Building Momentum

AltCMO

Building Momentum is the podcast for construction leaders, marketers, and industry professionals who want to stay ahead of the curve. Hosted by fractional CMOs Ryan Kovach and Perryn Olson, we explore how AI, digital strategies, and modern marketing tools are transforming the way construction and trade companies win clients and attract top talent.

  1. 5D AGO

    Episode 36 - 1 Thing Series, Part 2

    In this episode, Ryan Kovach and Perryn Olson continue their “1 Thing” series, breaking down the most common issues they see across construction companies. In this conversation, they focus on a critical but often overlooked problem: the lack of a structured approach to hiring, retention, and long-term company value. Most companies believe their hiring challenges come from a shortage of candidates. But Ryan highlights the real issue—there is no clear recruiting strategy. Many construction firms operate in a reactive, transactional way, posting jobs only when there’s an immediate need and ignoring the long-term opportunity to build a talent pipeline. They explain how this approach leads to wasted resources and missed opportunities. Candidates who apply are often ignored after the position is filled, instead of being nurtured for future roles. Perryn adds another major issue: poor internal communication and employee retention. Many companies struggle with a revolving door of employees because they fail to communicate effectively across teams, especially in construction, where workers are spread across job sites. Without clear communication of goals, culture, and direction, employees become disengaged and eventually leave, creating even more hiring pressure. The conversation also explores how retention and stability directly impact business growth and valuation. Companies with long-tenured employees signal reliability and strength to both clients and potential hires, while high turnover creates risk and inconsistency. They further discuss how factors like brand visibility, digital presence, and even company naming can influence valuation. Another key insight is the risk of over-reliance on a single individual, often referred to as the “Atlas Syndrome.” When too much responsibility rests on one person, whether the owner or a key employee, the business becomes fragile and difficult to scale or sell. The episode emphasizes that sustainable growth doesn’t come from quick fixes. It comes from building systems across hiring, communication, branding, and operations that support long-term success. The conversation covers: Why most construction companies lack a true recruiting strategy How transactional hiring leads to wasted opportunities The importance of candidate experience and ongoing engagement How nurturing applicants can improve future hiring success leads to employee turnover How brand visibility and digital presence impact valuation The risks of relying on a single key individual (Atlas Syndrome) Common mistakes in company naming and branding How strong systems drive long-term growth and scalability If you are a construction leader, business owner, or marketer looking to improve hiring, retention, and overall business value, this episode highlights the systems and mindset required to build a stronger, more resilient company. Key Takeaways: Hiring should be proactive, not reactive Candidate experience directly impacts employer brand Retention is just as important as recruitment Clear communication reduces employee turnover Strong teams increase company stability and value Brand visibility plays a major role in business valuation Avoid over-dependence on key individuals Systems and structure are essential for long-term growth Follow AltCMO for more construction marketing insightsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/altcmo/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/altcmo/Blog: https://altcmo.net/blog/ Connect with Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/c-r-kovach/Connect with Perryn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perryn/ Tagsconstruction hiring strategy, talent acquisition in construction, employee retention construction, construction business growth, employer branding construction, AEC marketing strategy, contractor leadership, construction recruitment, business valuation construction, construction management systems

