Called to the Workforce

We talk about how women of faith can develop professional and leadership skills.

Welcome to Called to the Workforce podcast, where we talk about how women of faith can develop professional and leadership skills for their careers, volunteer or church service, and lives. Hosted by Emily Chipman, internationally recognized master certified Marshall Goldsmith Stakeholder Centered Coach, and a lifelong LDS Christian who has learned the value of mentors and open conversations to teach women how to build strong careers and strong faith practices that complement each other. Each episode features an in-depth conversation with an LDS Christian woman sharing hard-earned professional and leader development lessons from her work and faith and valuable insights into the roadmap for doing this today. Subscribe to the show on YouTube or your favorite podcast app to catch all of Season 1! calledtotheworkforce.substack.com

  1. S2 E3 Women Are Great at Building Relationships. We Just Hesitate to Use Them.

    18H AGO

    S2 E3 Women Are Great at Building Relationships. We Just Hesitate to Use Them.

    In this episode, I sat down with Kriss Pond to talk about something that I believe quietly shapes careers more than talent alone: Professional relationships. Not just building them.Leveraging them. Kriss has worked in social work, oncology, youth programming, and university housing. Early in her career, she experienced two very different leaders — one who focused almost exclusively on outcomes… and one who understood that outcomes are built on people. Nine employees left under the first leader. Under the second?People stayed. And they showed up. That contrast shaped how Kriss leads — and how she thinks about relationship capital. Four Key Takeaways: 1. Results don’t happen without relationships.One of the most powerful stories Kriss shared was about a CEO who knew everyone’s name — doctors, custodial staff, cafeteria workers. Not because he had time. Because he knew it mattered. The message was simple: if people don’t feel valued, they eventually leave — physically or emotionally. 2. Relationship capital is built in the “nanoseconds.”A head poked into an office. Ten seconds in a hallway. A thoughtful follow-up email. Those tiny interactions are deposits. And when you need something later — that’s when you feel the return. 3. Leveraging isn’t selfish — it’s strategic.Kriss didn’t wait for networking magic. When she stepped back into a previous role, she made a 90-day plan and asked herself: Who do I need to be successful? She asked questions. Took people to lunch. Even kept Almond M&Ms in her desk for the IT specialist who kept her department running. That’s not manipulation. That’s understanding how work actually gets done. 4. Invest in the outcome more than your idea.This one hit me. Speak up. Offer the idea. Contribute fully. And if the group chooses another direction? Get on board and help make it successful. That’s maturity. That’s influence. That’s leadership. One thing I appreciated in this conversation was the reminder that office politics doesn’t have to be dirty. It can simply mean:Do you know how things move?Do you know who helps them move?And have you invested enough that when you ask for help, people are glad to give it? In this episode, we cover: [00:03:30] A first job that revealed the cost of neglecting relationships[00:05:45] A CEO who knew every name — and why that mattered[00:09:30] Building relationships in the margins of busy days[00:14:30] Why women hesitate to leverage their networks[00:19:00] The Almond M&M story — and what happened after she left[00:25:30] The Arbinger pyramid: personal way of being → relationships → teaching → correction[00:36:00] Presenting ideas without over-attaching[00:45:15] Handling disappointment when your idea isn’t chosen[00:47:45] “You add value wherever you go.” This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit calledtotheworkforce.substack.com

    50 min
  2. S2 E2 Finding Your Leadership Voice

    MAR 9

    S2 E2 Finding Your Leadership Voice

    In this episode, I sat down with Dr. Janalee Emmer to talk about something that sounds simple… but is anything but: Authenticity at work. Not performative confidence.Not copying someone else’s leadership style.But cultivating your voice — and learning when and how to use it. Janalee’s career didn’t unfold in a straight line. She explored. She kept multiple tracks open. She built depth in her field while also gaining varied experience. And eventually, she stepped into the role of Director of the BYU Museum of Art — a role that required her to lead in her own way, not her predecessor’s. That distinction matters more than we think. Four Key Takeaways: 1. Depth gives you flexibility.Janalee didn’t stay broad and vague. She chose a field — art history — and then built experience within it. Specificity made her credible. Variety made her adaptable. That combination is what made future leadership possible. 2. Authentic doesn’t mean unfiltered.You don’t interact with a university president the same way you interact with your three-year-old niece — and that doesn’t make you fake. It makes you wise. Authenticity isn’t sameness. It’s alignment with your values across different settings. 3. Practice your voice before the stakes are high.Janalee talked about learning to speak up respectfully in lower-stakes settings so she could lead effectively in higher-stakes ones. Tone matters. Mission alignment matters. And listening deeply — even when you disagree — builds long-term trust. 4. Faith requires daily recommitment.From leaving a tenure-track “dream job” to navigating seasons that didn’t look the way she expected, Janalee shared a powerful reminder: faith is fragile if we don’t choose it daily. Sometimes the most faithful thing we can ask is, What is the one needful thing right now? One moment that stayed with me was her reframing of the Mary and Martha story. We often praise Mary and quietly criticize Martha.But what if we are both? What if leadership requires stillness and action?Focus and forward movement? That balance — at work and at home — is part of finding your voice. In this episode, we cover: [00:02:00] Finding direction without narrowing too soon[00:08:30] Leadership authenticity vs. imitation[00:19:15] Speaking up in high-stakes environments[00:25:00] Navigating disappointment professionally[00:31:15] Faith, unexpected paths, and daily recommitment[00:40:45] Mary & Martha reframed for working women[00:44:03] “You are doing better than you think.” This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit calledtotheworkforce.substack.com

