Chasing Bailey

Chasing Bailey

Chasing Bailey is a podcast about a group of teachers, leaders, and others who dedicated themselves to changing the fortunes of a failing middle school in Nashville TN from 2012 to 2016. They succeeded, but their achievement was bittersweet. In 2016, the district closed that school. Still, those who were there knew they had stumbled onto something special, some important educational truths that might help all of us find our way out of the morass that COVID 19 has left us in.

  1. 07/23/2024

    How Choice for Students Gets Us to Responsibility

    Families’ choice of school for their children is not the only kind of choice that matters educationally.  It may well not be the most important kind, either.  We heard from parents in Episode 4 who were concerned with whether or not their kids learned to think and act for themselves, and in the process, to take responsibility for who they were in the world. What do educators think about this?     When educators wrestle with questions of student choice and responsibility, the differences revolve around when and how much -- and almost never about whether choice and responsibility matter. But the broad strokes of what we know are clear in research and in our discussion here: choice motivates student interest and effort, choice forms the ground for taking responsibility, and choice is both ground for and marker of shared life in a democratic community.       00:00  Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel  01:24 Choice generates motivation, responsibility, and democracy Stengel  03:51 Introductions Anna Bernstein, middle level English teacher/coach; Sara Sjerven, independent school English teacher/coach; Liz Self, high school English teacher  08:11 So what about choice? Links to teachers’ autonomy, curricular constraints and self-censorship Bernstein, Stengel, Sjerven  17:07 Choice as simple respect for students Self  21:50 Choice is both challenging and necessary for learning Bernstein, Sjerven   26:18 Why choice?  Community of learners Stengel, Sjerven  30:10 Why choice? Other people in all their glory!  Self  33:30 Why choice? The purpose of public school in a democracy Bernstein, Stengel  36:55 Bring on responsibility (gender, time, desire, perspective) Self, Stengel, Sjerven  41:35 Whose choices?  Whose agency? Whose responsibility? Sjerven, Stengel  44:30 Disillusionment is understandable; is response possible? Bernstein  46:55 What’s privilege got to do with it?  Students’ economic value Sjerven, Stengel,  50:03 Does responsibility precede choice?  Sjerven, Bernstein  53:16 The continuous enlargement of the space of the possible Self  56:40 Supports for teachers who design for choice? Stengel, Bernstein, Sjerven,  63:39 Community, creativity and trust for teachers Stengel  66:20 This is the end of Season 2.  Join us in the fall for Season 3!        Many thanks to the committed and accomplished teachers who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode!   These include Anna Bernstein, Sara Sjerven, and Liz Self.    As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website:    www.chasingbaileypod.com.

    1h 4m

  2. 03/20/2024

    Reading Wars Redux:  The Science of Reading

    Folks have been debating how to teach reading at least since 1985.  At that time, the issue was framed as top-down vs. bottom-up.      This makes the debate seem “tidy,” just two sides with clear delineation.   You were FOR phonics (bottom up) or you were FOR textual understanding (top down), but you couldn’t be for both.  In truth, there were no teachers then or now who don’t value both, who don’t tailor their teaching to the instructional moment of their students, individually and collectively.    Well, we’re at the reading wars again, but the slogan now is “the science of reading” and all the educational reformers are hopping on the bandwagon.  In this episode, we ask teachers to make sense of the science of reading and what it has to do with the real challenges and real joys in helping youngsters become readers.    00:00  Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel  01:24 The “Reading Wars” are back!!  Stengel  04:24 DC teacher Katie Mazenko on complexity and challenge  Mazenko;  Stengel  07:42 Is balance bad??  How to get skill, will and thrill. Stengel; Sara Abu Rumman, IN public school literacy coach  11:49   A new teacher faces the challenge   Maddie Bernards, 1st grade teacher in CA; Stengel  14:14 What’s developmentally “normal” in reading development?   Stengel; Mazenko; Sarah Ockenhouse, 3rd grade Nashville teacher  19:08 Joy in skill development and watching kids become readers   Stengel; Ockenhouse  21:10 And why test scores don’t reflect actual development?  Stengel; Ockenhouse  22:20 What do reading researchers think?  Don’t legislate!  Stengel  23:25 Understanding the value of phonics in learning to read  Stengel; Cara Furman, Hunter College  30:10 Juggling the different needs of youngsters learning to read Stengel; Furman  33:04 The important of teacher autonomy in teaching reading  Stengel; Krystal Dillard, co-Director,   38:41 Curriculum and materials that encourage reading and readers  Stengel; Dillard  40:54 Structured literacy is back!  In a context of external controls   Stengel; Ocheze Joseph, Director of Teacher Education, American University  45:20 (How) Are novice teachers prepared to take this on?  Stengel; Ockenhouse; Bernards  48:50 Can the system shift to make first rate reading instruction possible for all?  Stengel, Bernards; Abu Rumman;   55:01 What motivates the slogan “science of reading”?  Maybe money, maybe politics  Stengel;  Dillard  56:28 Relationships and teacher judgment in the face of a “manufactured crisis”: the Chasing Bailey touchstone  Stengel      59:16  Join us next time to think about choice as it impacts concrete interactions between teachers and students (and yes, parents too!)        Many thanks to the guests who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode!   These include Katelyn Mazenko, Sara Abu Rumman, Maddie Bernards, Dr. Cara Furman, Krystal Dillard, Sarah Ockenhouse, and Dr. Ocheze Joseph.    As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website:    www.chasingbaileypod.com.