    23 min
  2. Episode 35 - 1 Thing Series, Part 1

    APR 6

    Episode 35 - 1 Thing Series, Part 1

    In this episode, Ryan Kovach and Perryn Olson introduce a new format called “1 Thing,” where they break down the most common issues they see across nearly every client engagement. And in this first part, they tackle a foundational problem that holds most companies back: positioning and messaging. Almost every company they work with has marketing activity in place (websites, content, campaigns), but something feels off. They’re not winning the right work, not attracting the right clients, or simply not standing out. The root cause is usually the same: they don’t clearly know who they are, what they stand for, or who they’re actually trying to reach. Ryan and Perryn explain how weak positioning leads to commoditization. When companies sound like everyone else, they compete on price instead of value. Without a clear brand identity, personality, and message, even good marketing efforts fail to deliver results. They also discuss the importance of defining an ideal client profile. Many construction companies try to market to everyone, resulting in poor-quality leads and wasted effort. Instead, the most successful companies narrow their focus, clearly define who they serve best, and build messaging around that audience. Through real examples, they show how unclear targeting can create misalignment, such as commercial contractors receiving residential inquiries because their messaging doesn’t filter out the wrong audience. Another key insight is the idea of iteration in marketing. Many companies expect instant results and abandon strategies too quickly when they don’t deliver perfect outcomes right away. Instead of improving and refining, they shut things down prematurely, missing long-term opportunities. The episode also highlights how top-performing companies think differently. They build structured ways to evaluate and prioritize clients, often using scoring systems to identify the best-fit opportunities. This allows them to focus their efforts on the most valuable relationships instead of chasing every lead. This is Part 1 of the conversation. In Episode 36, they continue the “One Thing” series, diving deeper into additional challenges around sales, growth, and marketing systems. The conversation covers: Why positioning and messaging are the biggest gaps for most companies How weak branding leads to commoditization The importance of defining a clear ideal client profile Why trying to serve everyone leads to poor-quality leads Real examples of misaligned marketing attracting the wrong audience The role of iteration and continuous improvement in marketing Why companies abandon strategies too early How top companies evaluate and prioritize ideal clients Using structured scoring systems to refine target markets If you are a construction leader, business owner, or marketer looking to improve your results, this episode breaks down the foundational strategy required before anything else can work. Key Takeaways: Clear messaging is essential to stand out in competitive markets Defining your ideal client improves lead quality Trying to market to everyone weakens your results Strong positioning reduces price-based competition Structured targeting improves efficiency and growth Clarity is the foundation of all successful marketing Follow AltCMO for more construction marketing insights LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/altcmo/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/altcmo/ Blog: https://altcmo.net/blog/ Connect with Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/c-r-kovach/ Connect with Perryn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perryn/

    23 min
  3. Episode 34: Stop Blaming a Down Market & Grow

    MAR 30

    Episode 34: Stop Blaming a Down Market & Grow

    When business slows down, most companies point to the same reason: the market is down. But what if the real issue isn’t the economy at all? In this episode, Ryan Kovach and Perryn Olson challenge one of the most common mindsets in construction and B2B industries. Instead of blaming external conditions, they break down why downturns often expose deeper problems in positioning, marketing, and business strategy. Backed by over 100 years of research and real-world case studies, they explain a powerful truth: companies that maintain or increase their marketing during downturns consistently outperform those that cut back. While competitors pull in and operate from fear, the companies that stay visible and aggressive gain market share, attract better talent, and position themselves for massive growth when the market rebounds. Ryan shares a firsthand example from the 2008 recession, where one client chose to double down on marketing while others cut budgets. The result was explosive growth, expanding from just a few locations to nearly twenty, while competitors struggled to survive. Perryn adds another layer to the conversation by highlighting how many businesses fail to build a true marketing engine in the first place. When times are good, work flows easily, and companies rely on referrals and momentum. But when demand slows, the lack of a diversified marketing system becomes painfully obvious. The episode also explores how downturns create unique opportunities. Advertising costs drop, competition decreases, and high-quality talent becomes more available. Companies that stay proactive can capitalize on these conditions while others retreat. Another key theme is the importance of diversification in marketing. Relying on a single channel or strategy leaves businesses vulnerable. A strong marketing engine comprises of multiple channels working together, enabling companies to remain resilient even if one channel slows. They also challenge the industry’s obsession with low pricing. Instead of competing on cost, companies should focus on communicating value. Clients are often willing to pay more for speed, reliability, and better outcomes, especially when those benefits are clearly positioned. Throughout the episode, Ryan and Perryn emphasize that marketing is not a cost center. The conversation covers: Why blaming the economy can hide deeper business issues Data-backed insights on marketing during downturns Real-world examples of companies that grew during recessions How cutting marketing impacts long-term growth and visibility Building a diversified marketing engine across multiple channels Opportunities created by downturns, including cheaper ads and talent access Why companies should invest more when competitors pull back The risks of relying on one marketing channel or referral flow Shifting from price-based competition to value-based positioning How marketing impacts company valuation and long-term scalability If you are a contractor, business owner, or leader navigating uncertain conditions, this episode will help you rethink how to approach growth when others are pulling back. Key Takeaways: Downturns expose weaknesses in marketing and positioning Companies that maintain or increase marketing outperform competitors Cutting marketing can slow recovery and reduce visibility A strong marketing engine requires multiple channels working together Down markets create opportunities in advertising and hiring Value-based positioning is more effective than competing on price Consistency in marketing builds long-term brand strength Proactive companies gain market share when others retreat Follow AltCMO for more construction marketing insights LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/altcmo/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/altcmo/ Blog: https://altcmo.net/blog/ Connect with Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/c-r-kovach/ Connect with Perryn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perryn/

