Beyond Listening

Miriam Jones and Adam Rumack, Co-Founders of Open Circle

Brought to you by Open Circle: a podcast for leaders and change makers who listen, adapt, and act. With guests from diverse industries, cultures, and political perspectives, and episodes that distill the lessons we’ve learned, and the questions we are still asking, after decades of guiding organizational and personal transformations. Join us on a journey of soul and spirit in leadership and action. Hosted by Miriam Jones and Adam Rumack. For more information visit https://www.weareopencircle.com

  1. 03/04/2025

    E 58: Women's Wisdom

    In honor of International Women’s Day, we bring you a special episode of the Beyond Listening Podcast. Today, we celebrate the power, resilience, and wisdom of women by hosting five extraordinary guests who have courageously walked their unique paths in the world. Each of these women brings a powerful story of leadership, perseverance, and strength. Guests: Dr. Mona Armijo (Florida, USA) – A trailblazer working with Military SEALs, one of the few women among these honorable men. Mossy Kilcher (Alaska, USA) – The eldest daughter of the iconic homesteading family featured on Discovery Channel’s Alaska The Last Frontier. Michelle Duval (Sydney, Australia) – Founder of Marlee, a pioneering global AI company. Liesl Coleman (Oregon, USA) – Leader at The Curry Watershed Partnerships in Curry County Oregon. Dr. Tjanara Goreng Goreng (Australia) – A First Nations Australian leader, joining from India, where she is engaged with a women’s university dedicated to UN peacekeeping efforts. This episode explores the many facets of womanhood, identity, community, and the sacred connections that women forge. Our guests share their personal journeys, reflecting on resilience, courage, leadership, and the evolving roles of women across cultures. We also discuss the importance of psychological safety, inner strength, and the transformative power of feminine leadership in today’s world. Join us in celebrating International Women’s Day by listening, sharing, and contributing to this vital conversation. We invite you to be part of this global celebration by joining our free International Women’s Day online gathering on March 8th at 9 AM PST. Share your story, listen to others, and connect in a powerful community of women and allies. Key Takeaways: The energy within a circle of women is profoundly powerful. Women often carry the weight of their communities and families. Personal journeys are interconnected, shaping identities and experiences. Spirituality can play a significant role in self-discovery and resilience. Women’s voices and stories contribute to a larger, evolving narrative. Connection to nature provides solace and a sense of belonging. Sharing experiences empowers and uplifts others. Diversity in women’s perspectives enriches collective wisdom. Recognizing the sacredness of womanhood strengthens individual and communal identity. Community support is essential for growth, healing, and transformation. Links Celebrating Women's Stories: A listening circle for International Women's Day Register here Walking Wild on the Feather River; a retreat for women walking their path in the worldMore information here Mossy Kilcher: Wikepedia and a short film on youtube with her Michelle Duval: LInkedin. and her organization, Marlee website and you can see her on a previous episode of our podcast here Liesl Coleman: Her bio on the website and the website of the organization she has run and built for the last 20 years or more, Curry Watershed Partnership Dr Tjanara Goreng Goreng: LInkedin and her website here and you can see her on our podcast hereDr Mona Armijo: LInkedin and an interview about her book here

    1h 28m

  2. 02/20/2025

    E 57: Women & Men Are Different

    In this episode, Miriam Jones and Adam Rumack dive into why they have chosen to do women and men focused leadership work this year. From examining the dynamics of power and the challenges women face in leadership to the necessity of self-reflection and personal growth, this conversation sheds light on how both retreats foster personal development and empowerment. This conversation however isn’t just about retreats—it’s about embracing who you are, overcoming societal norms, and connecting with others in meaningful ways. Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion on collaboration, courage, and the journey to empower oneself and others

    43 min
  3. E 56: Songs from the Wilderness: Atz Kilcher’s Reflections on Returning to Our Roots

    10/15/2024

    E 56: Songs from the Wilderness: Atz Kilcher’s Reflections on Returning to Our Roots

