Beyond the Paycheck

Aura Finance

Beyond the Paycheck brings you candid conversations with CHROs and top people leaders who are rethinking how compensation and benefits impact more than just employee bank accounts. From the first paycheck to financial wellness programs, we explore how money shapes identity, equity, purpose, and power at work, and how forward-thinking companies are using pay and perks to transform lives, not just attract talent. This podcast is sponsored by Aura Finance, the financial wellness platform designed to help employees feel confident, secure, and in control of their money. See more at aurafinance.io

  1. Why Open Enrollment Isn't Where Employees Actually Use Benefits

    5H AGO

    Why Open Enrollment Isn't Where Employees Actually Use Benefits

    Summary Most employees don't think about their benefits until something goes wrong—and by then, they've already forgotten the open enrollment presentation, the brainshark, and the guide they skimmed in October.  In this episode, Kelsey Willock sits down with Chloe Jones, Executive Director of Global Benefits at CACI International, for an honest conversation about where benefits delivery actually breaks down and what it takes to reach people when it matters.  Chloe's path into benefits started with a serendipitous lunchroom friendship at a small insurance brokerage—a colleague she'd chatted with for a year wrote her an unsolicited recommendation on the way out the door, and Chloe got the job that launched everything. That story tells you a lot about how she thinks: relatable, generous, and grounded in the reality that most people don't grow up learning how money works.  She and Kelsey get into why benefits communication has to happen everywhere all year (not just at enrollment), why employees won't tell you they don't understand the information, how AI is about to reshape benefits navigation while raising serious data privacy questions, and what at-home diagnostic kits could mean for the future of preventative care. If you design, deliver, or communicate benefits programs, Chloe's perspective on meeting employees where they actually are—not where you assume they are—will sharpen how you think about the work. Timestamps 00:16 – Chloe's winding path from history degree to global benefits leadership06:17 – First job at Limited Too and the first paycheck that went straight to a manicure07:16 – Why Chloe has no earliest memory of money—and what that says about financial education10:26 – How humble beginnings shaped her approach to employee communication14:22 – Where benefits break down: the delivery gap between enrollment and real life18:23 – AI, PII, and the tension between personalization and data privacy21:00 – At-home diagnostic kits and what's coming next for the employee experience Takeaways Open enrollment gets people enrolled—it doesn't teach them how to use what they have; the real work happens all year longEmployees wear work masks and won't tell you they don't understand the information; you have to communicate across every channel, not just the one that fits your company's "look and feel"Frame benefits so people can find what they need in the moment they need it, not just when you're ready to present itFinancial education is missing from most people's upbringing; staying relatable in how you communicate isn't optional, it's the jobWatch the intersection of AI-powered benefits navigation and data privacy closely—legislation is coming, and your contracts need to be ready Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-jones-5a60556b/ Company website: https://www.caci.com Sponsor Aura Finance helps you simplify compensation and benefits planning by bringing everything into one streamlined platform. No more juggling spreadsheets, disconnected tools, or manual calculations Aura gives you a single place to design, compare, and communicate total rewards packages with confidence. With AIpowered insights, it takes the guesswork and busywork out of comp decisions, helps you spot pay equity gaps early, and makes it easy to model scenarios that keep your teams engaged and your budgets on track. See a demo at https://www.aurafinance.com/ (00:16) - Chloe's winding path from history degree to global benefits leadership (06:17) - First job at Limited Too and the first paycheck that went straight to a manicure (07:16) - Why Chloe has no earliest memory of money—and what that says about financial education (10:26) - How humble beginnings shaped her approach to employee communication (14:22) - Where benefits break down: the delivery gap between enrollment and real life (18:23) - AI, PII, and the tension between personalization and data privacy (21:00) - At-home diagnostic kits and what's coming next for the employee experience

