But For Real

Valerie Martin & Emerson Ryder

Welcome to But For Real: the podcast where all your swirling thoughts about mental health, pop culture, and how to human are blended into one delicious variety show, co-hosted by therapists Valerie Martin (resident elder millennial ✌️) and Emerson Ryder (resident Gen Z 🫶).

  1. 2D AGO

    Why We Love The Drama (Until It's Ours) 🫣

    Let’s be honest. We all love a little drama… as long as it’s not happening to us. 😜 From celebrity family feuds to wedding-day chaos to messy public statements, we can’t look away. But the second that kind of public-facing conflict hits our own nervous system? We’re either shutting down, spiraling, or plotting our escape into permanent invisibility. In this episode of But For Real, therapists Val and Emerson unpack the psychology of why we love drama and gossip— at least, of course, until it’s about us. We’re talking attachment wounds, tribalism, and the very human tendency to consume chaos as entertainment while avoiding it in our own lives. As always, we’re kicking things off with some pop culture tea (the Beckhams are fighting, y’all), but quickly zoom out to explore the deeper question: why does other people’s relational conflict feel juicy, but our own feels threatening? If you grew up in a family where repair wasn’t modeled… If conflict makes your chest tighten and your brain short-circuit… If you find yourself glued to reality TV but allergic to confrontation… This one’s for you, babe. Because of course drama hits different when your attachment system is involved. From there, we unpack: Why other people’s drama feels safe to consumeWhat happens in your nervous system when conflict becomes personalHow attachment wounds shape your reaction to relational tensionThe difference between curiosity and ruminationWhy public family conflict hits so hard culturallyWhen drama becomes avoidanceHow to stop intellectualizing and start embodying repairWhy healing relational trauma requires tolerating discomfort Plus: Snowmageddon survival stories, exploding trees and frost cracking, unexpected love for a Super 8 motel, Spice Girls loyalty debates, and the trainwreck-you-can’t-look-away-from of the Beckhams fighting in public. This episode is for anyone who: Loves a little pop culture tea but gets dysregulated the second conflict hits close to homeGrew up around tension, enmeshment, or emotional landmines and now feels hyper-aware of drama everywhereFinds themselves glued to other people’s relational mess while avoiding their ownIs realizing their nervous system reacts to conflict like it’s a five-alarm fire Because sometimes we’re not obsessed with drama. We’re just trying to understand something our body never got to feel safe inside of. We talk about: 00:00 – Snowmageddon 2026 & survival mode03:30 – Pop culture tea: The Beckhams are fighting07:00 – Why we love drama when it’s not ours11:00 – Nervous system activation &...

    53 min
  2. FEB 4

    The One About Repair ❤️‍🩹🫂

    If conflict makes your chest tighten, your brain freeze, or your instinct scream “AVOID AT ALL COSTS, ABORT, ABORT!,” this episode is for YOU, honey. In Episode 37 of But For Real, therapists Val and Em talk honestly about repair—not the Instagram version, but the real-life, messy, emotionally vulnerable process of repairing relationships after conflict. We recorded this episode fresh off a hard week, which means we’re not speaking theoretically. We’re speaking from inside it. We unpack what repair actually looks like when it wasn’t modeled, when uncertainty feels unbearable, and when your nervous system is convinced that conflict equals danger. This isn’t about fixing everything perfectly or tying things up with a bow. It’s about starting, staying present, and choosing connection even when you’re scared. From there, we unpack: Why repair doesn’t mean “everything is fixed now”Why starting matters more than finishingHow uncertainty is anxiety’s worst nightmare (and still unavoidable)What it looks like to live your values instead of just talking about themWhy doing the messy, uncomfortable thing is often the most ethical choice Plus: fragrances, phone maximalism, dairy-free Boursin supremacy, Hobby Lobby slander, and letting your inner toddler run the show occasionally. This episode is for anyone who: Never saw repair modeled growing upFeels terrified of conflict but longs for deeper connectionThinks they’re “bad at relationships” when really they were just never taughtIs learning how to do hard things scared, tender, and imperfect Repair isn’t clean. It isn’t linear. And it isn’t always possible. But when it IS possible? Even if it’s messy, it can be powerful as hell. We talk about: 00:00 – Welcome back, sleep deprivation, and why we sound unhinged01:30 – Why we chose repair as today’s topic (and why it’s personal)03:00 – Emerson on conflict avoidance, repair not being modeled, and inner-child witnessing05:00 – Anxiety, uncertainty, and why “not knowing how this ends” is brutal07:30 – Living your values vs. performing them10:00 – Tea & Crumpets: fragrance recs, phone maximalism, and inner toddler joy15:00 – Food opinions we feel unreasonably strong about18:00 – Why repair isn’t about blame, villains, or being “right”22:00 – Val’s tower moment: things falling apart to rebuild stronger26:00 – Starting repair without knowing the...