    In this chat around the fireside, Atz Kilcher shares his deep connection to music, nature, and the journey of self-acceptance. Reflecting on his childhood, he explores how the wilderness shaped his understanding of himself and the world around him. Atz reveals the therapeutic power of music and how returning to nature can help veterans and others find peace, purpose, and personal growth. Weaving stories of his time in Fox Canyon at the head of the Kachemak Bay in Alaska and the art of basket weaving, he illuminates how these practices connect us to nature and the wisdom of community, healing, and shared experiences. November 2nd: Songs from the Wilderness Topa Insitute, Ojai California On November 2nd join Atz Kilcher for an unforgettable evening in the serene beauty of the Topa Topa Mountains. Celebrate the powerful journey of veterans healing through nature and music. Featuring performances by Atz Kilcher, Andrew Wiscombe, Stephen Covell, Kate, and Secily Anderson, this concert brings the stories and songs of veterans to life in a way that inspires, uplifts, and connects us all. All proceeds from this event will support veterans' healing trips to Heroes Healing Homestead, a place where veterans connect with nature, each other, and themselves in the magical setting of Alaska’s Kachemak Bay. Help us give back to those who have served by supporting this incredible cause. Families welcome. More Information and Buy Tickets here Special Experiences: Intimate concert and storytelling with Atz Kilcher under the Teaching Tree at 1pm November 2nd. Limited VIP tickets available. Main Concert: Enjoy Sister Friends, Andrew Wiscombe, Steven Covell and Wintergrain - hosted by Atz Kilcher in a stunning outdoor Amphitheatre nestled in the Topa Topa Mountains, Ojai California After party jam with all musicians by the Kiva fire. Limited VIP tickets available.Farmers Market: Explore local food and goodies from veteran-owned businesses from 2pm - 6pm. Silent Auction launched online October 15th: Unique handmade items from Atz Kilcher, musician memorabilia, guided adventures with Open Circle, and a chance for a trip to the Kilcher Homestead in Alaska hosted by Atz Kilcher and his family, fishing trip in the Kachemak Bay and a private concert by the fire with Atz Kilcher at Heroes Healing Homestead. Final bids Veterans Day, November 11th 2024.

    1h 7m
  4. E 55: Songs from the Wilderness: Nature, Music, and the Heart of a Veteran: A deep dive with Andrew Wiscombe

    09/20/2024

    E 55: Songs from the Wilderness: Nature, Music, and the Heart of a Veteran: A deep dive with Andrew Wiscombe

    In this heartfelt episode of Beyond Listening, we sit down with veteran and musician Andrew to explore his journey from the military to a powerful career in songwriting. Andrew shares his early roots in punk rock and country music, how music helped him cope with the aftermath of his military service, and the transformative experiences he’s had through the Heroes Healing Homestead initiative, co-hosted by Atz Kilcher and Operation Encore. Andrew opens up about his time in the military, his struggle with PTSD, and how songwriting became an essential outlet for processing the trauma. He also discusses a profound revelation he had during a trip to the Heroes Healing Homestead in Alaska, a healing retreat for veterans. Andrew describes how this experience unlocked deep memories, leading him to confront past trauma and begin a journey of healing. Through raw honesty, Andrew talks about the challenges of balancing a sensitive heart in a military environment, shedding the tough exterior, and reconnecting with his true self through music and nature. We also get a special treat as Andrew performs two of his songs, including the emotional "Alone with You" and the poignant "Working Man’s Mile," both of which speak to themes of resilience, authenticity, and finding peace in unexpected places. We wrap up with a look ahead to the upcoming *Healing Heroes: Songs from the Wilderness* concert in Ojai, California, featuring Andrew, Atz Kilcher, and other talented musicians. Join us as we explore how nature, community, and music can create powerful healing experiences for veterans and beyond. Show notes: Andrew Wiscombe website Learn more about the event: Healing Heroes: Songs from the Wilderness Donate to the work of HHH and Open Circle Foundation  Learn more about Heroes Healing Homestead Learn more about Open Circle Foundation Learn more about Operation Encore

    1h 4m

  5. 09/12/2024

    E 54: Navigating the Unknown: The Art of Guiding Change with Adam and Miriam

    In this episode, Adam and Miriam, co founders of Open Circle, dive deep into the complexities of guiding change, offering practical insights into both horizontal and vertical transformations. They emphasize the critical need for understanding and accepting change, while also exploring the common resistance humans face, often rooted in our fear of loss. Throughout the conversation, they address the challenges individuals and organizations encounter when guiding change, from managing resistance to recognizing what is truly essential. Adam and Miriam reflect on how our evolutionary attachment to status and identity can make embracing change difficult, sometimes leading to anxiety, depression, or a lack of meaning. Key Takeaways: Change is constant, and learning to navigate it is crucial. There are two types of change: horizontal (superficial) and vertical (deep, fundamental). Resistance to change, rooted in fear of loss, can block growth and lead to anxiety and depression. Nature teaches valuable lessons on cycles of life and interdependence, providing perspective on change. Vulnerability and listening are key skills for effectively guiding others through transformation. Leaders must reflect on their own biases and be open to learning from others. Links Vertical and Horizontal Change: article by Adam Ruumack Open Circle Training: Guiding Change (October 2024) Research Report: Positive Effects of time spent in nature Research Report: Positive effect of Listening Circle and Mindfulness

    1h 3m

  6. 07/17/2024

    E 53: Breaking Barriers: Adaptive Fitness and Resilient Community Spirit with Kiersten McCartney