    23 min
  2. What a Dime Jar Taught Me About Pay, Anxiety, and Employee Empathy

    5H AGO

    What a Dime Jar Taught Me About Pay, Anxiety, and Employee Empathy

    Summary What does a first confession in 1980s Arizona have to do with how a Chief People Officer thinks about pay and benefits today? More than you'd expect. In this episode, Kelsey Willock sits down with Ann Watson, Chief People Officer at Cover Genius, for an honest, humane conversation about money, empathy, and the quiet benefits that change people's lives. Ann leads people operations for a global insurtech company with roughly 700 employees across 23 countries, and she's spent most of her career guiding tech startups through the messy 50to500 growth phase. She opens up about growing up in a family that didn't have much but valued education, her first salaried job at an earlystage Starbucks, and why she works hard to never assume she knows someone's financial story—even when she technically knows their salary. Ann and Kelsey get into where compensation and benefits are breaking down in the US, the trap of chasing global parity, a failed "will and advanced directive" lunch that taught her a lot about the gap between what people say they want and what they'll actually act on, and why she's a true believer in pay transparency. If you care about building benefits programs that actually show up for people in their hardest moments, this one's worth your time. Timestamps 02:18 – Ann's earliest memory of money (and a first confession confession)05:14 – Her first fulltime salary and what it revealed about generational money07:25 – Why knowing what everyone earns teaches you to assume nothing12:16 – Where US pay and benefits are breaking down most14:50 – The trap of chasing global parity across countries17:30 – The willandtestament lunch that didn't go as planned20:30 – Remote work as a lifechanging benefit, not just a perk26:48 – Why Ann is allin on pay transparency Takeaways Check your assumptions about what employees earn, know, or can handle financially—salary tells you almost nothing about someone's real money storyDesign benefits for the worst moments of someone's life, not just the recruiting pitchResist chasing global parity—build locally relevant benefits and communicate the "why" clearlyTest desire against action before building a program; what people say they want and what they'll show up for are rarely the sameEnroll employees in the safetynet benefits they'll never think to ask for—life insurance, LTD, autoenrolled 401(k)sLean into pay transparency even when it feels uncomfortable; the rigor it demands makes everything else better Guest LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/annwatson5404a48/ Company website: https://www.covergenius.com Sponsor Aura Finance helps you simplify compensation and benefits planning by bringing everything into one streamlined platform. No more juggling spreadsheets, disconnected tools, or manual calculations Aura gives you a single place to design, compare, and communicate total rewards packages with confidence. With AIpowered insights, it takes the guesswork and busywork out of comp decisions, helps you spot pay equity gaps early, and makes it easy to model scenarios that keep your teams engaged and your budgets on track. See a demo at https://www.aurafinance.com/ (02:18) - Ann's earliest memory of money (and a first confession confession) (05:14) - Her first fulltime salary and what it revealed about generational money (07:25) - Why knowing what everyone earns teaches you to assume nothing (12:16) - Where US pay and benefits are breaking down most (14:50) - The trap of chasing global parity across countries (17:30) - The willandtestament lunch that didn't go as planned (20:30) - Remote work as a lifechanging benefit, not just a perk (26:48) - Why Ann is allin on pay transparency

