Built to Finish

Steven Pivnik

Welcome to Built to Finish! Join host, Steven Pivnik, each week as he explores the journeys of audacious goal setters. This includes experienced Founders, CEOs and entrepreneurs sharing pivotal moments that propelled their success. We’ll also be talking with endurance athletes who push the limits of physical and mental ability. This show is brought to you by Acresis — offering tailored, high-impact advisory services to help founders get to their finish line with a strategic acquisition or majority investor recapitalization. To learn more, go to: https://acresis.com/

  1. Closing the Courage Gap: From Fearful Mind to Brave Heart | Margie Warrell

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    Closing the Courage Gap: From Fearful Mind to Brave Heart | Margie Warrell

    What if the only thing standing between your current reality and your ultimate potential is a gap you created yourself?  In this episode of the Built to Finish podcast, host Steven Pivnik sits down with globally recognized leadership coach and author Margie Warrell to explore the intersection of courage, leadership, and personal growth. Warrell shares her journey from growing up on a small dairy farm in rural Australia to advising leaders at Fortune 500 boardrooms and NASA. She defines the "courage gap" as the space created by a fearful mind between what we are capable of doing and what we actually do, emphasizing that courage is not the absence of fear, but the decision to move forward despite it.  The conversation dives deep into the psychology of "insecure overachievers"—high-performing individuals driven by a deep-seated need to compensate for a fear of being inadequate. Warrell provides actionable advice on re-scripting self-limiting stories and "embracing the suck" of discomfort to achieve significant goals, such as her personal experience training for the New York City Marathon. They conclude with a look at modern challenges, where Warrell encourages leaders to combat the "fog of uncertainty" by taking small, deliberate actions rather than waiting for perfect clarity.   Takeaways: Identify Your "Insecure Overachiever" Patterns: Recognize if your drive for achievement is fueled by a fear of not being enough. Use self-awareness to transition from being run by these patterns to leading with purpose and contribution.Re-Script Your Personal Narrative: Identify labels or stories you have internalized (e.g., "I'm not a runner" or "I'm just a worker bee") and challenge their truth. Replace them with stories that empower your agency and align with your values.Apply the Three P Litmus Test: Evaluate your internal narrative by asking if it makes you feel more Powerful (agency), more Purposeful (aligned with values), and more Positive (optimistic about the future).Start with the "Next Small Decision": Don't wait for massive, bold resolutions to break stagnation. Take small, repetitive actions—like sending one email or reaching out for coffee—to build momentum and "cast a vote" for the identity of the person you want to become.Embrace Productive Discomfort: Distinguish between unnecessary risk and the "worthy discomfort" required for growth. When things get difficult, revisit your "Big Why" to sustain motivation through the hardest parts of the journey.Practice the 70% Rule in Uncertainty: Instead of waiting for the "fog to clear," make decisions with the information you have (roughly 70%) and move forward. Constant movement provides the feedback necessary to adjust your strategy. Quote of the Show: "The fearful mind creates the gap between what we can do and what we do. And it takes really a brave/courageous heart to close it." Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/margiewarrell/ Website: https://margiewarrell.com/YouTube: youtube.com/watch?v=xIoF0_be5WQ The Courage Gap - Book Link: https://a.co/d/hPLZtMi

    46 min
  2. Recapping a Year of Audacious Goals: Lessons Learned from Everest and TEDx with Steven Pivnik

    12/23/2025

    Recapping a Year of Audacious Goals: Lessons Learned from Everest and TEDx with Steven Pivnik