    1h 3m
  3. JAN 22

    Why Being Regulated All The Time Is Bullsh*t!

    If you’ve done “the work,” learned nervous system skills, gone to therapy… and you still get dysregulated, this episode is your permission slip to stop spiraling about it. In Episode 36 of But For Real, Val and Em break down what emotional regulation actually means—and why TikTok, pop psychology, and even therapy culture have wildly distorted it. We start the episode under-caffeinated, under-slept, and already dysregulated (relatable), then use that exact moment to talk about what being human really looks like. We answer a listener question from a self-described “dysregulated diva” who’s frustrated that anxiety spikes, shutdown, and emotional overwhelm still happen despite years of nervous system work. Spoiler: this does not mean therapy isn’t working. From there, we unpack: Why emotions are energy in motion, not instructionsHow emotional regulation has been hijacked by productivity cultureWhy the DSM doesn’t diagnose emotions—and why TikTok keeps trying toThe difference between emotional intensity and mental illnessWhy “never being activated again” is a scamHow DBT skills like urge surfing, TIPP, emotion naming, and opposite action actually work in real life We also talk cicadas, kombucha shots, weaponized stoicism, BPD discourse on TikTok, why calm ≠ healed, and how regulation was never meant to make you quieter, easier, or more palatable. This episode is nervous-system education without toxic positivity, spiritual bypassing, or “rewire yourself once and for all” nonsense. If you’ve ever thought, “Why am I still like this?” — this one’s for you. We talk about: 00:00 – Low brain power, re-recording chaos, and starting dysregulated02:00 – Real-life regulation: distraction vs. shifting state05:00 – Tea & Crumpets: unsettling movies, long-form content, and attention burnout09:30 – Step Into My Office: “If I still get dysregulated, is therapy working?”14:00 – Why “never being activated again” is a lie16:00 – What emotions actually are: energy in motion18:30 – Thoughts vs. emotions (aka: don’t believe every cicada thought)21:00 – How emotions get pathologized culturally23:00 – The DSM reality check (and why TikTok keeps misusing it)26:00 – BPD discourse, diagnostic criteria, and why labels are getting sloppy28:00 – What emotional regulation really means31:00 – Window of Tolerance myths & hot takesspan class="ql-ui"...

    54 min
  4. JAN 7

    Seasonal Feelings Disorder: Why Is January SO Weird?

    January is just… weird, y’all. Not awful necessarily, but also not really the motivation-charged era we’re culturally conditioned that it should be.  In this episode of But For Real, we’re naming the post-holiday emotional hangover that sneaks up on so many of us every January. The irritability. The numbness. The low-grade existential dread. The urge to hibernate while the internet screams “new year, new you.” We’re calling it Seasonal Feelings Disorder, not a diagnosis, not a pathology, just an honest name for the cocktail of nervous system burnout, disrupted routines, winter darkness, and cultural pressure that makes January feel like liminal purgatory. We talk about why your body crashes after December, why motivation disappears, why everything feels heavier, and why none of this means you’re broken, behind, or failing at life. We break down the difference between winter blues and Seasonal Affective Disorder, how capitalism fights biology every January, and why neurodivergent folks often feel this season more intensely. This episode blends therapist brains, lived experience, listener questions, nervous system education, music, trash panda joy, and variety-show chaos, because mental health conversations should feel human, not like homework. If January has you staring at your calendar wondering what happened to your personality, this one’s for you. We cover: Why January feels emotionally flat, irritable, and existentialWhat we mean by “Seasonal Feelings Disorder”The difference between January blues and Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD)The nervous system crash after December overstimulationWhy winter biology and productivity culture are always fightingHow routines, motivation, and identity get scrambled in JanuaryWhy neurodivergent nervous systems feel this season harderThe myth of “new year energy” and why it backfiresGentle ways to support your nervous system instead of forcing growthHow to re-enter structure without shame or self-punishmentWhy you’re not lazy, ungrateful, or behind, you’re defrosting We talk about: 00:00 – We’re back, end-of-year chaos, and why January already feels weird03:05 – Ins & outs, movement, therapy, identity, and letting go of over-rotting06:40 – Burnout, rest, and learning what actually restores us09:45 – Civic engagement, goblin core, and letting ourselves evolve messily12:30 – Tea & Crumpets, vagus nerve care and nervous system survival tools14:50 – Step Into My Office, the spiritually dehydrated January question18:20 – Why January feels existential and disorienting 20:15 – Seasonal Feelings Disorder, what it is and what it isn’t22:10 – SAD vs winter blues, clinical vs situational25:00 – Post-holiday adrenaline crashes and nervous system burnout28:40 – Circadian rhythms, darkness, and winter biology31:10 – Capitalism, productivity pressure, and January whiplash33:45 – Neurodivergence, masking fatigue, and routine collapse36:30 – Gentle structure instead of aggressive self-reinvention39:00 – Defrosting slowly instead of forcing bloom mode41:50 – Music that understands winter sadness44:20 – Fire Dumpster Phoenix, trash panda hope48:10 – Final thoughts, permission to move slowly into the year Connect with Us: Send a story or ask for advice: butforrealpod@gmail.com But For Real on IG: @butforrealpoda href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2bpcfrAOxJNXTx1cYHV5t8?si=7846bd1d33fb4155" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