    28 min
  3. Why Your Benefits Communications Are Still Too Complicated to Work

    5H AGO

    Why Your Benefits Communications Are Still Too Complicated to Work

    Summary A hotel company with 120 properties across the country went from 20% open enrollment engagement to over 85% in a single year—and 21 properties hit 100%. The trick wasn't a new platform or a bigger budget. It was handing ownership to local leaders and a little friendly competition. In this episode, Kelsey Willock sits down with Brian Sosa, Director of Benefits at Crestline Hotels and Resorts, to talk about what actually moves the needle on benefits engagement when your workforce is scattered, multilingual, and rarely sitting at a desk. Brian brings a refreshingly analytical but human perspective to the work. He shares the story of buying a toy Hummer as a kid that taught him it's okay to spend money, how he invoiced his dad in dessert for his first "real" job, and how those early lessons shaped the way he designs tools and communications today. Kelsey and Brian get into why benefits break down most often (hint: it's not just communication), how to translate retirement contributions into "gallons of gas" so employees actually understand them, why sometimes launching the wrong thing is faster than running another survey, and where AI and care navigation tools may genuinely reshape the employee experience in the year ahead. If you lead a distributed workforce or just want sharper ideas for making benefits land, Brian's perspective is worth an hour. Timestamps 00:48 The toy Hummer and the lesson that it's okay to spend04:00 Brian's first "paycheck" paid in dessert by his dad08:18 Where benefits break down: complication, not just communication10:19 Translating retirement contributions into gallons of gas12:37 The 120-property competition that drove 85%+ open enrollment engagement16:31 Why the right benefits admin platform is really a data strategy19:14 Launching things intentionally instead of waiting for survey results21:24 Care navigation, AI, and what may actually shift the employee experience Takeaways Make benefits language relatable — translate percentages into real-world dollars or something people already spend money onHand ownership of engagement down to local leaders and add a little friendly competitionDon't let survey fatigue stall you; sometimes launching the wrong thing surfaces what people actually need faster than askingInvest in data infrastructure, not just benefits programs — the insights shape next year's strategyWatch care navigation tools and AI closely; the real employee impact may be less about features and more about cost and access Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-sosa/ Company website: https://www.crestlinehotels.com Sponsor Aura Finance helps you simplify compensation and benefits planning by bringing everything into one streamlined platform. No more juggling spreadsheets, disconnected tools, or manual calculations Aura gives you a single place to design, compare, and communicate total rewards packages with confidence. With AI-powered insights, it takes the guesswork and busywork out of comp decisions, helps you spot pay equity gaps early, and makes it easy to model scenarios that keep your teams engaged and your budgets on track. See a demo at https://www.aurafinance.com/ (00:48) - The toy Hummer and the lesson that it's okay to spend (04:00) - Brian's first "paycheck" paid in dessert by his dad (08:18) - Where benefits break down: complication, not just communication (10:19) - Translating retirement contributions into gallons of gas (12:37) - The 120-property competition that drove 85%+ open enrollment engagement (16:31) - Why the right benefits admin platform is really a data strategy (19:14) - Launching things intentionally instead of waiting for survey results (21:24) - Care navigation, AI, and what may actually shift the employee experience

    27 min
  4. Why Your Benefits Strategy Is Failing Employees (And How to Fix It)

    2D AGO

    Why Your Benefits Strategy Is Failing Employees (And How to Fix It)

    Summary What if the secret to building a thriving workforce started with a five-year-old saving a dollar a day? In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Charmion "Charm" Patton, Chief Human Resources Officer at Hillsborough County Public Schools and a 25-year HR generalist, to explore how personal money lessons shape the way leaders design benefits that actually transform lives.  Dr. Patton shares the childhood habit that taught her financial discipline, then unpacks how that same mindset informs her approach to employee well-being today. From bundled surgery programs that eliminate out-of-pocket costs, to the looming questions around GLP-1 medications, to the simple power of reminding overworked educators it's okay to take a bio break, this conversation is packed with practical wisdom for HR leaders, benefits professionals, and anyone navigating the intersection of compensation, care, and culture.  Dr. Patton makes a compelling case that financial wellness isn't just about retirement — it's about meeting employees where they are today and giving them the tools to build a quality life right now. Timestamps [00:54] – Dr. Patton's earliest money memory: saving a dollar a day  [05:52] – How her money story shapes her benefits philosophy  [06:46] – Why financial wellness matters beyond retirement  [09:15] – Where compensation and benefits break down most often  [12:33] – A bundled surgery benefit that's transforming employee care  [18:07] – Benefits trends shaping the next year: advocacy and GLP-1s  [22:41] – A 30-day financial wellness experiment anyone can try Takeaways Reframe saving as a reward, not a sacrifice, to build sustainable money habitsDesign benefits with the employee's full financial picture in mind, not just the company's bottom lineOffer bundled care options to remove cost barriers and encourage preventative treatmentTrack claims data over time to measure the real impact of new benefit programsPrepare for rising employee advocacy around high-cost medications like GLP-1sStart small with financial goals — $10 saved beats $0 every time Sponsor Aura Finance helps you simplify compensation and benefits planning by bringing everything into one streamlined platform. No more juggling spreadsheets, disconnected tools, or manual calculations Aura gives you a single place to design, compare, and communicate total rewards packages with confidence. With AI-powered insights, it takes the guesswork and busywork out of comp decisions, helps you spot pay equity gaps early, and makes it easy to model scenarios that keep your teams engaged and your budgets on track. See a demo at https://www.aurafinance.com/