    1h 1m

  3. 02/05/2024

    What Do Parents REALLY Want?

    Today we don’t talk enough about John Dewey’s call to educational equity and its impact on democracy.  Instead, small groups of parents (most notably Moms for Liberty) are prompting battles in local school boards to ban books, to fight racially inclusive curriculum, and to limit the rights and constrain the very existence of transgender and questioning youth.     But some other parents – the majority it seems -- are fighting back to say clearly that these are not concerns they care about.   What DO they care about?  If this episode’s guests are taken seriously, families care about their children’s happiness, curiosity, safety, diversity, relationships – and recess!!  It’s not that they don’t want academic learning for their youngsters, but they seem to understand … as most educators do, that happiness, curiosity, etc. will ensure the right academic achievement to power both economic capacity and living well.   00:00  Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel  01:24 What do we mean when we invoke parents rights?  Stengel  04:29 Grandmas for Love challenge Moms for Liberty Stengel; Dr. Shirley Showalter, former President of Goshen College  11:57 Do other parents agree with Grandmas for Love?  It seems so!   Stengel  12:15   The special view of parents in rural areas  Amanda West, expectant mother and Bailey resident; Stengel  18:04   Supporting the Bailey grad who now has adult responsibilities Ithaca Black, Bailey parent and mother of Maia; Stengel  22:40   Committing to the “neediest” neighborhood school Christiane Buggs, President of the MNPS School Board and mother of Christopher;  Stengel  29:50 What to do about school when your kids need very different things? Liz Self, educator and mother of Oliver, Emme, and Zola; Stengel  39:32 How a child with multiple disabilities shapes everybody’s experience  Becky Peterson, educator and mother of Finn, Hawk, and Lucy;  Stengel  47:44 Use the PTA as an entrée to care for your kids   Jess Houde, educator and mother of three enrolled in the same district;  Stengel  53:33 What do dads want?  Stu Smith, father of Stuie and Alana and Johnny Benson, father of Bailey and Jojo; Stengel  1:01.58  What parents want … no surprise  Stengel  1:03:00  The link between love and success/achievement  Showalter, Stengel  1:04:40  Taking an alternate look at the whys and wherefores of  parental choice   1:06:15  Join us next time to dive into “the science of reading.”              Many thanks to the guests who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode!   These include Shirley Showalter, Amanda West, Ithaca Black, Christiane Buggs, Liz Self, Becky Peterson, Johnny Benson, and Stu Smith.    As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website:    www.chasingbaileypod.com.

    1h 8m

  4. 01/18/2024 · BONUS

    Responsibility: Anchoring (Renewal in) Education

    This is a “bonus episode,” not part of our regular schedule, but a conversation that nonetheless deepens and expands the ideas about education that ground the podcast.  In mid-December, Bloomsbury Press published Responsibility, a book  authored by Dr. Barbara Stengle for their Philosophy of Education in Practice series.  To help launch the book, Barb decided to sit down with 4 colleagues and invite them to make sense of what she has said and done.

    54 min

  5. 12/01/2023

    Professional Development? Learning In and Through Practice

    Have you ever taken the time to really listen to teachers talk about their work, about their joys and frustrations, and about how they grow as they work together?   This episode is an opportunity to do just that.   Bailey teachers talk about their experience and offer wisdom for all of us as they do so.      00:00  Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel  01:25 Introduction to Professional Development? The Bailey Experience Stengel  03:55 Bailey’s Team Structure as the Engine of Professional Development  Stengel, Keisha Harding, Bailey Teacher Leader now a STEM Consultant; Emily Prendergrass, Associate Professor of the Practice of Teaching Reading, Peabody College  14:20 TLUS as a Vehicle for Learning Together to be Prepared, Not Scared Stengel, Harding, Pendergrass   24:05 More Relational Capacity: The Synergistic Role of Residents  Stengel, Lindsey Nelson, Dean of Academics; Kenan Kerr, resident, 8 year teacher, now curriculum consultant;  Julia Konrad, resident, 5 year teacher, now Head of Education Research in NYC Independent Budget Office  40:05 Job-Embedded Teachers:  The Answer to Shortages?  Stengel, Nelson, Kerr, Konrad  47:58 Why Aren’t These Teachers Still in the Classroom? Stengel, Nelson, Kerr, Konrad  54:28 What Does Teacher Learning Look Like in the Good School?  And How Can We Fund THAT? Stengel  57:15 Next Time:  “Parents Rights”:  Politically Volatile but Educationally Important?  Not So Much Stengel      Many thanks to the guests who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode!   These include Emily Pendergrass, Keisha, Harding, Lindsey Nelson, Julia Konrad, and Kenan Kerr.    As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website:    www.chasingbaileypod.com.