    In this special holiday episode of the Built to Finish podcast, host Steven Pivnik reflects on the past year, expressing immense gratitude to the audience for their support during his first full year of podcasting, which included over 52 released episodes. He shares the personal success he has achieved through a newly implemented morning gratitude routine, noting that listing things you are grateful for helps minimize the impact of bad news when it inevitably occurs. He also previews the episode, mentioning it will include free giveaways, an offer, and a request for listeners. The core of the recap focuses on the three "Big Hairy Audacious Goals" (BHAGs) he set for 2025: delivering a full keynote at a legitimate conference, climbing Mount Everest, and delivering a TEDx talk. He achieved the keynote goal at an international franchisee conference for GJ Gardner Homes in Houston, which he found incredibly rewarding. While he didn't summit Mount Everest after getting sick near the end of the trip, he has "no regrets whatsoever" and considers the journey itself and the lessons learned to be incredibly valuable. Finally, after submitting 69 applications, he accomplished his third BHAG by being accepted to and delivering a TEDx talk, with the video set to be released soon. Looking ahead, his BHAG for 2026 is to begin work on a new book.   Takeaways: Implement a Morning Gratitude Routine: Start your day by listing everything you're grateful for to create a "huge bucket of great things" that helps you brush off bad news and prevent a spiral.Set Big Hairy Audacious Goals (BHAGs): Take the time to set a few challenging personal and professional goals for the year, like the host's goals to deliver a keynote, climb Everest, and give a TEDx talk.Value the Journey: For ambitious goals like climbing Everest, remember to value the training and preparation journey—such as trips to Ecuador, Colorado, and Utah—as much as the final destination.Persevere Through Rejection: The host received 69 rejection emails for his TEDx talk before being accepted; if you are pursuing a goal like public speaking, be ready for the long process and continue to submit applications.Write Down Your Goals: The simple act of writing down your BHAG for 2026, even just in a comment or DM, will increase your odds of completing it.Seek Advisory Services: If you are a founder, consider seeking advisory services for one-on-one consulting, peer group work, or guidance toward an exit, as this work has proven rewarding for the host and his clients.Claim Free Resources: Download the host's favorite chapter, "Envisioning the Finish," and the key takeaways from his entire book for free at https://stevenpivnik.com/downloads/. Quote of the Show: “When you start your day by listing out everything that you're grateful for, any bad event is gonna have a hard time competing with a huge bucket of great things that are happening in your life.”  Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenpivnik/ Personal Website: stevenpivnik.com/ Company Website: aipadvisory.com/ Book Link: https://a.co/d/dk1P4kG

    14 min
  3. The Proceeds Waterfall: Mapping Every Penny of Your Business Exit with Steven Pivnik

    12/17/2025

    The Proceeds Waterfall: Mapping Every Penny of Your Business Exit with Steven Pivnik

    In this solo episode, Steven tackles a fundamental question for every entrepreneur: "How much should I sell my company for?" He argues that the answer shouldn't start with market valuation, but with a deeply personal assessment of the lifestyle the founder wishes to maintain post-exit. Assuming a worst-case scenario where the founder is unemployed after the sale, the first step is consulting with a wealth manager to determine the principal needed for conservative or aggressive investments to generate the required ongoing cash flow, thus maintaining the founder's current lifestyle. Once this necessary takeaway number is established, Steven introduces a crucial planning tool: the "Proceeds Waterfall." This detailed breakdown tracks every expense that reduces the final proceeds, starting with the enterprise value paid by the acquirer and accounting for everything from legal and accounting fees to payouts for minority shareholders, advisors, and, critically, tax liabilities (including federal and state taxes). By working backward from the desired bottom-line number, entrepreneurs can determine the necessary enterprise value and create a strategic game plan to bridge the gap between their current valuation and the required sale price. Doing this homework minimizes surprises and stress when the transaction finally closes.   Takeaways: Define Your Target Lifestyle First: Before looking at market comps, sit down and define the exact lifestyle you want to lead post-exit. Your desired number should be based on your personal financial needs, not just market trends.Consult a Wealth Manager: Work with a financial professional to determine the exact lump sum (principal) needed to generate the ongoing, required cash flow to sustain your lifestyle after the sale.Create a Proceeds Waterfall: Develop a comprehensive spreadsheet that starts with the hypothetical Enterprise Value and meticulously tracks all outgoing payments, including legal fees, accounting costs, board member payouts, minority shareholder distributions, and stock option holder expenses.Factor in Taxes Realistically: Do not underestimate the tax burden. Include estimates for both federal (Uncle Sam) and state taxes, especially if your business has nexus in multiple states, as this will significantly reduce your net proceeds.Calculate the Required Enterprise Value (Work Backward): Use the Proceeds Waterfall to determine the minimum top-line valuation (Enterprise Value) needed to achieve your non-negotiable bottom-line number (the cash you walk away with).Build an Exit Game Plan: Once you have the required Enterprise Value, compare it to your company’s current valuation. Create a strategic plan focusing on growth and profitability metrics to bridge that gap and reach the necessary sale price.Quote of the Show: "The more homework you do on truly understanding... where every single penny is going to go and how much and when, the fewer surprises and less stress the transaction will result in." - Steven Pivnik Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenpivnik/ Personal Website: stevenpivnik.com/ Company Website: aipadvisory.com/ Book Link: https://a.co/d/dk1P4kG