    26 min
  5. How Crunch Fitness Cut Part-Time Turnover 24% With One Bold Benefits Move

    APR 16

    How Crunch Fitness Cut Part-Time Turnover 24% With One Bold Benefits Move

    What happens when you stop assuming what employees need and actually ask them?  Pamela J. Brown, EVP and Head of People & Culture at Crunch Fitness, joins Beyond the Paycheck to share how she's transforming the employee experience across 550+ gym locations in six countries. From implementing a 401(k) with match after an inaugural engagement survey to making Crunch Fitness the only big-box gym offering full benefits to part-time employees — resulting in a 24% retention improvement — Pam reveals the framework behind building benefits programs that deliver measurable ROI.  She opens up about her earliest money memories, the mentor who shaped how she leads, and why mental fitness training, leadership development, and creative no-cost benefits are just as critical as traditional compensation. Whether you're trying to get buy-in from senior leadership on a new pilot program or looking for hidden value in your existing vendor relationships, this episode is packed with tactical strategies you can start using this week. Timestamps [00:49] – Pam's earliest money memory and the Disneyland lesson that changed her perspective [06:00] – How personal money experiences shape her approach to total rewards [07:43] – Driving engagement and utilization: closing the loop on employee feedback [09:30] – Why Crunch Fitness offers full benefits to part-time employees [12:02] – Leadership development and mental fitness as total rewards [16:29] – Getting executive buy-in for mental health programs [18:19] – The hypothesis-test-prove framework for benefits ROI [23:43] – A 30-day experiment: unlocking hidden vendor benefits Takeaways Close the feedback loop — tell employees what you heard, what you did, and show the resultsTest bold hypotheses with pilot programs, prove ROI with retention data, and pivot fast when something isn't workingExplore no-cost and low-cost benefits like low-interest loan programs, EAP negotiations, and vendor partnershipsTreat leadership development and mental fitness training as part of your total rewards package — not separate line itemsAudit your vendor relationships: brokers, 401(k) providers, and EAPs often have hidden benefits you haven't activatedIncentivize preventative care usage to drive healthier outcomes and reduce insurance cost increasesGuest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelabr/Company Website: https://www.crunch.com

    25 min
  6. Why Your Employees Are Choosing the Wrong Health Plan — And How to Fix It

