Chasing Consciousness

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The curious person’s guide to all things mind! Have you ever wondered how it is that your thoughts and feelings relate to the grey matter in your head? How space and time came to be out of nothing? How what life means to us influences our day-to-day struggles with mental health? In conversation with experts in physics, psychology, neuroscience and philosophy, Chasing Consciousness will take you to the very fringes of reality and share with you the groundbreaking discoveries that are dramatically changing the way we relate to the world, the future, and our own minds.

  1. EXTENDED COGNITION & PARTICIPATORY SENSE-MAKING - Rebecca Todd PhD #90

    3일 전

    EXTENDED COGNITION & PARTICIPATORY SENSE-MAKING - Rebecca Todd PhD #90

    How separate is the cognition in our heads from cognition with our bodies, our tools, our communities and our ecosystems? What is participatory sense making and why is our world becoming less and less disposed to doing it? What does connecting cognitively with the world beyond our own bodies do for our sense making, and so for the future of our species? In this episode we have the intriguing topic of extended cognition to explore, and in particular the field of participatory sense-making. So we get into the extended component of the 5E’s model of embodied cognition; how our technologies, including AI, are much more influential on our cognition than mere tools that we set aside after use; we talk about our co-dependence on the natural world, and what happens to cognition and our society when our sense of “kinship” with it is lost; And we get into detail on the crucial process of participatory sense making, and how important it is to arrive to consensus rather than getting bogged down in polarisation, which in turn allows us to decide on urgent solutions as a species. Fortunately these are the exact specialisations of our guest, psychologist, cognitive scientist and philosopher at the University of British Columbia, Rebecca Todd. With a background also in neuroscience, she’s authored nearly 100 academic papers, whilst her substack hosts her much loved writings for the general What we discuss: 00:00 Intro. 06:05 Extended cognition defined. 08:45 Distributed cognition - Edward Hutchins. 09:00 Attention, learning and memory are all distributed. 10:00 Can we identify the cognitive boundary between self and other? 14:30 Heidegger’s warning about undermining the influence of technology. 17:00 We give our tools too much credit. 19:00 Large Language Model’s effect on extended cognition. 23:00 Individualistic, extractive, competitive motivations for technology. 24:00 Self AS relationship rather than IN relationship - Dr. Yuri Celidwen. 28:10 Non-verbal communication. 29:46 Feedback loops between nature and our minds. 33:50 Connection to nature and mental health. 37:20 Belonging and ‘kinship’ with the natural world. 39:45 Objects can have personality - Object personality Synesthesia. 44:20 Risk of appropriation, when applying indigenous ideas of ‘belonging’. 46:50 The ‘Trim Tab’ analogy — small interventions can lead to big changes in direction, Greg Watson. 53:15 Participatory Sense-making explained. 57:30 Shifts happen before and after moments of synchrony. 59:30 Conditions required for participatory sense-making. 01:02:20 The 4 R’s: Reciprocity, Respect, responsibility and relevance. 01:03:05 Neurodivergence: bridging the way we see the world differently. 01:12:15 The new lack of bandwidth for complexity and nuance - information overload. 01:15:30 Creating the time and space needed to do participatory sense-making. 01:19:30 Food together is a magical ingredient. 01:23:30 Openness and listening can be trained. 01:24:20 Is consensus necessary. 01:29:10 Tolerance of diversity rather than unified consensus. References: Beck Todd Substack, “Towards an ecology of mind” Andy Clarke and David Chalmers, “Extended Cognition” paper Edward Hutchins - Distributed Cognition paper. Fernando Rosas - Statistical boundaries between agents. Karen McClean - SPIN Lab (human-robot interactions through the sense of touch) Shirley Turcotte - Indigenous Focusing-oriented Therapy (IFOT) “Participatory Sense-making with the More than Human World” With Yuri Celidwen. An interview with Dr. Greg Watson - Ex US agricultural minister Hannah De Jaegher & Ezequial Di Poalo, “Participatory Sensemaking, An enactive approach to social cognition”. V.J .Kirkness, “First Nations and Higher Education: the four 4’s” “The Multiplicity of Worlds” with Penijean Gracefire et al. Ed Young, “An immense world” “Community Out of the Ashes” with Eli Oda Shina. Gabor Mate, “In the realm of hungry ghosts - Encounters with Addiction”