    5 min
  4. From Pioneering Patents to Thinkers360: Nick Evans on the Future of Tech and Thought Leadership

    12/10/2025

    From Pioneering Patents to Thinkers360: Nick Evans on the Future of Tech and Thought Leadership

    Nick Evans, a world-renowned executive advisor, thought leader, and Founder of Thinkers360, shares insights from his time advising influential organizations like Amazon, NASA, and Intel, highlighting the fun and challenge of diving into different industries as a consultant. He recounts his work with NASA, which involved running hands-on, design thinking-style innovation workshops. The conversation pivots to the fragility of the internet, triggered by a recent massive outage, where Nick stresses the need for businesses to be highly agile and adaptive, like the military’s DEFCON system, to handle constant disruption from new technology and global events. Nick offers his expert perspective on the current state of AI, discussing the market hype versus the tremendous long-term value, drawing parallels to the internet bubble of 2000. He details how Thinkers360 uses AI for internal operations, including a chatbot and an agent trained on their influencer community, and the development of "AI personas" for thought leaders. Nick also shares a fascinating, albeit painful, story about being one of the original pioneers of the "buy now" concept on the web in the late nineties, but losing out on an estimated $50 million due to bad legal advice not to patent "just a button". He wraps up by discussing his amateur triathlon accomplishments, including two championship finishes, and his preparation for the challenging Ironman 70.3 in Cartagena.   Takeaways: Prioritize Business Agility and Adaptability: Design your business to be highly agile and adaptive to disruption, whether it's new technology (like AI) or external events (like pandemics and weather). Have a backup plan and an agile approach for when unexpected changes occur.Identify and Strengthen the "Weakest Link": Continuously monitor your business vulnerabilities. This could be reliance on a single customer, one supplier, or a single point of failure in your technology infrastructure. Have duplicate systems and backup plans to diversify risk.Treat Technology Outages as Inevitable: Accept that major outages, like the Amazon DNS mistake, will happen. Have a plan prepared—don't just assume it's a cyber attack—and be prepared for ripple effects that impact vendors.Investigate Intellectual Property (IP) Protection Diligently: If you have a differentiated or unique business idea, talk to an experienced IP attorney to explore patent and trademark protection. Do not rely on one opinion, especially for something that seems simple but involves a complex process (like the "buy now" button).Use AI to Amplify Expertise (AI Personas): Explore the use case of creating an AI agent or "digital twin" trained on your personal thought leadership content (books, blogs, videos) to create an accessible, knowledgeable persona for others to interact with.Look Beyond the AI Hype: While AI is creating tremendous long-term value, recognize that the market may currently be overhyped and overvalued, similar to the 2000 internet bubble. Focus on finding tangible ROI and practical applications.Seek Out Robust Measures of Expertise: When hiring or partnering, look for thought leaders whose credentials are based on "hard to fake" content (like books, executive experience, and media interviews), as platforms like Thinkers360 do, rather than easily gamed metrics (like social media spam). Quote of the Show: "What I say nowadays is, you know, really try and design your business to be highly agile and adaptive, like the military with the DEFCON system... They can jump from [level] two to three or whatever the numbers might be. They don't have to think about how to do it, right? It's already, they're trained, they're rehearsed." Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicholasdevans/ Website: https://www.thinkers360.com/ Book Link: https://a.co/d/hA3EpAF