    40 min
  4. Episode 33: 50% of Buyers Research with AI

    MAR 23

    Episode 33: 50% of Buyers Research with AI

    AI is no longer a future trend. It is actively shaping how buyers make decisions today. In this episode, Ryan Kovach and Perryn Olson break down a major new statistic from SEMrush: 50% of buyers now use AI in their research before making a purchase. Even more impactful, nearly 70% expect AI to play a bigger role moving forward. This isn’t a slow shift like the early days of SEO or mobile traffic. It’s happening at an unprecedented speed. What took years for mobile adoption is happening in months with AI. Ryan and Perryn explain why this matters for construction companies, trade contractors, and B2B businesses that traditionally rely on referrals, relationships, and bid opportunities. Even in referral-driven industries, buyers are validating decisions online, increasingly through AI platforms, before moving forward. The conversation highlights how AI search differs from traditional Google search. Instead of broad, cluttered results filled with ads and sponsored content, AI delivers cleaner, more personalized answers based on detailed prompts. Buyers can now describe their exact needs and receive tailored recommendations, which significantly influences final decisions. They also explore how small details can determine whether your company gets recommended. Two businesses may appear identical on the surface, but if one has stronger content, clearer positioning, or more relevant proof points, AI is more likely to surface that company as the better fit. A key takeaway from this episode is that AI is not replacing SEO; it is building on top of it. Strong websites, consistent content, social proof, and brand authority all play a critical role in how AI evaluates and recommends businesses. Ryan and Perryn also discuss a less obvious but powerful impact of AI: it doesn’t just generate new opportunities, it can protect existing ones. Buyers are increasingly using AI to evaluate current vendors, compare alternatives, and validate whether they should continue working with a company. If your brand presence is weak, AI may not recommend you at all. If it’s strong, it can reinforce trust and keep clients from switching. The conversation covers: The rise of AI-driven buying behavior and what it means for businesses Key insights from SEMrush data on AI and purchasing decisions How AI search differs from traditional Google search Why SEO still matters in an AI-driven world How detailed prompts lead to more qualified leads The role of content, authority, and social proof in AI recommendations How AI can influence both new business and existing client retention Why referral-based businesses still need strong digital visibility The importance of niche positioning in AI search results Challenges internal teams face in keeping up with AI optimization One of the most important ideas from this episode is simple: if your business is not visible in AI-driven search, you are already being excluded from a growing portion of buying decisions. Key Takeaways: 50% of buyers are already using AI in their decision-making process AI adoption is accelerating faster than previous digital shifts Strong SEO and content foundations are essential for AI visibility AI delivers more personalized and higher-quality recommendations Small differentiators can determine whether your company is recommended AI can both generate new leads and protect existing client relationships Referral-based businesses are still heavily influenced by online validation Niche positioning improves your chances of being surfaced by AI Early adopters will gain a long-term competitive advantage Follow AltCMO for more construction marketing insights LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/altcmo/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/altcmo/ Blog: https://altcmo.net/blog/ Connect with Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/c-r-kovach/ Connect with Perryn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perryn/

    31 min
  5. Episode 32: Proactive, Alternative Ad Campaigns

    MAR 16

    Episode 32: Proactive, Alternative Ad Campaigns

    Most construction companies approach marketing reactively. A storm hits, a major project gets announced, or a conference begins, and only then do contractors start thinking about how to promote themselves. By that time, the opportunity had already started to pass. In this episode, Ryan Kovach and Perryn Olson discuss a different mindset: building proactive marketing campaigns that are ready before the opportunity even appears. The conversation begins with a real-world example of a roofing contractor preparing an entire marketing campaign in anticipation of a potential hailstorm. The campaign may never run, but if a storm does occur, the client is ready to deploy immediately. Digital ads, targeted outreach, and even direct mail campaigns are already planned. Instead of scrambling to react after the damage occurs, the company can activate a full marketing strategy within hours. Ryan and Perryn explain why this type of preparation is uncommon. Many companies build campaigns only after something happens, leaving them already behind competitors who have prepared in advance. The discussion then expands beyond natural disasters into other creative ways businesses can run proactive marketing campaigns. One example includes targeting major construction projects by purchasing search ads around the project name. When people search for information about that project, your company appears, creating brand visibility even if you are not directly involved in the build. They also explore marketing opportunities around conferences and industry events. Through geofencing, targeted advertising, and strategic outdoor placements near convention centers or airports, companies can capture their ideal audience's attention during key industry moments. Another major theme in this episode is the untapped potential inside a company’s own CRM. Many contractors collect thousands of contacts through door knocking, proposals, or past inquiries, but rarely use that data strategically. Ryan and Perryn explain how remarketing, follow-ups, and preemptive communication campaigns can turn existing contacts into a powerful source of new business. The conversation also highlights the importance of bold marketing. Too many companies play it safe, often resulting in messaging that blends in. Ryan and Perryn discuss how brands that confidently highlight industry pain points, contrast themselves against common failures, and communicate clear differentiation are far more memorable in crowded markets. Throughout the episode, they challenge business owners to stop thinking of marketing as a reactive response to events and start building campaigns that anticipate opportunities before they happen. The conversation covers Proactive marketing campaigns for storms, disasters, and seasonal events How to prepare advertising campaigns before opportunities arise Using project-specific keywords to capture search traffic Marketing strategies around industry conferences and events The power of geofencing and targeted location-based ads Why most contractors underutilize their CRM data Turning past prospects and leads into future opportunities Remarketing strategies that keep your brand top of mind The importance of bold messaging in competitive industries How proactive marketing creates long-term brand visibility One of the core ideas from this episode is simple but powerful: the companies that win are rarely the ones reacting the fastest. They are the ones who prepared long before the opportunity arrived. If you are a construction leader, contractor, or business owner looking to improve your marketing strategy, this episode explores how proactive thinking and alternative campaign ideas can create a major competitive advantage.