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  2. SPACE PSYCHOLOGY EXPLAINED - Iya Whiteley PhD #88

    6월 15일

    SPACE PSYCHOLOGY EXPLAINED - Iya Whiteley PhD #88

    What can psychologists do the make pilots and astronauts’ decision making better under duress? Can we anticipate the psychological issues of planned long distance space missions to Mars? How can we shift the  shame culture for pilots and astronauts around reporting unidientified anomolous phenomena? In this episode we have the unique field of Space psychology to look into; So we discuss the psychology of military pilots and astronauts working under such extreme conditions; and the intuitive skill sets developed under such high pressure, split second decision situations; we discuss the cognitive engineering required to match the design of instruments to the cognitive needs of the pilots and astronauts; we get into alternatives methods of expertise exchange apart from the usual text book approach which have had extraordinary decision making results for pilot and astronaut performance. We also discuss the issues for pilots around reporting of UFO encounters, and the implications for space psychology of the new bout of main stream interest following the New York Times 2017 expose of military incidents. So who better to help us understand the minds of pilots and astronauts than space psychologist, cognitive engineer, astronaut instructor and Director of the Centre of Space Medicine at UCL in London, Dr. Iya Whitely. She’s helped design training programs and conducted studies for the European Space Agency, The Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Centre in Russia, and presented he research for the USAirforce and Nasa. Dr. Whitely is also a pilot, rescue scuba diver and competitive sky diver! She’s written 11 scientific papers, and three books, “Toolkit of a Space Psychologist, to support astronauts on exploration missions to the moon and mars”, “Earth Designs” for toddlers, and her new book “Born Knowing”, which we get onto at the end. What we discuss: 00:00 Intro. 05:30 Iya’s path into Cognitive Engineering. 18:35 Decision making research. 28:00 Iya’s method led to 200/cent increase in decision making speed. 21:40 Professional intuition. 43:00 Surgeon expertise transmission study 55:45 Astronaut psychology - Alexei Leonov, first space walk near-disaster, 1965. 01:06:00 ESA human, long-distance space flight study. 01:13:00 Nature solves problems using resources available locally - Biomimetics, Dr Olga Bogatyreva. 01:27:10 Mars 500: 520 day simulated Mars mission trial. 01:31:30 Space colonisation psychology. 01:40:40 Difficulty reintegrating with terrestrial society after missions to space. 01:43:00 “The Overview Effect” when earth is seen from space. 01:50:30 Taboo around reporting of anomolous phenomena for pilots and astronauts. 01:53:15 Ryan Graves is speaking out in congress about repeated UFO safety concerns. 02:01:00 Astronauts can’t risk to speak about this as it will affect their careers. 02:13:00 Navy have implemented a new reporting protocol and office, AARO. 02:21:30 Iya at the Sol Foundation: Garry Nolan & Diana Pasulka. 02:29:30 Pilot Jake Baba - reporting issue with the phenomena. 02:39:10 Telepathic autistic children, called ‘spellers’. Diane Hennessy Powell research. 02:47:00 These telepathic kids are also interracting with non-human intelligences. 02:51:15 Non-verbal communication with toddlers. References: Iya Whiteley, “Born Knowing”. Iya Whiteley & Olga Bogatyreva, “Toolkit for a space psycholgist”. Iya Whiteley, “Earth designs” toddlers book. Gary A. Klein - professional intuition book “The Power of Intuition". Dr Olga Bogatyreva - ‘Biomimetics - its practice and theory’. Frank White, “The Overview Effect”. Whitley Strieber, “Communion”. Rick Srassman, “DMT The Spirit Molecule”. All domain Anomoloy Resoltions Office, AARO. 2024 Paper on the UAP reporting system  Occupational Safety and Reporting Guidance: Reviewing UAP ... Sol Foundation of Garry Nolan at Stanford, Scientific UAP research. Ky Dickens, Telepathy Tapes podcast and documentary film.