    36 min
  5. Don't Wait for Perfect: Why Your Personal Brand Needs an Imperfect Start with Matt LeBris

    12/03/2025

    Don't Wait for Perfect: Why Your Personal Brand Needs an Imperfect Start with Matt LeBris

    In this inspiring and candid episode, Steven welcomes his first in-person guest, Matt LeBris, host of the globally top 1% ranked Decoding Success Podcast and a Brand Strategist with Brand Builders Group. Matt shares his incredible career journey, beginning with a cold pitch to Shark Tank's Damon John that turned a five-minute conversation into a multi-year internship and job. This experience taught him that proximity is power and the value of surrounding yourself with high achievers. The conversation dives deep into the philosophy of personal branding, which Matt defines as the art of differentiation and owning who you truly are. He breaks down how Brand Builders Group helps clients in four key tracks: lead generation, new revenue development, author track, and public speaking. Matt and Steven also tackle the common struggles of discipline, balancing their love for fitness with a love for junk food (especially pizza), and the necessary role of AI in brand strategy. Ultimately, Matt emphasizes that social media is merely a vehicle to deliver a brand, not what builds it, and that focusing on impact for one person is more fulfilling than chasing virality.   Takeaways: Don't Wait for Perfection, Just Start: If you have a big goal, don't wait until the plan is 100% perfect or you feel perfectly ready. Take the first step, learn from the process, and know that your start isn't where you'll finish.Embrace Curiosity for Longevity: Lifelong curiosity is what kept Matt's podcast running for seven-plus years. Use curiosity about others and the world as the fuel for your biggest initiatives.Proximity is Power: Intentionally put yourself in environments where you can be near people who motivate you and inspire you. Access to high-level success is often the most inspiring thing.Personal Branding is the Art of Differentiation: Your brand is owning your unique experiences and perspective. Since no two people have the same fingerprint, focus on how you solve a problem, not just what problem you solve.Social Media is a Vehicle, Not the Foundation: The actual building of your brand is the work done behind the scenes—identifying your audience, problem, message, and unique process. Social media (or a podcast) is simply the fast vehicle to deliver it.Fill Gaps with Purpose (The Boredom Cure): When you experience a "gap" of boredom, fill it with an activity that relates to the person you want to become (e.g., reading a book, going for a walk), instead of choosing something that provides immediate, comfortable gratification like an unhealthy habit.Focus on Impact, Not Virality: Instead of shooting for a viral hit, aim to post something aligned with your brand with the intention of moving or impacting just one person. That one connection is where the fulfillment—and often the business—is made. Quote of the Show: "I think the minute we're born, we're all gifted with a personal brand, whether we like it or not. And ultimately... if you're not taking ownership of your brand, you're giving the power to someone else to craft your message for you." Links: Free Strategy Call with Matt: https://freebrandcall.com/mattlebris/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/matt_lebris/?hl=en Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@MattLeBris/podcasts Personal Website: https://mattlebris.com/ Company Website: https://brandbuildersgroup.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlebrisnyc/

