The Healthcare Hangover

David Contorno, Emma Fox
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A Podcast about the perverse incentives in the US Healthcare system by 2 long time healthcare and health insurance experts that leave us feeling hungover.

  1. 12/24/2024

    Navigating Client Loss: The Value of Healthcare Consulting vs. Brand Name Brokers

    In this episode, Emma and David dive into the gut punch of losing a long-time client right before Thanksgiving. After saving them a jaw-dropping $85 million, the client still jumped ship, swayed by a new exec chasing the clout of a big-name broker. The conversation cuts into the disconnect between what employers think their employees want and what they actually need in healthcare.   Emma and David don’t hold back their frustration with the industry’s obsession with flashy brands and so-called "free" services—distractions that mask skyrocketing costs and subpar care. Now stepping into a consulting role with the client, they hammer home the critical need for transparency and bold leadership from employer groups. The episode wraps with a direct challenge to employers: it’s time to rethink your health insurance strategy and the brokers you're trusting with it.   TIMESTAMPS: [01:15] Losing a major client and reevaluating their decision-making process. [04:08] Concerns about the client transitioning to a traditional broker. [12:00] The compensation structure for traditional brokers. [20:04] The potential resistance from large brokerage firms toward greater transparency. [27:20] Growing public dissatisfaction with large health insurance companies and the increasing shift away from traditional insurance models. QUOTES:   "What’s of the greater value, the $85 million or the couple hundred thousand dollars worth of free stuff you get every year?" -David Contorno"We have convinced employers that our value is not on what we can do to control healthcare costs; our value is on all the things that we put around that." -David Contorno"The perception of having a brand name really is more important than the value of not, and truly, if you are paying attention to the American public's reaction... they do not want big health insurance."- Emma Fox SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS David Contorno LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcontorno/ Emma Fox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmamariefox/ WEBSITE E-Powered Benefits: https://www.epoweredbenefits.com/ Emma Fox: https://emmamariefox.com/   Mixed & Edited by Next Day Podcast info@nextdaypodcast.com

    28 min

  2. 12/17/2024

    Justice or Retribution? The Assassination of a Healthcare CEO and America's Anger

    In this episode, Emma and David delve into the shocking assassination of Brian Thompson, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, exploring its implications on the American healthcare system. They discuss the public's lack of sympathy for Thompson, highlighting how his leadership contributed to a significant increase in denial rates for healthcare services. The conversation reveals a growing awareness among consumers about the systemic issues within health insurance, as many express their anger and frustration over personal experiences with the system. Emma & David reflect on the morality of the situation, acknowledging the tragedy of Thompson's death while also recognizing that it has sparked a much-needed dialogue about accountability in healthcare. They critique the responses from UnitedHealthcare's leadership, particularly Andrew Witte, who downplays the public outcry and dismisses the concerns of millions affected by the insurance system. The episode emphasizes the need for change and encourages listeners to understand the complexities of healthcare access and the profit-driven motives of insurance companies. Ultimately, it serves as a call to action for both consumers and industry leaders to seek a more equitable healthcare system. TIMESTAMPS:  [00:40] The assassination of United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson and the reaction of the public. [04:34] Denial rates under Thompson’s leadership [09:25] Moral implications of Thompson’s death [14:20] Quotes from Andrew Witte analyzed [18:12] United Healthcare’s revenue and impact [25:27] Future of healthcare accountability QUOTES:   "It took a millionaire executive of a large publicly traded company to die in a sensational fashion for it to really matter. Millions of people have died, but their deaths didn't garner the same attention." -David Contorno"When millions of Americans are taking to social media to celebrate the broad daylight assassination of a human being, there is a freaking problem." -Emma Fox"Andrew Witte is weaving a thread of truth in his lies. Yes, doctors over-prescribe and over-treat, but that does not justify the role that United Healthcare plays in denying care." -David Contorno SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS David Contorno LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcontorno/ Emma Fox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmamariefox/ WEBSITE E-Powered Benefits: https://www.epoweredbenefits.com/ Emma Fox: https://emmamariefox.com/ THANKS!