    Kiersten McCartney, “Coach K”, the program director and co-founder of Arena Adaptive, shares her journey and passion for engaging people with disabilities in exercise, fitness, and sport. She discusses the origins of her passion and the intentional community-building approach she takes in her work.  The conversation covers a wide range of topics related to adaptive fitness, healthcare challenges for people with disabilities, and the importance of inclusion and understanding. Coach K shares insights on her work, the impact of her programs, and the need for greater awareness and support for individuals with disabilities.  We also delve into the significance of treating people with disabilities as individuals and the value of adaptive sports. Coach K shares her experiences in creating inclusive fitness programs and starting an amputee soccer team. Links: More Than Fitness Arena Adaptive Promotional Video So Everybody Can Move website Open Circle Foundation Get in contact with Coach K and Arena Adaptive: Website Instagram: @runyourdays @kmmacc17 @arena.adaptive Linkedin

    59 min

  7. 06/06/2024

    E 52: The Impact of Nature on the Brain w/Amy McDonnell, University of Utah Applied Cognition Lab

    In our latest episode, we dive deep into the fascinating world of nature and its profound effects on the brain with Amy McDonnell, a research fellow at the University of Utah Applied Cognition Lab. Meet Our Guest: Amy McDonnell Amy McDonnell brings a wealth of knowledge and experience from her background in neuroscience and environmental psychology. Her research at the University of Utah Applied Cognition Lab focuses on the intersection of wilderness therapy, neuroscience, and environmental neuroscience. Amy's quest to identify biomarkers and neural signatures of the nature experience is groundbreaking, providing valuable insights into how nature impacts our brain and overall well-being. In this episode, we cover...  Environmental Neuroscience: This emerging field examines how different environments, particularly natural ones, influence brain activity and stress physiology. Amy delves into the importance of understanding these impacts to develop effective therapeutic interventions. Biomarkers and Neural Signatures: The quest for identifying specific biomarkers and neural signatures associated with nature experiences is central to Amy's research. These findings could revolutionize how we approach mental health treatment and rehabilitation. Spiritual and Mystical Aspects of Nature: Beyond the scientific, Amy explores the spiritual and mystical aspects of nature, discussing how these experiences can profoundly affect our psyche and emotional health. Virtual Reality (VR) Nature: For individuals who cannot access nature due to various constraints, VR nature simulations offer a promising alternative. Amy talks about the potential of VR to replicate the multi-sensory experiences of nature and its applications in healthcare. Challenges of Reintegration: After immersive nature experiences, reintegrating into urban environments can be challenging. Amy emphasizes the need for follow-through support to help individuals maintain the benefits gained from nature therapy. Interdisciplinary Collaboration: Amy highlights the importance of interdisciplinary collaboration in nature and health research. Show Notes Open Circle Foundation: Link Nature and Human Health Washington: Link Nature and Human Health Utah: Link REI Cooperative Action Fund: Link University of Utah: @universityofutah Amy McDonnell: @amymcd09 The Nature and Human Health Utah: @naturehumanhealthut Contribute to the Open Circle Foundation and our ongoing research partnership with the Cognition Lab. We are together creating greater access to the transformative power of Nature for all.

    50 min

  8. 06/04/2024

    E51: Deciding how to Decide with Miriam and Adam

    Deciding how to Decide This conversation between Open Circle Founders, Miriam Jones and Adam Rumack, explores the topic of decision-making and challenges the assumptions we have about how and why decisions are made. It discusses the definition of decisions and power, both at an individual and group level. The conversation encourages questioning the structures and methods of decision-making and provides a framework for deciding how to decide. It explores different types of decision-making methods, factors to consider in decision-making, and the pitfalls and benefits of each method. The conversation also delves into the power dynamics and leadership styles involved in decision-making. It concludes by emphasizing the need for agile decision-making and the importance of transparency and trust in the decision-making process. Takeaways Decisions are actions that involve conscious or unconscious choices and have the power to impact our environment. Individuals and groups make decisions, and there are various methods of decision-making, including command, voting, consult, consensus, and consent. Factors to consider in decision-making include the level of impact, the number of people involved, and the time available. Questioning the structures and methods of decision-making can lead to innovation and adaptation, but it also requires a mindset shift and may disrupt existing power dynamics. Transparent decision-making processes and building trust are essential for effective decision-making in organizations. Shownote Links Link to Deciding how to decide model and Leadership Qualities Presentation

    34 min
See All (57)

5
out of 5
12 Ratings

About

Brought to you by Open Circle: a podcast for leaders and change makers who listen, adapt, and act. With guests from diverse industries, cultures, and political perspectives, and episodes that distill the lessons we’ve learned, and the questions we are still asking, after decades of guiding organizational and personal transformations. Join us on a journey of soul and spirit in leadership and action. Hosted by Miriam Jones and Adam Rumack. For more information visit https://www.weareopencircle.com

Information

  • Creator
    Miriam Jones and Adam Rumack, Co-Founders of Open Circle
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2025
  • Episodes
    57
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Miriam Jones and Adam Rumack, Co-Founders of Open Circle
  • Show Website
    Beyond Listening