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  3. REIMAGINING OUR POST-COLONIAL PSYCHOLOGY - Bayo Akomolafe PhD #87

    5월 31일

    REIMAGINING OUR POST-COLONIAL PSYCHOLOGY - Bayo Akomolafe PhD #87

    How has colonialism shaped our western psychology? How can we reimagine our post-colonial psychology, before we wipe ourselves out? What is the role of the trickster archetype in the disruption of such a well-established and dominant world view? In this episode we have the tricky topic of trying to re-orientate our post-colonial psychology. So we’re going to be looking into the reasons why we might need to do that, following the influence of the west’s military-industrial rise to power over the last 250 years, and the post scientific revolution’s predominantly reductionist, philosophy of science; we’re going to be considering the consequences of such a view of humanity and the natural world; and crucially what elements we might invite back into our psychology, to perhaps set humanity back onto a path of harmony with its own species and its habitat, before it destroys itself. To do this we’re going to be exploring the possibility that the dualistic, black and white separation of ideas into binary truth or falsehood; and right or wrong, is a big part of the problem; exploring how the complexity of systems, and the nuance of their relations goes far beyond the simplified duality of human thought; and we’ll get into how when seen in that simplified binary way, the debate often degenerates into a mud slinging distraction from the underlying issues that continue to thrive un-checked and often grow worse.  Fortunately, our guest today is a master of this topic: professor of psychology, philosopher, writer, post-activist and executive director of the Emergence Network, Bayo Akomolafe. He is the author of the books, “These wilds beyond our fences”, “We will tell our own story”, and many beautiful essays which you can find on his website. A new book on his work, “Selah: A Bayo Akomolafe Reader” is out now. What we discussed: 00:00 Intro. 07:10 The importance of mythopoetry. 08:15 The story of Goddess Freya obsessively protecting her son Baldur. 11:15 The imperviousness of modernity: Artificial control, order and optimisation. 13:00 The trickster as chaos in the order, the inevitable impossibility within possibility. 12:45 Accomodation theory - counter logic is baked in to logic.  15:15 Our safety delusion and the impossibility of control. 16:15 Antiseptism - our sterilising divorce from the world.  17:20 Noticing the ‘disability’ of western psychology. 18:20 Psychology is colonial policeman, but it’s breaking down. 21:30 Therapy is not the only way to face dysfunctionality. 21:55 Trauma is a good example of unity within opposites: Old shame tag swings to become an accolade of status. 23:30 In pushing against the wall you become the wall. 26:40 A third way bursting out of the opposites: The Gods of the fault-lines. 31:00 Post activism: moving beyond the action/reaction duality. 35:00 Move from speaking truth to power, to opening up to “power with”. 40:15 White guilt will not make up for whiteness. 43:50 Whiteness is a practice we do, not a biological trait: Fred Moten. 44:10 Privilege is not a thing you have, it has you. 50:20 How post enlightenment reductionism combined with leveraging fear of the unknown forms neo-colonial psychology. 50:30 The coddling of the western mind: control, optimise and complete. 54:15 Fear of death, disconnection from ancestry, and the west’s “sickness of the soul”. 01:00:00 We need new sacralities and rituals. 01:01:45 A warning not to oversubscribe too much to our conceptual constructs and images. 01:04:40 If we can language things too easily we might be missing the point. 01:08:00 A mass disabling event: the handles of white modernity are collapsing. 01:08:45 The myth of Erysicthon, and the hunger curse. References: Bayo’s website of writings “Selah: A Báyò Akómoláfé Reader” Bayo Akomolafe, “These Wilds Beyond Our Fences”, Wendy Holloway quote: “Psychology is the policeman of capitalism”. Fred Moten idea, “Whiteness is a practice”. Malidoma Patrice Somé, “Of Water and the Spirit”.

