Bricks, Bytes, and Bold Moves: The Future of Real Estate with Fifth Dimension

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Welcome to 'Bricks, Bytes & Bold Moves: The Future of Real Estate,' where next-gen tech is redefining property as we know it. Join our hosts Johnny Morris and Dr. Kate Jarvis, Co-Founders of Fifth Dimension, as they explore how AI is creating the future of real estate today. Each episode brings you insider conversations with industry leaders, real-world applications, and actionable insights. Whether you're a tech-savvy real estate professional or an industry leader looking to stay ahead of the curve, this bi-weekly series delivers the knowledge and strategies you need to thrive in the evolving real estate landscape.  Tune in every other week for 30-45 minutes of expert discussions, practical applications, and future-focused insights that will equip you to succeed in this new era as a real estate professional.

  1. Dr Kate Jarvis & Johnny Morris 2025 Wrap-Up: AI Agents, Enterprise ROI, and What's Next for Real Estate AI in 2026

    JAN 7

    Dr Kate Jarvis & Johnny Morris 2025 Wrap-Up: AI Agents, Enterprise ROI, and What's Next for Real Estate AI in 2026

    Dr. Kate Jarvis and Johnny Morris, co-founders of Fifth Dimension, wrap up 2025 and share predictions for 2026, cutting through AI agent hype to reveal what actually drives results in real estate. They explain why their 2025 prediction came true - that "hire an AI employee" marketing would flop. Domain-specific complexity means you can't just buy a generalist agent called "Dean" to run your development business. Success requires decomposing workflows, not magical one-click solutions. The conversation explores the critical role of "tinkerers" - growth-minded users who experiment with AI and become unofficial AI engineers. Johnny shares how Fifth Dimension now empowers these users to build bespoke workflows that spread throughout organizations, driving value faster than top-down rollouts. Kate and Johnny tackle the MIT study showing 95% of enterprises saw no AI ROI, framing the successful 5% as early adopters who'll widen the gap in 2026. They demystify "enterprise AI search," explaining why plugging SharePoint into an LLM fails, and what data infrastructure actually enables predictive insights that drive alpha. Their final advice: if you want to win big, you have to play big. The era of AI experimentation is over. 2026 will separate organizations that commit resources from those still watching from the sidelines. Essential listening for real estate professionals and business leaders navigating AI transformation beyond the hype.

    39 min
  2. Samantha Kempe | How IMMO is Unlocking Europe's €40 Trillion Residential Market for Institutional Investors

    10/15/2025

    Samantha Kempe | How IMMO is Unlocking Europe's €40 Trillion Residential Market for Institutional Investors

    In this podcast episode, Dr. Kate Jarvis sits down with Samantha Kempe, Chief Investment Officer and co-founder of IMMO, a Series B PropTech transforming residential real estate investment in Europe. They explore how technology is unlocking the largest asset class in the world - Europe's €40 trillion residential market - which institutions have historically ignored 96% of due to fragmentation and inefficiency. Samantha shares her journey from accidentally falling into real estate at Cushman & Wakefield, through the intensity of Blackstone's investment teams, to founding IMMO inspired by the Invitation Homes model. She discusses the challenge of raising capital through multiple economic crises, the pragmatic decisions around building versus buying technology, and why transparency - not black box AI - is essential for institutional trust. The conversation covers critical topics like data infrastructure in real estate, the bottom-up revolution driving PropTech adoption, and why the industry needs to stop joking about being behind the curve. Samantha emphasizes that successful AI implementation requires breaking complex processes into micro-steps with clear auditability, while warning that firms refusing to embrace technology will face an existential threat sooner than they think.

    1h 5m
  3. Stop Waiting, Start Experimenting: James Garner, Head of AI & Data at Gleeds

    08/08/2025

    Stop Waiting, Start Experimenting: James Garner, Head of AI & Data at Gleeds

    In this podcast episode, Johnny Morris sits down with James, Global Head of AI and Data at Gleeds and host of Project Flux. They explore the transformative impact of AI on construction and real estate, discussing how professionals must embrace education and experimentation rather than viewing AI as just a "tech problem." James shares stories about people having their 'light bulb moment' with AI - that instant when everything clicks and they suddenly see how the technology can transform their overwhelming workload. He debates the evolving role of tools like Microsoft Copilot and explains how agentic workflows are reshaping project management. The conversation covers practical AI adoption strategies, the importance of prompting skills, and why waiting for perfect data before implementing AI is a mistake. James emphasizes that AI success comes from combining top-down strategic support with bottom-up innovation, while warning against the dangers of "shadow AI" when organisations fail to provide credible alternatives to consumer tools.

    46 min
  4. The Future of Commercial Real Estate Data with CompStak CEO & Co-Founder Michael Mandel

    07/15/2025

    The Future of Commercial Real Estate Data with CompStak CEO & Co-Founder Michael Mandel

    In this episode, Dr. Kate Jarvis sits down with Michael Mandel, CEO and Co-founder of CompStak, who shares his journey from commercial real estate broker to PropTech innovator. Michael recounts how he identified inefficiencies in the way brokers exchanged lease comparables and built a solution that has fundamentally changed how the industry accesses and utilizes data. Michael discusses the challenges of launching a real estate technology company before "PropTech" was even a term, finding the right technical co-founder, and securing funding in an industry traditionally resistant to change. He offers valuable insights on prioritizing data quality over quantity, the impact of AI on real estate roles, and why domain expertise is critical for success in the commercial real estate technology space. Michael's perspective on the future of the industry and how technology is reshaping traditional roles provides valuable lessons for entrepreneurs, real estate professionals, and anyone interested in the intersection of data and commercial real estate.