    50 min
  5. 12/24/2025

    The One About Hypnosis 🌀

    Ever tried hypnosis and thought, “Cool… nothing is happening,” while everyone else in the comments claims their soul left their body? Same. In this episode, we’re pulling hypnosis out of the movie version and into real life. No clucking like a chicken. No blacking out. No dramatic “going under.” Just an honest, funny, science-backed conversation about what hypnosis actually is, why it often feels subtle, and why your brain isn’t broken if you’re still aware of everything. We talk about blinking aggressively during guided sessions, noticing every swallow, wondering if you left the dryer running, and why all of that is way more normal than you’ve been led to believe. From stage hypnosis myths to clinical hypnotherapy reality, we break down what’s actually happening in your brain and nervous system when you’re in a trance state. This episode blends clinical insight, nervous system education, pop culture references, and variety-show chaos, because learning about mental health shouldn’t feel like homework. We cover: What hypnosis really is (and what it definitely is not)Why hypnosis often feels calm, subtle, and very awakeThe myth of “going under” and where it came fromWhy overthinkers, anxious minds, and neurodivergent brains are not bad at hypnosisHow hypnosis overlaps with meditation, NSDR, EMDR, and brainspottingWhy watching TV, driving on autopilot, or losing your keys is already a trance stateThe difference between stage hypnosis, clinical hypnotherapy, and coaching-based hypnosisWhen self-hypnosis can be helpful and when working with a trained practitioner mattersWhy ethical practice and scope of care actually matter in this space We talk about: 00:00 – New setup, unhinged hypotheticals, and stage hypnosis chaos03:15 – Why hypnosis fascinates us (and confuses everyone)06:05 – Listener question, “Why does hypnosis feel like nothing is happening?”09:10 – Am I not hypnotizable? Overthinking, awareness, and myth busting12:40 – What hypnosis actually is (clinical explanation without the snooze)16:30 – The brain science, trance states, and nervous system regulation20:10 – Why watching TV, driving, and losing your keys is already hypnosis23:15 – Stage hypnosis vs clinical hypnotherapy (and why movies lied)27:20 – Hypnosis, ADHD, anxiety, and neurodivergent brains31:05 – Self-hypnosis, YouTube videos, and what actually helps35:40 – When hypnosis is helpful (and when it needs clinical support)40:10 – Pain, gut health, IBS, and what the research actually shows44:30 – Common myths, fears, and losing control concerns48:20 – What hypnosis usually feels like (heavy, light, time distortion)52:10 – Why subtle doesn’t mean ineffective55:00 – Final thoughts, nervous system wisdom, and reframing “nothing happened” Connect with Us: Send a story or ask for advice: butforrealpod@gmail.com But For Real on IG: @butforrealpodNow That's What I Call... OKAAAAY PlaylistThe Gaia Center on IG: @thegaiacenterVal on IG: @valkaymartinThe Gaia Center website: a href="http://www.gaiacenter.co" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

    52 min
  6. How Music Helps You Heal 🎵❤️‍🩹

    12/10/2025

    How Music Helps You Heal 🎵❤️‍🩹

    Music is literally the soundtrack of our lives – and music can be incredibly healing when used in the right way. In this episode of But For Real, Valerie and Emerson dive into the ins and outs of music therapy, how and why it works, and how you can start your own music therapy journey. This episode covers: 04:12 - Tea & Crumpets: Virginia Giuffre’s memoir: Nobody’s Girl + Take Back Your Marriage by Bill Doherty09:47 - Step Into My Office: Could music therapy be right for me, even if I’m not “musical”?15:03 - The DSM: What Even Is Music Therapy?40:02 - Now That's What I Call...OKAAAAY!43:34 - Val Pick: "Does Not Suffice" by Joanna Newsom46:40 - Em Pick: "29" by Demi Lovato47:11 - Wait...What? Is this gonna ruin the tour?49:01 - Fire Dumpster Phoenix: Fishing as an option for mental health treatment + A stray dog that turned into a service dog has just been crowned the 2025 Hero Dog Award by the American Humane Society! Resources + Stuff  Mentioned in This Episode: Nobody's Girl by Virginia Roberts GiuffreTake Back Your Marriage by Bill DohertyAmerican Music Therapy AssociationHow to find a certified MT-BCDoes Not Suffice by Joanna Newsom29 by Demi LovatoFishing as an option for mental health treatment A stray dog that turned into a service dog has just been crowned the 2025 Hero Dog Award by the American Humane Society! Connect with Us: Send a story or ask for advice: butforrealpod@gmail.com But For Real on IG: @butforrealpodNow That's...