    38 min
  6. Episode 31 - Transitioning from Founder-Led Sales to a Team Sales & Marketing Approach

    MAR 9

    Episode 31 - Transitioning from Founder-Led Sales to a Team Sales & Marketing Approach

    Many construction companies start the same way: one rainmaker founder whose relationships, reputation, and hustle bring in all the work. But what happens when that founder steps away? In this episode, Ryan Kovach and Perryn Olson unpack one of the biggest challenges in construction businesses today: transitioning from founder-led sales to a scalable team-driven system built on sales processes, marketing infrastructure, and brand authority. Many companies unknowingly build a ceiling into their growth because everything flows through the owner. When the founder retires, the company often becomes difficult to scale, sell, or even sustain. Ryan and Perryn discuss how leaders can begin transforming their company from a personality-driven business into a systems-driven organization. The conversation explores how companies that invest in systems, branding, and digital visibility become far more attractive to buyers, employees, and future leadership. Strong domain authority, SEO visibility, and brand recognition don’t just generate leads; they directly increase company valuation and improve talent acquisition. They also highlight a growing shift in workforce expectations. Today’s skilled professionals research companies before joining them. A strong brand, culture, and digital presence signal stability, opportunity, and long-term growth, while founder-dependent companies often struggle to attract top talent, forcing them to pay more to hire talent. The episode also delves into the mindset shift leaders must make to scale beyond themselves. Instead of being the single rainmaker, founders must learn to build teams, delegate responsibility, and create systems that multiply their impact. The conversation covers: Founder-led sales and the risks of relationship-dependent companies Why many construction companies hit a growth ceiling How CRM systems help institutionalize client relationships Transitioning from individual rainmakers to team sales structures Why marketing is often the missing system in construction companies How brand visibility impacts company valuation in acquisitions The role of SEO, domain authority, and digital presence in M&A Why strong brands attract better talent and improve retention How companies can begin building sales and marketing infrastructure The difference between lifestyle businesses and scalable companies They also challenge leaders to ask a simple but powerful question: If you stepped away for four weeks, would your company keep running, or would everything stop? The answer often reveals whether a business is truly scalable or still dependent on one person. If you’re a construction founder, executive, or leader thinking about growth, succession planning, or long-term company value, this episode breaks down the systems and mindset shifts needed to transition from a founder-driven company to a scalable organization. Key Takeaways: Founder-led companies often hit a natural growth ceiling Documenting relationships in CRM systems is critical for scale Sales and marketing systems increase company valuation Digital visibility strengthens both sales pipelines and hiring Brand authority compounds over time Strong brands attract better employees and partners Systems allow founders to step back without risking operations Follow AltCMO for more construction marketing insights: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/altcmo/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/altcmo/ Blog: https://altcmo.net/blog/ Connect with Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/c-r-kovach/ Connect with Perryn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perryn/

    42 min
  7. Episode 30 - What's a Good Construction Marketing Budget?

    MAR 2

    Episode 30 - What's a Good Construction Marketing Budget?