    1h 1m
  5. Max Beard on AI Innovation and Adoption at Knight Frank

    06/24/2025

    Max Beard on AI Innovation and Adoption at Knight Frank

    In this episode, host Dr. Kate Jarvis speaks with Max Beard from Knight Frank's Innovations team about the transformative impact of AI on the property sector. Max shares insights from his role driving technological adoption at one of the world's leading real estate consultancies. From practical AI implementation challenges to long-term industry disruption, they explore how Knight Frank balances cutting-edge technology with the human expertise that remains essential in real estate. Discover how AI is reshaping property valuation, customer experience, and market analysis while hearing Max's perspective on what separates successful technological innovation from passing trends.

    42 min
  6. AI Education for Real Estate Professionals: Insights from Dr. Nikodem Szumilo and Dr. Monika Szumilo

    05/29/2025

    AI Education for Real Estate Professionals: Insights from Dr. Nikodem Szumilo and Dr. Monika Szumilo

    In this episode, Johnny Morris sits down with Drs. Nikodem and Monika Szumilo to explore the transformative impact of AI on real estate education and practice. As Director of the Bartlett Real Estate Institute at UCL, Nikodem brings an economic perspective to AI adoption in property markets, while Monika, a physics lecturer and AI engineer, offers technical insight into how these systems actually work. The conversation delves into thought-provoking questions about AI creativity, the evolution from basic text prediction to sophisticated analysis tools, and practical approaches to AI implementation across real estate organisations. The Szumilos share their experience teaching AI to property professionals, revealing how different stakeholders, from research teams to senior executives - are embracing these technologies. Whether you're curious about the "vibe working" trend, bottom-up adoption strategies, or how to effectively validate AI outputs in property contexts, this episode provides valuable frameworks for understanding how AI is reshaping real estate practice.

    52 min
  7. Lucy Gordon on Building Better Financial Models, Teaching Excel Expertise & Mental Health

    05/22/2025

    Lucy Gordon on Building Better Financial Models, Teaching Excel Expertise & Mental Health

    In this episode, Dr. Kate Jarvis speaks with Lucy Gordon, CEO and Founder of Excel in Property, about the critical role of financial modeling in real estate investment decisions. Lucy shares her journey from aspiring architect to Excel expert, discussing how she discovered her passion for building complex financial models for non-traditional assets like hotels and residential trading platforms. The conversation explores the importance of accurate cash flow forecasting, using models as negotiation tools, and the common errors that plague the industry. Lucy opens up about her mental health struggles that led her to leave traditional employment and start her own consultancy, emphasizing the need for more transparency around mental health in real estate. They also discuss the evolution of modeling standards across the industry, the potential impact of AI on financial analysis, and Lucy's mission to educate the next generation of analysts through her training platform. This episode offers valuable insights for anyone involved in real estate investment, financial modeling, or running a specialised consultancy business.

    54 min
  8. Dr. Kate Jarvis & Johnny Morris on Image Gen & ghiblifying everything, Deep Research, Vibe Coding, Models ≠ Solutions and more

    04/18/2025

    Dr. Kate Jarvis & Johnny Morris on Image Gen & ghiblifying everything, Deep Research, Vibe Coding, Models ≠ Solutions and more

    In this episode, Dr. Kate Jarvis and Johnny Morris of Fifth Dimension explore AI's evolving impact on real estate. They discuss why certain AI features capture public imagination while others remain underutilised, contrasting viral Studio Ghibli-style images with powerful but less celebrated deep research capabilities that can synthesise information from hundreds of sources. Kate and Johnny examine the significant gap between experimental AI development platforms like Lovable, which enable people to build applications with minimal coding experience, and the robust, scalable systems required for enterprise deployment. While these tools don't deliver complete solutions on their own, they represent valuable components in a larger technical ecosystem. Johnny emphasises that AI tools like Lovable, Cursor, v0 have become indispensable for their engineering team, and that software engineers without these tools are now at a competitive disadvantage. A key insight from their conversation is that LLMs alone can never be solutions - they must be part of broader systems. They argue that while models provide "cheap intelligence," businesses need sophisticated systems that overcome LLM limitations, particularly for mission-critical applications requiring consistency and reliability. Kate and Johnny also predict AI reasoning capabilities will transform how professionals validate work, allowing experts to focus on areas requiring their unique judgment while AI handles routine analyses. They share how real estate professionals can leverage these technologies for complex workflows and data analysis. A valuable listen for anyone interested in how AI is reshaping real estate and business operations.

    38 min
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Welcome to 'Bricks, Bytes & Bold Moves: The Future of Real Estate,' where next-gen tech is redefining property as we know it. Join our hosts Johnny Morris and Dr. Kate Jarvis, Co-Founders of Fifth Dimension, as they explore how AI is creating the future of real estate today. Each episode brings you insider conversations with industry leaders, real-world applications, and actionable insights. Whether you're a tech-savvy real estate professional or an industry leader looking to stay ahead of the curve, this bi-weekly series delivers the knowledge and strategies you need to thrive in the evolving real estate landscape.  Tune in every other week for 30-45 minutes of expert discussions, practical applications, and future-focused insights that will equip you to succeed in this new era as a real estate professional.

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