    34 min

  3. 11/19/2024

    Healthcare in Focus: Politics, Policy, and Perception

    In this thrilling episode, we dive deep into the drama of healthcare and politics, exploring how recent elections could transform the future of healthcare legislation. Our hosts dissect the heated debate around RFK’s controversial healthcare nomination, questioning the leadership behind life-altering decisions for millions. We then shift to the inspiring rise of grassroots movements fighting for a people-first healthcare system, showcasing how citizens are driving real change. Ending with a powerful call to action, this episode is packed with tension, insights, and stories that will keep you hooked from start to finish.   TIMESTAMPS   [00:54] Political elections and their impact on healthcare, with a comparison to historical events. [02:25] The likelihood of bipartisan healthcare legislation lasting and the challenges of political compromise. [03:52] The frustration of political barter, where healthcare decisions are treated as leverage rather than focusing on the needs of the American people. [06:20] RFK’s healthcare nomination and the emphasis on needing qualified individuals with clinical experience in decision-making. [16:15]  How grassroots movements are shaping healthcare conversations and their influence on policy reform. [19:43] Insightful take on the future of healthcare legislation and the power dynamics that continue to affect real change.   QUOTES   "It infuriates me that we have people making pretty substantial decisions about how to deliver and finance healthcare in this country who can't even tell me the difference between health insurance and health care. We’re staunch proponents of putting clinicians in charge, or at least in an advisory capacity, to help us understand how this should work."- Emma Fox"We've gotten into this bipartisanship where you can't even see one bit of good in what the other side proposed. It's become an all-or-nothing thing, and that’s a shame. If I get 80% of what I'm asking for, I'll take it and deal with the other 20% later. But no one settles for less than 100% anymore."- David Contorno"The more I figure out how healthcare legislation works, the more annoyed and angered I become. It feels like as much as we’d like for this to be about Americans, it's really not. It's about using the American people as leverage in political bartering."- Emma Fox SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS David Contorno LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcontorno/ Emma Fox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmamariefox/ WEBSITE E-Powered Benefits: https://www.epoweredbenefits.com/ Emma Fox: https://emmamariefox.com/   Mixed & Edited by Next Day Podcast info@nextdaypodcast.com

    20 min

  4. 10/15/2024

    Insurance Industry Shakeup: Consolidation, Broker Influence, and Cost Implications

    Hosts Emma and David pull back the curtain on the explosive $7.75 billion deal between Marsh and McGriff, unpacking what this massive consolidation means for healthcare costs, broker incentives, and the future of the industry. Is your broker really working for you? Or are big players pulling the strings? They dive into the controversial concept of employer 'Stockholm syndrome,' debate the value of wellness programs, and break down why traditional insurance might be failing us. With broker compensation models under the microscope and a fierce comparison of Medicare Advantage vs. commercial plans, this episode hits the heart of the biggest challenges in insurance today. Don't miss out on action-packed insights and the future of independent advisors in a world dominated by giants. TIMESTAMPS [02:13] Concerns about consolidation in the insurance industry [05:56] Criticism of large brokers' influence on healthcare costs [09:21] Financial incentives and Stockholm syndrome  [16:13] Future of consolidations  [18:51] Treating patients as numbers [24:48] Being swayed by incentives [27:50] Motivation behind charitable acts   QUOTES   “I think to deny the influence of financial incentives is to deny humanity. We've had it for years, not years, millennia. And we need to recognize these are the financial incentives.” David Contorno“Like at some point us folks who are independent, who are running family based businesses, who are giving advice as individual experts, who have paid our own way through certifications and education, and C.E. have done it all ourselves from our own pocketbooks to build these businesses from scratch. It lessens our ability to help and give incentives that are good when these big massive entities are buying each other and will, like I said this a few months ago, I've been saying this for a couple of years.”-Emma Fox“And I will say, listen, I'm a former carrier rep. I never knew that what I was doing was bad until I found out I did not go to work with this evil grin and this, ooh, I can't wait to see who I'm going to screw over today. That never occurred to me. I was very well trained. I was very well hypnotized by a lot of very important board meetings.”- Emma FoxSOCIAL MEDIA LINKS David Contorno LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcontorno/ Emma Fox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmamariefox/ WEBSITE E-Powered Benefits: https://www.epoweredbenefits.com/ Emma Fox: https://emmamariefox.com/ Mixed & Edited by Next Day Podcast info@nextdaypodcast.com