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  4. THE TEEN BRAIN EXPLAINED - Jennifer Pfeifer #86

    5월 14일

    THE TEEN BRAIN EXPLAINED - Jennifer Pfeifer #86

    Are our preconceptions about teen behaviour true? What can we learn from the psychology and neuroscience of teen development to help support them rather than blame them? Are mobile phones and social media responsible for the jump in youth mental health issues? In this episode we have the topic of the adolescent brain to get the up to date science on. So we’re going to be testing our preconceptions about teenagers, and comparing the evidence base from research, to what we’ve come to believe through friends, family and heresay. So, we get into the development of the brain during puberty; just what behaviour hormones are and aren’t responsible for; whether the late completion of the frontal cortex, responsible for self control and reasoning, affects their ability to make important decisions; the consequences of social connection circuits developing for their sense of belonging or exclusion; the alarming rise in mental health issues among young people over the past 15 years, and whether the research supports recent claims that digital devices and social media are largely responsible. Fortunately to navigate these choppy waters we have the co-director for Center for Translational Neuroscience at the University of Oregon and the co-director of the National Scientific Council on Adolescence, Jennifer Pfeiffer. She is the author of over 150 scientific papers on the neuroscience and Psychology of adolescence, puberty, social cognition and teen mental health and self regulation. She is on a mission to use science to change our narratives about the adolescent brain which she explains in her excellent new TED X talk, “The surprising science of adolescent brains”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr8VVJRcRSg What we discuss:  00:00 Intro 06:11 Need to shift the narrative about teens. 12:10 Puberty Vs Adolescence.  16:25 Preconceptions about teen development. 17:00 Impulsive and risk taking (1st preconception). 17:50 Frontal cortex not complete before 21/22 yo. (Executive reasoning) 19:50 So called “Bad decisions” could be just from an adult point of view. 21:40 Environmental factors deeply influence teen cognitive function. 26:00 Interested only in friends, not in family relations, (2nd preconception). 30:40 Teen brains mirror adults in the home. 35:45 They love to break rules and push boundaries, (3rd preconception). 36:40 Testing limits and failing integrates learning. 39:50 Hormones make them emotionally vulnerable and erratic, (4th preconception). 46:22 Trivialise fear of fitting in, missing out, and exclusion, (5th preconception). 49:30 Fear of exclusion research. 51:10 They’re more likely to become addicted to persuasive technologies, (6th preconception). 55:10 Metanalyses show a %15 increase risk from social media. 56:25 %300 increased risk when there are parents with mental health problems. 57:25 %150-200 increased risk from bullying. 59:25 Factors in doubling of youth mental health issues. 01:03:00 Recommendations for technology and young people. 01:08:00 Advice to avoid blaming and shaming teens. References: Jennifer Pfeifer, TED X talk, “The surprising science of adolescent brains”. BJ Casey,  Kristina Cause, ‘The Teenage Brain: Self Control’. Laurence Steinberg, ‘Cognitive and affective development in adolescence’ Roy Baumeister, “Negativity Bias” CC Interview. Jonathan Haidt - “The Anxious Generation”.  National Scientific Council on Adolescence report “What science tells us adolescents need online”.

