to grow on its own strength"--Scott Trout

    Key Texts:

    "Unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit." John 12:24

    "I am the vine, you are the branches.... apart from me you can do nothing" John 15:5

    Scott was the speaker at the Navigator Emerging Leaders Conference in the UK in February 2024.


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    • 36 min
    49. Taken For Granted: Scott and Briana Trout Share the Most Vulnerable Moments of Their Marriage-- w/ Nowa O'Connell

    49. Taken For Granted: Scott and Briana Trout Share the Most Vulnerable Moments of Their Marriage-- w/ Nowa O'Connell

    Volatility in marriage. Being forced to go to counseling. Taking each other for granted, but fighting their way out of it and surviving only because of their faith. Welcome to the nitty gritty of Scott and Briana Trout's marriage. This is a new thread on the Between Two Worlds podcast where host Scott Trout and his wife Briana are interviewed by someone else to try to bring to life their beliefs and how it impacts their day to day life. Nowa O'Connell interviews Scott and Briana separately to see how they keep from taking each other for granted and what was one of the most vulnerable moments of their marriage.



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    48. A Message of Guilt or Love? Dutch Atheist on Reading the Bible for the First Time-- Luuk Elkhuizen Part Two

    48. A Message of Guilt or Love? Dutch Atheist on Reading the Bible for the First Time-- Luuk Elkhuizen Part Two

    "You will die as bad people if you do not believe in me" Jesus in the Book of John. Is the Bible more a book about guilt or a book about love?

    Scott's Dutch Neighbor, Third Generation Agnostic, Luuk Elkhuizen sits down with Scott after reading the book of John to share the things he likes about Christianity and the things he doesn’t like. Also discussed is the difference between how the Bible describes justice and how Western society describes justice. Lastly, Scott shares quotes collected from those who think there is value in being religious.



    For people of faith, how would you describe the message of the Bible?

    For agnostics and atheists, do you think it is bad to judge people and call them a bad person?



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    47. God, The Universe, or Love: Dutch Atheist on Who Do We Say Thank You To?-- Luuk Elkhuizen Part One

    47. God, The Universe, or Love: Dutch Atheist on Who Do We Say Thank You To?-- Luuk Elkhuizen Part One

    Dutch People Don't Talk about Their Spiritual Beliefs, But It's Starting to Change. Is the Universe Governed by an Unknown Force Called Love or the God of Christianity? Third generation Dutch atheist-- Luuk Elkhuizen joins Scott to talk about how religion was never on his mind growing up... until now.
    Dutch society is so secularized that many young people are becoming increasingly curious about if there is a God and specifically what Christianity is all about. Luuk found it hard to find someone who actually believes in Christianity growing up. Now Luuk has started to read the Bible with Scott and is coming up with his own opinion about who Jesus was and what the Bible is all about.


    For people of faith, how would you articulate what it means to live by love?
    For agnostics and atheists, do you think there is a new feedback loop happening in society with so many not being religious?


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    • 52 min
    46. Marriage is 100% Dying to Yourself.... in a Good Way-- Nick Maddy Part 2

    46. Marriage is 100% Dying to Yourself.... in a Good Way-- Nick Maddy Part 2

    Why is 'divorce is off the table' for so many religions? Do Christian overcomplicate dating and marriage? How to make a long-distance relationship work?

    Former American missionary to Kiwis in New Zealand and Friendly American with a Great Beard--- Nick Maddy shares about how he basically broke the rules to start dating his now wife, Elise; how to keep things fresh and creative during long distance relationships; and what Nick would say to someone who is hesitant to get married.
    "In any Christian relationship, we are to be like Jesus, completely dying to ourselves in all aspects and laying our life down for the sake of the other." Nick on the Christian view of marriage.


    For people of faith, in what way did God direct your relationship if you are in one?

    For agnostics and atheists, do you think Christians overcomplicate things with how they talk about marriage and relationships?



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    • 47 min
    45. How New Zealand Nearly Broke American Missionary-- Nick Maddy Part 1

    45. How New Zealand Nearly Broke American Missionary-- Nick Maddy Part 1

    "Is it ok that I do more in you than through you" --God to Nick while on the mission field in New Zealand.
    Former American missionary to Kiwis in New Zealand and Friendly American with a Great Beard--- Nick Maddy shares about how he found God through the car crash of his friend in college, how he decided to give up everything for 'God', and how he had a horrible time in New Zealand as a missionary.... and might go back.



    For people of faith, have you heard a call "to go" from God like Nick did, if so what did you do about it?

    For agnostics and atheists, do you see any harm in the way Nick leads his life trying to "listen to God's voice"?



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    Intro song by: Matthew Lee Lohr

    Outro song by: Jan-Pieter Eversdijk


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    • 53 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
8 Ratings

8 Ratings

L.Inga ,

Authentic Stories

Interesting dialogue that builds bridges between world views and beliefs in an honest and authentic manner. I appreciate that this podcast seeks to understand another point of view through real life stories and thought-provoking questions. I always learn something and find that my own beliefs and worldview are sharpened and challenged! Great listen. Great life stories shared.

Great for the curious ,

Chicken Noodle Soup for the Soul

We’re all spiritually curious. I’ve never met someone who truly has no interest in the spiritual element of life (although some show their hand by violent rejection of the topic). With that in mind, it’s shocking for me to realise how rarely I have had conversations in the style that is presented in this podcast.

We humans, by nature, are not very good listeners. We tend to listen to respond, instead of listening to understand. Maybe that’s the reason we don’t tend to find the sweet, peaceful spot that Scott and Joey seem to reach here.

That spot is something I’ve come to admire the more I have listened to this podcast. It’s not that anybody is particularly enlightened. Nobody has radically changed my opinions or views on life. Yet hearing these discussions about faith and life has given me a hunger for a world that just doesn’t seem to be - where we can gather and discuss our own emotional, spiritual, and social faith systems without fear of retribution or biteback.

It boils down to this: B2W has created a space for listening, and through the art of listening, has said more than any person on their soapbox.

So listen and learn. Perhaps we can all learn to speak through our ears.

Bntrout9316 ,

Intriguing, funny and inviting!

Love this podcast! I love the openness and the stories from different perspectives. Great job!

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