    30 min

  5. 10/15/2024

    The Truth About Self Funding

    In this episode, Emma & David break down the world of self-funding in healthcare, tackling the big myths and uncovering game-changing strategies. Employers often fear self-funding is too risky, but guess what? Many are already doing it through captives without even knowing! They’ll explain the difference between fully insured and self-funded plans, clearing up the confusion. The conversation then shifts to cutting healthcare costs. From avoiding level-funded plan overcharges to leveraging free drug programs and direct contracts, they explore smart ways to save. But it doesn't stop there—they also shine a light on systemic issues in healthcare, like the urgent need for cost transparency to prevent crushing medical bills. It's a can't-miss episode for anyone looking to take control of their healthcare costs!   TIMESTAMPS [02:20] How fully insured actually works [06:45] Who is paying the claims [09:27] What is level funding [15:40] What Emma & David actually do at E Powered [20:04] The common loss outcome [22:38] Transparency in healthcare costs [24:11] Advice for employers   QUOTES   “The difference though is that in fully insured you have no control over where the risk comes off your shoulders. You're forced to do with whatever the carrier thinks, and oftentimes that number is a lot higher than you would do on your own because they're aggregating multiple employers, sometimes thousands of employers, into this pool.”-David Contorno“I think the opposite is true. I think you're taking a far bigger risk being fully insured and allowing those people that representation to manage your health plan. I think that is far riskier and you have no control over it. You can't do anything. It's sort of like people ask me about the transparency data. Isn't it great that we have price transparency? I mean sort of, but not really because we're not doing anything with it or about it. And so I just get to see how badly I'm being screwed over. I still can't do anything about it. So you're absolutely right.”- Emma Fox“And I think we need to stop, like, putting our blinders on and pretending like it's not happening when it's, it's. The most common outcome is loss and more loss and more loss. Which is funny. It's not just funny, it's ironic when you consider how much loss comes from buying something that's supposed to protect your risk. Like make it make sense, I guess.” -Emma FoxSOCIAL MEDIA LINKS David Contorno LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcontorno/ Emma Fox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmamariefox/ WEBSITE E-Powered Benefits: https://www.epoweredbenefits.com/ Emma Fox: https://emmamariefox.com/ Mixed & Edited by Next Day Podcast info@nextdaypodcast.com

    28 min

  6. 10/08/2024

    Hangovers & Health Care: Sipping on Politics

    In this episode of Healthcare Hangover, Emma and David dive into a head-to-head comparison of the healthcare policies shaping the 2024 election. They break down Kamala Harris’s plan to expand the Affordable Care Act and continue Medicare price negotiations, while Donald Trump pushes for deregulation and more private Medicare options. But are either of them really addressing the root problem—runaway healthcare costs? The hosts dig into the facts, revealing the shocking truth: the U.S. healthcare system ranks last among major economies, with annual spending soaring past $4 trillion. It’s a wake-up call that the status quo isn't sustainable. Tune in for a critical look at Trump's COVID-19 response, the future of universal healthcare, and why a hybrid system blending government-funded primary care with private insurance might be the answer. As the election looms, Emma and David challenge you to research the candidates, get informed, and make healthcare a top priority when you vote! TIMESTAMPS: [01:07] David’s politically neutral LinkedIn post. [06:16] Addressing the issue if we don’t understand the issue. [16:15] US healthcare system ranked last among 10 largest economies [18:44] Medicare in political crosshairs [25:55] Debate on universal healthcare QUOTES: “But at least before I could live in ignorance, right? Like, now I'm I'm aware that I'm being screwed when I'm in an insurance plan.”- Emma Fox“But the problem that we need to solve for, I think, as the number one problem is one of psychology, because hospitals bill at this fictitious, massively inflated starting price and the carriers are then able to negotiate a large discount off of that starting price, still resulting in the highest price not just paid for healthcare in the US, but the highest price paid in the entire world or all of humanity ever. But that methodology, that process of high starting price discount and still a higher ending price than any other way of paying for care leads people to think that the carrier is providing the value, that is that discount.”- David Contorno“You know, I think it kind of comes back to what you and I have chosen to do for a living within the bounds of our industry, which is there's a lot of our focus that ends up being on public health, because I think that, you know, I tell people this all the time when I. When I speak or when I write, is that you really have to understand the ins and outs of the public healthcare infrastructure or the public health infrastructure in order to understand how we're financing it from.” -Emma FoxSOCIAL MEDIA LINKS David Contorno LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcontorno/ Emma Fox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmamariefox/ WEBSITE E-Powered Benefits: https://www.epoweredbenefits.com/ Emma Fox: https://emmamariefox.com/ Mixed & Edited by Next Day Podcast info@nextdaypodcast.com