    51 min
  6. Paul Pacun on Capital Velocity and Cash Flow Discipline

    11/26/2025

    Paul Pacun on Capital Velocity and Cash Flow Discipline

    Paul Pacun, CEO & Founder of Meiotic and its flagship sales enablement platform Vablet, joins the show to discuss his 26-year journey in tech, starting with taking a company public during the 2000 dot-com bubble. He shares the origin story of Meiotic and its eventual pivot from marketing to individual dentists to targeting the highly compliant Life Sciences and Medical Device industry. Paul details how the platform, Vablet (short for 'video tablet'), was purpose-built to solve the "hard stuff"—guaranteeing seamless content synchronization and presentation offline, a critical requirement for sales reps in places like hospital operating rooms or remote villages. A major theme of the discussion is the trade-off between raising capital for velocity and choosing to "sell your way through." Paul shares that while the latter approach ensured financial discipline and ownership, he realized in hindsight that external capital would have allowed them to scale faster against competitors. He also delves into the secrets of Meiotic's long-term employee retention, which centers on fostering a culture of trust, flexible hours, direct programmer-to-client interaction, and actively hiring "makers" and "lifetime learners." Finally, Paul offers crucial advice for modern entrepreneurs, stressing the importance of pivoting when necessary, quickly addressing team performance issues, and ensuring robust financial expertise (the "blood to the company") on even the smallest teams.   Takeaways: Design for the Worst-Case Scenario: Paul built his sales enablement platform to work flawlessly offline because medical device reps often present in highly constrained environments (like an OR or a remote area) with zero connectivity. Design your core product to be reliable in its most challenging environment; it will work everywhere else.Regret the Lack of Velocity, Not the Lack of Capital: While Paul is proud Meiotic sold its way through, he noted that capital buys velocity. Analyze your market and competitive landscape; if speed is paramount, be willing to take a measured raise to scale faster.Validate the "Lifetime Learner" with "The Five Whys": To ensure strong long-term hires who enjoy tinkering and growth, go beyond surface-level answers in interviews. Ask follow-up, probing questions—like what hobbies they pursue or how they solve broken systems—to determine if curiosity and a desire to learn is truly "in their psyche."Embrace the Small, Diverse, High-Impact Team: In the age of AI and modern tools, Paul advises that you no longer need an "army." Focus on a small, diverse group of skilled individuals, ensuring you have strong sales/marketing, tech, and, critically, robust financial expertise.A Bad Hire Kills Morale—Act Quickly: As CEO, Paul learned the hardest job is letting someone go, but waiting too long for a non-performing employee to turn around is detrimental. One person can significantly bring down the morale and productivity of the entire team. Quote of the Show: "Money to a company is like blood to the body. If we run outta blood, we die." Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulpacun/ Website: https://www.vablet.com/

    41 min
  7. The AI Dilemma: Balancing Innovation, Ethics, and Responsible Growth | Dr. Cindy Gordon

    11/19/2025

    The AI Dilemma: Balancing Innovation, Ethics, and Responsible Growth | Dr. Cindy Gordon

    Dr. Cindy Gordon, CEO and founder of SalesChoice, joins host Steven Pivnik to discuss her "evolutionary" journey from executive roles at giants like Accenture and Xerox to launching her own tech company. She details how she first joined a venture capital firm to learn corporate finance before co-founding one of the early companies to use AI for predicting sales forecasts. Cindy provides a refreshingly pragmatic perspective on artificial intelligence, cautioning that not all problems need an AI solution and that true success hinges on a clear use case, good data, and a focus on the "human in the loop". A teacher of AI ethics and law, she also breaks down the critical importance of model transparency, accountability, and navigating the complex global regulatory landscape. For fellow founders, Cindy offers invaluable advice on understanding VC contracts, defining "clawback clauses", and the long-term strategic planning required for a successful exit.   Takeaways: Don't use AI just for the hype. Smart investors will (and should) ask if AI is the right technical strategy for your use case. AI is just one technique among many; focus on the best and most appropriate means to build your solution.Master the fundamentals for AI success. Whether you're using predictive analytics or generative AI, success always comes down to three things: being crystal clear on the problem you're solving, having high-quality data, and being attentive to the human-in-the-loop adoption process.Beware of clawback clauses. In a funding or acquisition deal, a clawback is a contractual hurdle, often tied to revenue, where you can lose equity or cash if you fail to meet an agreed-upon plan. Use good legal counsel to try and remove them, or at a minimum, be extremely confident you can deliver on the proposed targets.Plan your exit strategy five years in advance. An exit is a long-term game that requires nurturing relationships. It's a strategy that must be written down, planned, and worked at, much like a comprehensive sales coverage plan.Prioritize AI transparency and accountability. You can't sue an algorithm. As a founder, you are accountable and must build transparent, explainable models (not black boxes). This requires strong practices for versioning control, data bias checks, and machine learning ops.Build a culture of psychological safety. A great culture is one where people feel safe to be who they are and bring their whole person to work. Cindy's company reinforces this with daily "Hug Huddles", regular feedback, and a focus on authentic, open communication.Use strategic alliances to test exit pathways. Forming channel relationships with larger players who have a gap in their portfolio allows you to test synergies and distribution capabilities. This can be a wise strategy, but don't take on too many partners, as they must be actively managed to be effective. Quote of the Show: "Not everything can be solved with AI, so I think I bring a really solid, realistic, pragmatic perspective and just don't get so caught up in the drama." Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drcindygordon/Website: https://www.saleschoice.com/ Book Link: https://getbook.at/aidilemma