    “What should our marketing budget be?” It’s one of the most common questions construction leaders ask, and one of the hardest to answer. In this episode, Ryan Kovach and Perryn Olson break down real benchmarks from the AEC industry and explain why percentages alone don’t tell the full story. From 5–6% of net service revenue for typical AEC firms to 7–10% for high-growth companies, the numbers vary widely depending on margins, goals, and market position. But the real question isn’t just “What should we spend?” It’s “What happens if your competitor is spending double?” They unpack the difference between maintaining position and fueling growth, and why a 2% marketing investment can dramatically outperform 1% when executed strategically. Visibility compounds. Authority compounds. Talent pipelines compound. The conversation covers: Industry benchmarks from Zweig, Gartner, and SMPS The difference between maintenance budgets and growth budgets Why GCs and trade contractors have very different margin realities How to separate marketing from business development spending Why events, sponsorships, and swag are not pure marketing How stronger marketing improves talent acquisition Why recruiters, temp agencies, and job boards inflate hidden costs How to renegotiate staffing costs using marketing authority The impact of focus, ideal client profiles, and message clarity How to reverse engineer your marketing budget from revenue targets They also challenge leaders to rethink budgeting entirely. Instead of starting with a percentage, start with revenue goals. Define how many qualified leads you need each month, then determine how marketing and sales share ownership of that number. From cutting underperforming spend to reallocating dollars into digital visibility, this episode reframes marketing not as an expense, but as a revenue and talent engine. If you are a contractor, executive, or marketer trying to balance growth, margins, and hiring, this episode will help you think more strategically about where your marketing dollars actually go. Key Takeaways: 5–6% may maintain position, but growth often requires more Marketing and business development budgets must be separated Visibility compounds over time and fuels both sales and hiring Talent acquisition is marketing, not just HR Focused positioning outperforms generic messaging Revenue targets should determine marketing investment Strategic reallocation often beats simply increasing budget Connect with AltCMO and Learn More Follow AltCMO for more construction-focused marketing insights: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/altcmo/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/altcmo/ Blog: https://altcmo.net/blog/ Connect with Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/c-r-kovach/ Connect with Perryn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perryn/

    29 min
  8. Episode 29 - Importance of Negative keywords & Click Fraud Software

    FEB 25

    Episode 29 - Importance of Negative keywords & Click Fraud Software

    You might be wasting 30–50% of your Google Ads budget and not even know it. In this episode, Ryan Kovach and Perryn Olson break down two of the most overlooked and most expensive gaps in paid search: negative keywords and click fraud protection. Too many PPC campaigns are set up once and left alone. Budgets get maxed out every month. Click numbers look strong. But when you dig deeper, a large percentage of that spend may be going to bots, competitors, out-of-market clicks, or searches that were never qualified to begin with. They unpack a real-world example of a contractor spending $100,000 per month on Google Ads. After installing click fraud software and properly building out negative keywords, ad spend dropped to $60,000 without losing lead volume. That’s a $40,000 monthly savings with the same business output. The conversation covers: What click fraud actually is (bots, competitors, VPN abuse, foreign traffic) Why Google doesn’t fully eliminate fraudulent clicks How click fraud software protects your ad budget What negative keywords are and why they must be constantly updated How broad keywords quietly drain commercial contractors’ budgets Why residential searches can crush commercial-only campaigns How geography settings can waste thousands overnight The broken PPC model of percentage-based ad management How AI is improving keyword refinement and filtering Why most construction marketers don’t even know this problem exists They also explain the dangerous math behind PPC. If only 4,000 real people are searching, but you’re paying for 10,000 clicks, where did the extra 6,000 clicks come from? From commercial roofers accidentally paying for residential leads to HVAC contractors getting clicks for car AC repairs, this episode exposes how easily ad budgets get burned. If you’re running paid search campaigns, especially in construction, mechanical, electrical, roofing, or specialty trades, this episode could immediately save you money. Key Takeaways: Click fraud can silently eat 30–50% of your ad budget Negative keywords must be actively managed, not set once Geographic targeting mistakes are common and expensive Commercial contractors must aggressively filter residential searches Flat-fee PPC management reduces incentive misalignment AI can accelerate keyword refinement, but still needs human oversight Lower ad spend with the same leads is the real win Connect with AltCMO and Learn More Follow AltCMO for more construction-focused marketing insights: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/altcmo/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/altcmo/ Blog: https://altcmo.net/blog/ Connect with Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/c-r-kovach/ Connect with Perryn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perryn/

    28 min

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Building Momentum is the podcast for construction leaders, marketers, and industry professionals who want to stay ahead of the curve. Hosted by fractional CMOs Ryan Kovach and Perryn Olson, we explore how AI, digital strategies, and modern marketing tools are transforming the way construction and trade companies win clients and attract top talent.