    56 min
  7. The Serious Person’s Guide To Getting Silly Again 🤪

    11/26/2025

    The Serious Person’s Guide To Getting Silly Again 🤪

    If you feel like adult life is just full of responsibilities, to-dos, meetings, and seriousness, you’re not alone. With busy schedules and the weight of the world, it’s easy to feel disconnected. In this episode of But For Real, Valerie and Emerson explore the relationship we have as play as adults, why it’s actually integral to your well-being and how to start inviting in joy again 🫶 This episode covers: 03:17 - Tea & Crumpets: Freaky Friday + Freakier Friday and Emerson’s screen free sauna/steam Sunday routine07:08 - Step Into My Office: How can I get over the fear of looking stupid so that I can find fun?12:57 - The DSM: The Serious Person’s Guide To Getting Silly Again36:33 - Now That's What I Call...OKAAAY!38:11 - Em Pick: "Girl of Your Dreams" by Eli39:19 - Val Pick: "H.Y.C.Y.BH?" by Tom Cardy39:37 - Wait...What? - WTF does 67 mean?42:52 - Fire Dumpster Phoenix: Tiffany Haddish’s She Ready Foundation + Henry the 1200 lb polar bear eating a giant pumpkin Resources + Stuff  Mentioned in This Episode: Why We Play Jack PankseppEli, pop’s new stage girl, is living her teenage dream | The FADER"Girl of Your Dreams" by Eli"H.Y.C.Y.BH?" by Tom CardyTiffany Haddish’s She Ready FoundationHenry the 1200 lb polar bear Connect with Us: Send a story or ask for advice: butforrealpod@gmail.com But For Real on IG: @butforrealpodNow That's What I Call... OKAAAAY PlaylistThe Gaia Center on IG: @thegaiacenterVal on IG: @valkaymartinThe Gaia Center website: www.gaiacenter.co  DISCLAIMER: But For Real Podcast is not a substitute for individualized...

    48 min
  8. Existential-Humanistic Psychology— WTF actually is it?  🧐

    11/12/2025

    Existential-Humanistic Psychology— WTF actually is it? 🧐

    In a world full of uncertainty and pain, life can feel devoid of meaning and hope—but what if life could also feel incredibly rich by showing up for it fully? You don’t have to have it all figured out to live with depth, and existential humanistic psychology can help you reconnect with life meaningfully. This episode covers: 03:33 - Tea & Crumpets: Rewatching Nashville + The Lowdown07:21 - Step Into My Office: Okay, I’ve learned to cope… but now what?11:25 - The DSM: Existential-Humanistic Psychology43:30 - Now That's What I Call....OKAAAAY!44:43 - Em’s Pick: "End of Beginning" by Djo45:22 - Val’s Pick: "What Sarah Said" by Death Cab for Cutie45:42 - Fire Dumpster Phoenix: A 95 year old man started a Taylor Swift fan club + 80-Year-Old Grandma Who Learned to Swim at 59 Just Became Oldest Ever Female Ironman Finisher Resources + Stuff  Mentioned in This Episode: Nashville (TV Series 2012–2018) - IMDbThe Lowdown"End of Beginning" by Djo"What Sarah Said" by Death Cab for Cutie95 year old man started a Taylor Swift fan club80-Year-Old Grandma Who Learned to Swim at 59 Just Became Oldest Ever Female Ironman Finisher Connect with Us: Send a story or ask for advice: butforrealpod@gmail.com But For Real on IG: @butforrealpodNow That's What I Call... OKAAAAY PlaylistThe Gaia Center on IG: @thegaiacenterVal on IG: @valkaymartinThe Gaia Center website: www.gaiacenter.co  DISCLAIMER: But For Real Podcast is not a substitute for individualized mental health treatment or healthcare. This podcast is solely for entertainment and educational purposes. If you are in crisis, please utilize...

    50 min

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Welcome to But For Real: the podcast where all your swirling thoughts about mental health, pop culture, and how to human are blended into one delicious variety show, co-hosted by therapists Valerie Martin (resident elder millennial ✌️) and Emerson Ryder (resident Gen Z 🫶).