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Today’s Topic & Guest: Pat Neve | Pat on Substack | Bropostles Podcast, Author of ‘Save Your Parish’ In this episode, I’m joined by Pat Neve, the mind behind the Catholic Pat Substack and author of the vital new book, Save Your Parish. Pat has a fascinating background that spans stand-up comedy, professional youth ministry, and high-level sales—a combination that gives him a unique vantage point on how we, as founders, can impact our local church communities. We dive deep into why the skills you use to build your business are exactly what your parish needs to move from a state of maintenance to a state of mission. We explore the concept of “ownership” versus “consumption.” Most people approach their parish like a customer at a store, but as entrepreneurs, we have a natural drive to build, fix, and steward. Pat challenges us to see our wealth and influence as a “necessary burden” for the benefit of the community. If you’ve ever felt frustrated by the lack of community or leadership in your local parish, this conversation provides the blueprint for how you can step up and lead without waiting for a programmatic fix from the top down. Core Lesson: Transform your local church by moving from a consumer mindset to an ownership mentality. We’ve spent a lot of time on the podcast and over at the Catholic Founders Substack talking about how our businesses are meant to be instruments of God’s will. However, there’s a real danger in compartmentalizing that “founder energy” and leaving it at the office. Too often, we walk into our parishes with the mindset of a customer, expecting the priest to provide a perfect “user experience” while we sit back and consume. Pat hits on a point that we’ve explored in previous episodes with guys like Johann Kurtz: we are responsible for the legacy we leave in our local communities. If you see a lack of fellowship or a crumbling infrastructure, that should be viewed as a call to stewardship, rather than a cue to find a better “product” down the road. Taking ownership means recognizing that you’ve been equipped with the specific skills and resources to actually move the needle. As entrepreneurs, we have a natural tendency to create and build, and we must apply that same drive to the “garden” of our parish. This is a matter of justice—giving to the community what it is due because we are an integral part of it. When you start seeing yourself as a co-owner of the mission rather than a recipient of a service, your entire approach to the Sunday obligation shifts. You begin to look for ways to leverage your social influence and your capital to cultivate a culture where the faith can actually thrive for the next generation. We were created to create, and that creative responsibility extends directly into the pews. 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Key Episode References: * Save Your Parish by Pat Neve * Catholic Pat Substack * Bropostles Podcast * Christifideles Laici by Pope John Paul II * Leaving a Legacy by Johann Kurtz * Alpha for Catholics * Life Teen * Genesis 2:15 * St. Ignatius of Loyola * Pope Paul VI Select Quotes: * “There are three ways to influence your parish. One is through money. The other is through social influence. And the third is through prayer. And we should all be doing the third one. And if you don’t do the third one, you’re going to suck at the other two.” — Pat Neve (00:00) * “Social influence and money are a great way to change your parish for the better. So business owners ought to see their wealth as a necessary burden for benefiting the community.” — Pat Neve (00:15) * “You’re responsible for the care and cultivation of the garden of Eden, of the earth. And so that means that some people in this life are going to be cursed with wealth, power, pleasure, and fame.” — Pat Neve (00:45) * “If you as a business owner are trying to grow your business, look at it as recognize it as a burden, kiss your cross and carry it and understand that you have a higher responsibility.” — Pat Neve (00:58) * “The amount of judgment and rejection you get [in sales] is minimal compared to being a youth minister.” — Pat Neve (07:34) * “You’re not working for an institution. You’re not like leading an institution. You’re leading a people. You’re leading a community.” — Pat Neve (08:24) * “How do you build momentum in a business is you do everything and then you start teaching other people how to do it... It’s a lot like entrepreneurship.” — Pat Neve (40:15) * “You start building a ministry that builds itself and runs without much input... you’re just in charge of the culture check.” — Pat Neve (40:55) Key Moments: (outline) * [00:00] - Influencing Your Parish: Pat identifies money, social influence, and prayer as the three primary levers for parish change. * [01:06] - Welcome to Catholic Founders: Silas introduces the mission of becoming an instrument of God’s will through business leadership. * [04:11] - Pat’s Background: From stand-up comedy and youth ministry to theology and sales. * [05:36] - The Premise of “Save Your Parish”: Exploring why entrepreneurs are the natural catalysts for parish revitalization. * [09:44] - The Resistance: Why staying and building a “bad” parish is often more fruitful than leaving for a perfect one. * [13:55] - Strategy and Grace: Balancing human effort with divine reliance in the work of building community. * [25:30] - Justice and the Precepts: Understanding our fundamental obligations to the Church as a matter of justice. * [30:28] - Choosing Where to Plant Roots: Tactical advice on selecting a parish when you have multiple options in a metropolitan area. * [40:15] - Scaling Ministry Culture: How to apply entrepreneurial delegation and culture-building to parish life. * [55:00] - The Founder’s Charge: Silas summarizes the call for business owners to lean into their gift of creating for the sake of the Gospel. 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