    1 hr

  6. 11/01/2023

    Autonomy? Trust and Responsibility

    The headlines are still screaming at us … but those headlines are not written by teachers and principals.  As we saw in the last episode, most media headlines simply don’t reflect the experience or concerns of those considered actual educational experts.    00:00  Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel 01:25   Introduction to Autonomy (a tour through the headlines from Chicago and Denver) Stengel, Camilla Modesitt, Director of External Relations, Denver Language School 08:15   Principals’ Perspectives: “Professionalism and Empowerment with Balance and ‘Compliance’” Merida Freguada, Principal, Marrama Elementary 12:13   Principals’ Perspective: “Innovation in Name Only” Alex Wenzel, Principal, Denver Center for International Studies 19:55   Principals’ Perspectives: “Autonomy as Freedom, Power, and Responsibility” Modisett 32:44   Autonomy = Trust and Responsibility Stengel, Fraguada 33:55   Teacher Autonomy, Dead or Not Dead? Stengel 36:45   Autonomy in the Good School:  Lessons from Bailey Stengel, Claire Jasper-Crafter, Bailey Chief of Culture;  Karen Dorris, Bailey Teacher Leader, Laura Laufman, Bailey Resident 41:50   “All Their Needs Were Taken Care of” Stengel 42:45   Next Time:  Learning in and through Practice  Wenzel, Stengel     Many thanks to the guests who agreed to inform our thinking for this episode!   As usual, there are references to a variety of social, educational and historical news and commentary. You can pursue our sources and find out more about these issues at our website:  www.chasingbaileypod.com.

    46 min

  7. 10/29/2023

    Season 2 Episode 2 Teaser

    The Pandemic is endemic, or nearly so.  We’re still getting sick at all the wrong times, but the impact on most who actually test positive for COVID-19 are annoying rather than debilitating.  But the pandemic left us with a huge educational hangover, and the headlines really are screaming at us.  As always, our interest is in the experience of those who are on the ground. Full Episode releases on November 1st.

    2 min

  8. 10/01/2023

    Post-Pandemic Responsibility and Recovery

    The Pandemic is endemic, or nearly so.  We’re still getting sick at all the wrong times, but the impact on most who actually test positive for COVID-19 are annoying rather than debilitating.  But the pandemic left us with a huge educational hangover, and the headlines really are screaming at us.  As always, our interest is in the experience of those who are on the ground.      00:00  Introduction to the Second Season Dr. Barbara Stengel  01:30   Introduction to Post-Pandemic Recovery (a tour through the headlines) Stengel  06:37 The Bailey Perspective (featuring teacher leaders)  Whitney Weathers Bradley, Kelly Aldridge Boyd, LeKeisha Harding, and Lindsey Nelson  19:35 Experience on the Ground in Lancaster, PA  Stengel  20:44 Principals’ Perspective: “We Got This”  Melanie Martinez, Principal, Wharton Elementary School  23:45 COVID-19 as a Magnifying Glass for Persistent Problems  Baron Jones, Principal of Martic Middle School; Barb Smentek, science teacher, Lincoln Middle School; Martinez  32:44 Teachers’ Perspectives Stengel  33:55 Learning Loss  Amanda Aikens, Dean of Students, Ross Elementary School; Julia Rios Schwartz, 4th grade teacher, Martin Elementary School  36:45 What’s the Message?  Stengel, Aikens, Rios Schwartz  40:34 The Central Role of Community  Rios Schwartz, Stengel, Smentek  44:04 Community and Connection  Jones, Stengel  45:43 Neglecting Academics  Stengel, Smentek  47:40 Positive Outcomes of the Pandemic?  Stengel, Martinez  49:11 Caring for Teachers  Stengel, Aikens, Jones  54:10 Teachers Disheartened and Frustrated  Rios Schwartz, Stengel, Smentek  56:30 What Now?  Stengel

    1 hr
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Chasing Bailey is a podcast about a group of teachers, leaders, and others who dedicated themselves to changing the fortunes of a failing middle school in Nashville TN from 2012 to 2016. They succeeded, but their achievement was bittersweet. In 2016, the district closed that school. Still, those who were there knew they had stumbled onto something special, some important educational truths that might help all of us find our way out of the morass that COVID 19 has left us in.

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    Chasing Bailey
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2024
  • Episodes
    19
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