    APR 14

    Why Your Employees Are Choosing the Wrong Health Plan — And How to Fix It

    Summary What if the biggest obstacle to your employees' financial well-being isn't their salary — it's that they don't understand what they already have? In this episode of Beyond the Paycheck, host Kelsey Willock sits down with Erin Desrosiers, CCP, Compensation and Benefits Leader at HOK, the global architecture and design firm with 1,700+ employees across 27 offices.  Erin brings over a decade of experience in compensation and benefits to an honest conversation about the affordability crisis facing today's workforce, why employees consistently choose the wrong health plan, and what companies can actually do about it. From the triple tax advantage of HSAs that most workers overlook, to why fertility benefits generate the most gratitude she's ever seen, to the "job hugging" phenomenon keeping people frozen in place — Erin doesn't shy away from the hard truths. She also makes a compelling case for something deceptively simple: just talk to your benefits team. They want to hear from you. Whether you're an HR leader designing your next open enrollment or an employee trying to stretch your paycheck further, this episode delivers practical, actionable guidance you can use starting today. Timestamps [00:35] – Erin's earliest money memory: the nickel-and-dime sibling hustle [03:10] – Why data matters more than personal opinion in comp & benefits [05:05] – Job hugging, AI anxiety, and why employees aren't moving [08:24] – Shopping for health insurance like car insurance [11:08] – The deductible conversation most adults still need [14:18] – Fertility benefits: the most appreciated offering Erin has ever provided [16:01] – Remote, hybrid, or in-office: why companies are holding to their values [18:00] – The 30-day experiment: HSAs, feedback, and advocating for yourself Takeaways Treat health insurance decisions like car insurance — compare premiums, deductibles, and out-of-pocket maximums rather than defaulting to the most expensive planLeverage HSA triple tax advantages: pre-tax contributions, tax-free growth, and tax-free withdrawals for eligible expensesShare candid feedback with your benefits team — they hear complaints but rarely learn what employees actually valueConsider fertility benefits as a high-impact offering that transforms employee loyalty and builds familiesRecognize "job hugging" as a real workforce trend driven by AI uncertainty and distrust in hiring processesEducate employees year-round on their benefits, not just during open enrollment seasonGuest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erin-desrosiers-ccp-50652536/Company Website: https://www.hok.com

    21 min
  7. From Cost Shift to Care Shift: Tom Armani on Value-Based Primary Care and Personalizing Benefits

    APR 14

    From Cost Shift to Care Shift: Tom Armani on Value-Based Primary Care and Personalizing Benefits

    Summary High-deductible plans were meant to save money—but for many employees, they’ve created “functional uninsured” risk and delayed care that drives bigger costs later. Tom Armani, most recently Director of Global Benefits at Dayforce and a 20+ year benefits leader, unpacks how employers can reverse the affordability crisis while improving outcomes. He explains why self-funded benefits should be run like a small business, the misaligned incentives across carriers, providers, and PBMs, and how value-based advanced primary care can lower total cost of care. Tom shares a practical model he implemented—partnering with a curated marketplace of independent primary care groups with fees at risk and clinical reconciliation. He also tackles the engagement gap: why point solutions go unused, how just‑in‑time personalization (via claims and wearable data) boosts relevance, and how to do it within HIPAA using vendor-led outreach. The episode closes with actionable steps for financial wellbeing—from capturing the employer match to using HSAs/FSAs and advocacy partners—plus a call to build healthcare literacy so employees can actually navigate their plans. Timestamps [00:40] – Early money mindset: Depression-era frugality and why affordability matters [02:15] – First jobs to benefits philosophy: Understanding paycheck-to-paycheck realities [07:35] – Where benefits break down: Self-funded spend, misaligned incentives, HDHP pitfalls [10:59] – The true cost of delayed care and ER utilization [11:30] – Fixing incentives: Value-based advanced primary care and independent networks [14:45] – The engagement gap: Point solutions, personalization, and AI-driven outreach [16:15] – Doing personalization right: HIPAA, vendor-led targeting, and data privacy [19:10] – Healthcare literacy for new workers and navigation challenges [21:05] – Next best actions: Employer match, HSAs/FSAs, emergency savings, and advocacy Takeaways - Run benefits like a P&L—interrogate incentives across insurers, providers, and PBMs. - Reduce overexposure from HDHPs; restore first-dollar coverage for prevention and primary care to avoid downstream costs. - Pilot value-based advanced primary care with independent groups and at-risk fees tied to outcomes. - Close the engagement gap with personalized, just-in-time outreach powered by claims/biometric data—delivered by privacy-compliant vendors. - Build healthcare literacy and offer advocacy so employees can navigate networks, prior auth, and plan design. - Coach “next best actions”: capture the employer match, fund HSAs/FSAs with pre-tax dollars, create an emergency savings buffer, and ask for help early. Sponsor Aura Finance helps you simplify compensation and benefits planning by bringing everything into one streamlined platform. No more juggling spreadsheets, disconnected tools, or manual calculations Aura gives you a single place to design, compare, and communicate total rewards packages with confidence. With AI-powered insights, it takes the guesswork and busywork out of comp decisions, helps you spot pay equity gaps early, and makes it easy to model scenarios that keep your teams engaged and your budgets on track. See a demo at https://www.aurafinance.com/