    47 min
  3. S2 E1 Why Most Women Leadership Development Programs Don’t Work (And What Actually Does)

    MAR 2

    S2 E1 Why Most Women Leadership Development Programs Don’t Work (And What Actually Does)

    In this season opener, I’m doing something a little different. No guest. Just a conversation about something that matters more than we often admit: How do you choose a leadership program that actually changes you? Last year, I attended a training with Dr. Susan Madsen on women’s leadership development. I walked in thinking about what I could improve as a practitioner. I walked out thinking about how many capable women invest time and money into programs that create awareness… but not transformation. Somewhere between 70–75% of leadership development programs don’t show measurable performance improvement. That should make us pause. So in this episode, I break down the three research-backed elements that truly move the needle for women — and what to look for before you say yes to anything. Four Key Takeaways: 1. Leadership identity matters more than skill-building. You can teach communication frameworks all day long. But if a woman does not internally see herself as a leader, the skill won’t stick. Identity has layers: * You internalize it. * Others recognize it. * The broader system endorses it. If a program never makes space for imposter syndrome, ambition, perfectionism, or confidence — it’s probably too shallow. 2. Calling fuels courage. One of the most fascinating findings in the research is this: When women feel a sense of calling connected to leadership, they step up. When they don’t, they hesitate — even if they’re qualified. Calling increases job satisfaction, resilience, engagement, and meaning. Leadership isn’t always about wanting the spotlight. Sometimes it’s about recognizing the impact you’re capable of making. 3. Unconscious bias must be handled carefully. This topic matters — deeply. But if it’s taught poorly, it can leave women frustrated and angry in ways that don’t serve them in their specific workplace culture. If a program claims to cover bias, ask who is teaching it — and what their expertise is. This isn’t a checkbox conversation. 4. One-day inspiration does not create transformation. Real development takes time. The research suggests multi-day programs, spaced over months, with peer cohorts and real assignments. Awareness is easy. Becoming takes repetition, reflection, and community. One moment that stayed with me was the simple shift from doing → being → becoming. We can practice behaviors.We can act like leaders. But until it becomes who we are — until we internalize it — it won’t sustain under pressure. Leadership isn’t an event you attend. It’s an identity you grow into. In this episode, we cover: [00:01:15] Why most programs don’t show performance improvement[00:02:15] Leadership identity: internalization, recognition, endorsement[00:05:15] Perfectionism, ambition, and imposter syndrome[00:06:45] Calling and purpose as a driver for stepping up[00:08:15] Research-backed benefits of feeling called[00:09:30] Why unconscious bias training requires real expertise[00:12:55] One-day events vs. sustained development[00:13:45] Cohorts, peer groups, and challenging assignments[00:16:45] A simple mentoring challenge for this season If there’s one small assignment before the next episode drops: Ask someone to mentor you. You might be surprised how willing people are to support you — if you’re willing to ask. Season two is about identity, influence, purpose, and growth. And we’re just getting started. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit calledtotheworkforce.substack.com

    19 min
4.8
out of 5
25 Ratings

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Welcome to Called to the Workforce podcast, where we talk about how women of faith can develop professional and leadership skills for their careers, volunteer or church service, and lives. Hosted by Emily Chipman, internationally recognized master certified Marshall Goldsmith Stakeholder Centered Coach, and a lifelong LDS Christian who has learned the value of mentors and open conversations to teach women how to build strong careers and strong faith practices that complement each other. Each episode features an in-depth conversation with an LDS Christian woman sharing hard-earned professional and leader development lessons from her work and faith and valuable insights into the roadmap for doing this today. Subscribe to the show on YouTube or your favorite podcast app to catch all of Season 1! calledtotheworkforce.substack.com

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