    33 min

  7. 10/08/2024

    Breaking Through with Ketamine Therapy

    In this eye-opening episode of Healthcare Hangover, we explore the powerful, emerging world of ketamine-assisted therapy. Inspired by the Netflix documentary How to Change Your Mind, the conversation kicks off with personal stories of overcoming anxiety and panic attacks, shedding light on the emotional breakthroughs that ketamine therapy can unlock. Our hosts dive deep into their transformative experiences, uncovering childhood traumas and family dynamics that have redefined their adult relationships. It’s a raw and revealing discussion that brings to life the potential of this cutting-edge treatment. We also cover the nuts and bolts: what to expect in future sessions, why combining ketamine with psychotherapy is crucial, the cost of treatment, and how to find reputable providers. Plus, we offer some practical next steps, like exploring Enthea for referrals and reviewing your health plan for possible coverage. If you’ve been curious about ketamine therapy or are seeking new ways to manage mental health, this episode is a must-listen! TIMESTAMPS: [05:11] Experience of abuse and toxic resilience [08:48] What to expect with ketamine therapy [13:01] Detailed account of visualizations, emotions and “whooshing” [18:44] Childhood memories and their meaning as an adult [21:29] Expectations for future treatments [23:42] Accessing proper ketamine assisted therapy [26:03] Expected cost and duration QUOTES: “And actually, it's. It's been interesting being a child of abuse because in some ways it's given me this. This resilience that I don't think I would have had in any other sort of upbringing. But I talked about this a couple years ago at the women's leadership summit, that sometimes having this type of resilience can be really toxic.” -Emma Fox“I think everybody has trauma and I know I do, although I didn't really recognize it until I was 46, 47 years old. It was pretty recently, but I'm now seeing how deep it actually has affected me in a negative way for my whole adult life, young adult and current.” -David Contorno“So seeing that with some level of objectivity or some removal from the situation, even though it was my situation, has been very helpful in sort of processing it, which, I guess is the point, right?” -Emma Fox SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS David Contorno LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcontorno/ Emma Fox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmamariefox/ WEBSITE E-Powered Benefits: https://www.epoweredbenefits.com/ Emma Fox: https://emmamariefox.com/  Mixed & Edited by Next Day Podcast info@nextdaypodcast.com

    28 min

  8. 10/01/2024

    The Healthcare Illusion: Why you are paying more for less

    In this episode, David & Emma tackle the shocking truths about the U.S. healthcare system and how insurance, rather than providing financial relief, can often leave you paying far more than if you went without it. Our hosts dissect the myth of negotiated insurance discounts, explore real-world examples of inflated costs, and question why Americans continue to pay exorbitant premiums, deductibles, and co-pays while receiving subpar care. Featuring thought-provoking discussions on the hidden motives behind health insurance, ways to access affordable care, and how to break free from what we call "Stockholm syndrome" with traditional insurance. Tune in for insights, data-driven revelations, and actionable solutions to help you reclaim control of your healthcare decisions. TIMESTAMPS: [00:20] Health Insurance Misconceptions [02:27]Health insurance perceived differently compared to other types of insurance [04:14] - Insights from a hospital CEO about billing challenges and frustrations with payers. [07:09] - Exploration of the complexities of premiums, deductibles, and copays. [10:39] - Examination of U.S. health outcomes compared to other countries. [22:00] - Direct primary care as a potential solution in healthcare. QUOTES: "If you want different results, employers, employees, patients, do the opposite. Instead of following the traditional paths that have led to frustration and inefficiency in the healthcare system, consider taking a bold step back and re-evaluating how you approach healthcare and health insurance. Challenge the norms that have been ingrained in us and explore alternative methods that could lead to better outcomes for everyone involved." -David Contorno“And so another way to think about that is when you go and get care and you throw down your BUca based id cardinal that has a buccal logo on it, you are preordaining contractually, not subjectively, not hypothetically, but contractually preordaining you and your health plan to paying the highest price, not just in healthcare, not just in the US, but frankly, known to humans ever in the history of humankind.” -David Contorno"It is not impossible to build a health plan that allows an employer to pay 100% of the air quotes premium for that plan and make it so that there is no deductible and no out of pocket, and they would still save more money than signing that contract with a Buca." - Emma FoxSOCIAL MEDIA LINKS: David Contorno LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcontorno/ Emma Fox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmamariefox/ WEBSITE: E-Powered Benefits: https://www.epoweredbenefits.com/ Emma Fox: https://emmamariefox.com/

    23 min
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A Podcast about the perverse incentives in the US Healthcare system by 2 long time healthcare and health insurance experts that leave us feeling hungover.

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  • Creator
    David Contorno, Emma Fox
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2024
  • Episodes
    34
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © 2023 The Healthcare Hangover
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