    22 min
  8. Why You'll Compare TVs but Not Doctors: The Baldwin Group's Nick Getz on Healthcare's Consumerism Problem and What's Coming in 2027

    APR 9

    Why You'll Compare TVs but Not Doctors: The Baldwin Group's Nick Getz on Healthcare's Consumerism Problem and What's Coming in 2027

    Summary How do you help employees make smarter healthcare decisions in a system that’s anything but consumer-friendly? Nick Getz, National Director of Underwriting & Innovation, Employee Benefits at The Baldwin Group, breaks down how employers can communicate value, drive preventive care, and control rising costs—without overwhelming their people. The Baldwin Group is one of the fastest-growing brokerages in the U.S. with 5,000+ employees, and Nick brings a clear, practical lens: benefits are a retention engine, not just an attraction perk. He shares how to tell the full total-compensation story, why messages need 8–9 touches across existing channels, and how to tailor preventive care to each person’s reality—from GLP‑1 users to simple habit stacking. Nick also explains why U.S. healthcare lacks true consumerism, what that means for navigation and price transparency, and which trends—like pass-through PBMs and regulation—will reshape the employee experience in the next two years. Expect actionable guidance on steering employees to high‑value care, simplifying choices, and preparing for a noisy but necessary wave of change. Timestamps [00:17] – Nick’s role at The Baldwin Group: underwriting innovation, controlling healthcare and pharmacy spend [01:23] – Early money lessons: earning, saving, and the value of choice [02:23] – First jobs and spending that first paycheck—plus the saving lesson that stuck [04:07] – Benefits as retention: telling the total compensation story and what really drives loyalty [06:17] – Communication that works: 8–9 touches, multi-channel, and quarterly focus themes [09:36] – Preventive care redefined: habits, chronic conditions, GLP‑1 use, and meeting people where they are [15:22] – The biggest breakdown: where to go for care and why healthcare lacks true consumerism [19:38] – What’s ahead: regulation as a warning sign, drug costs, transparent PBMs, navigation—and a noisy 2027 Takeaways - Treat benefits as a retention engine—tell the full total compensation story, not just premiums and copays. - Communicate with repetition and variety—use existing channels, aim for 8–9 touches, and theme messages by quarter. - Personalize preventive care—meet people where they are, connect mental and physical health, and promote small, stackable habits. - Steer employees to high‑value care—offer navigation support, explain cost differences, and demystify copays vs. HDHPs. - Tackle pharmacy spend—evaluate transparent, pass‑through PBMs and support access strategies for high-cost, life-saving meds. - Prepare for regulatory shifts—expect noise before clarity; prioritize member experience and cost transparency now. Sponsor Aura Finance helps you simplify compensation and benefits planning by bringing everything into one streamlined platform. No more juggling spreadsheets, disconnected tools, or manual calculations Aura gives you a single place to design, compare, and communicate total rewards packages with confidence. With AI-powered insights, it takes the guesswork and busywork out of comp decisions, helps you spot pay equity gaps early, and makes it easy to model scenarios that keep your teams engaged and your budgets on track. See a demo at https://www.aurafinance.com/

    24 min

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Beyond the Paycheck brings you candid conversations with CHROs and top people leaders who are rethinking how compensation and benefits impact more than just employee bank accounts. From the first paycheck to financial wellness programs, we explore how money shapes identity, equity, purpose, and power at work, and how forward-thinking companies are using pay and perks to transform lives, not just attract talent. This podcast is sponsored by Aura Finance, the financial wellness platform designed to help employees feel confident, secure, and in control of their money. See more at aurafinance.io