    33 min
  8. From 200-Mile Races to CMO: David Chase on Resilience and Goal Alignment

    11/12/2025

    From 200-Mile Races to CMO: David Chase on Resilience and Goal Alignment

    David Chase, an avid ultra-marathoner and the President at WorkBoard, joins Steven Pivnik to discuss the powerful intersection between endurance sports and business leadership. David shares how his professional rise to CMO coincided with his running journey, which has included multiple 100+ mile races and even a 200-mile event. He explains that for him, a startup isn't a sprint or a marathon—it's a 200-mile race, with extreme highs and lows that demand resilience and a relentless focus on moving forward. The daily habit of running, he finds, provides essential clarity for processing work challenges and making clearer decisions.Beyond the mindset, David dives into his work at Workboard, a platform that helps large enterprises align strategy with execution using AI. He details how Workboard's AI agents help managers and teams stay aligned, eliminating the lag and dilution of manual status reporting. He also provides tactical advice for scaling marketing teams, emphasizing the importance of in-person events and treating business goals with the same daily discipline as a marathon training plan. Finally, David shares a practical framework for effective, ongoing sales enablement, including an internal "checkout" process to let reps fail safely before engaging customers Takeaways: Treat Business Goals Like Race Training: Don't just set a quarterly goal and hope to get there. Break it down into specific, daily actions you must take to achieve it, just as you would with a daily training plan for a 5K or marathon.Embrace In-Person Connection: In an age of AI and Zoom fatigue, investing in in-person events (like small dinners, meetups, or user conferences) is a powerful differentiator. People crave real experiences and want to connect with real people and customers.Use AI to Test and Scale: AI gives marketing leaders the ability to test new channels and initiatives much faster. Use this to run more tests, get data quickly, and then decide whether to scale the initiative or discard it.View Sales Enablement as an Ongoing Process: Enablement is not a single meeting or a deck. It requires continuous investment, resources, and the active participation of senior, experienced sellers—not just junior team members.Create a "Checkout" Process for Sellers: When launching a new product or pitch, implement an internal certification. Have sales reps pitch to a panel of senior leaders who score them. This provides a safe environment to fail, get feedback, and improve before they are in front of a real customer.Reframe Resilience: A startup isn't just a marathon; it's a 200-mile race with much lower lows and higher highs. When things get tough at work, remember that it's rarely as hard as mile 177 of a 200-mile race. The key is to never quit and just keep heading in the right direction. Quote of the Show: “People correlate startups to running a marathon. It’s a marathon. It's not a sprint. It's not a marathon, it's a 200-mile race, where the lows are so much lower than a marathon and the highs are so much higher than a marathon." Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidschase/ Website: https://www.workboard.com/

    41 min
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Welcome to Built to Finish! Join host, Steven Pivnik, each week as he explores the journeys of audacious goal setters. This includes experienced Founders, CEOs and entrepreneurs sharing pivotal moments that propelled their success. We’ll also be talking with endurance athletes who push the limits of physical and mental ability. This show is brought to you by Acresis — offering tailored, high-impact advisory services to help founders get to their finish line with a strategic acquisition or majority investor recapitalization. To learn more, go to: https://acresis.com/