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  5. THE NEUROSCIENCE OF DMT - Andrew Gallimore PhD

    4월 30일

    THE NEUROSCIENCE OF DMT - Andrew Gallimore PhD

    How are DMT experiences neurologically different to hallucinations? How does DMT alter the world modelling of our brains? What evidence is there that the brain is receiving information on DMT rather than modelling it? In this episode we have the extraordinary neuroscience of DMT to discuss, one of the most powerful mind altering substances on the planet. We discuss the history of research into its effects; relevant neuroscience; research into the mystical experiences it induces; the statistical significance of repeated, highly specific yet unearthly places and entities reported by experiencers across eras and cultures; experiments that extend the DMT experience for longer periods of time; the metaphysical implications if any; and finally we consider the mind bending possibility that the otherworldly creatures and realities experiencers repeatedly encounter could be actual realities connecting with our brains via DMT. Fortunately to navigate these mysterious results and ideas, we have chemist, computational neuroscientist and author Andrew Gallimore as our guide. Gallimore has written 16 scientific papers and three books including, “Reality Switch Technologies: Psychedelics as Tools for the Discovery and Exploration of New Worlds”, “Alien Information Theory: Psychedelic Drug Technologies and the Cosmic Game”, and his brand new book, “Death By Astonishment, confronting the mystery of the world’s strangest drug” which we’ll be focussing on in this episode. What we discuss: 00:00 Intro. 08:30 How DMT binds to the brain. 09:50 Receptors are like a cell’s perception organs. 14:25 The cascading of electrical patterns across neurones. 16:50 The big differences between DMT and 5meoDMT. 18:50 Hierarchical structure of model processing. Wilder Penfield, 1950’s. 26:20 Primary visual cortex stimulated even with eyes closed - fMRI DMT research. 32:20 Hallucinating schizophrenics don’t have the same activity in the primary visual cortex. 34:25 Evidence that DMT users are accessing information rather than hallucinating. 42:50 DMT forms and entities are not like the terrestrial biosphere. 50:00 High DMT levels in neo-natal rats. 52:30 Sasha Shulgin - Chemist inventor of 230 psychedelics. 59:30 Mystical experiences and their effects. 01:09:00 The default mode network and self/other distinction. 01:14:00 Extended state DMT intravenously - experiments. 01:19.00 Mental health applications of DMT. 01:25:30 Is DMT a communication technology? 01:28:26 The science of ayahuasca brew recipes. 01:32:30 The possibility that non-human intelligence is the source of these experiences. 01:38:00 Common messages and themes in DMT experiences. 01:40:00 Similarities between DMT and non-human entity experiences? 01:48:00 A cosmic game - Andrew’s metaphysical model. 01:53:00 Can we test these information theoretic approaches? References: Andrew Gallimore, “Death by Astonishment, Confronting the Mystery of the World's Strangest Drug”. Andrea Alamia, Chris Timmermann et al, “DMT alters cortical travelling waves" Jordi Riba et al.- “Effects of the South American psychoactive beverage ayahuasca on regional brain electrical activity” David Lawrence - DMT Entity quantitive study, CC interview. Stephen Szára - Hungarian chemist DMT experiments David Foulkes - Children’s dreams evolve in complexity as they get older. Alexander “Sasha” Shulgin - Chemist, inventor of 230 psychedelics. Mystical Experience and improved mental health meta analysis Extended State DMTx - Noonautics Psychelic retreat centre - Eleusis

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  6. THE QUEST FOR CONSCIOUSNESS - Christof Koch PhD #84

    2025. 12. 01.

    THE QUEST FOR CONSCIOUSNESS - Christof Koch PhD #84

    What are the best competing theories of consciousness? Can we isolate where it arises and measure how complex it is? How do 5meo DMT mystical or non-separation experiences shift worldviews on consciousness? In this episode we have the very theme of the podcast’s title to delve into, the quest to understand the nature of consciousness. So we discuss mind and self, and what kind of substrate you need to allow for subjective experience; we look at the various philosophical positions on the nature of consciousness and ways to move beyond the unwinnable argument around the hard problem; we talk about extended cognition and cellular cognition; how integrated information theory attempts to quantify consciousness; the origin of meaning; psychedelics and the implications of mystical experiences of non-separation; whether AI will ever become conscious; and the implications of plant intelligence and memory. There’s only one person who can speak about such a wide range of topics this well, one of the most passionate consciousness researchers in the world for over 40 years, physicist and neuroscientist, Christof Koch. He’s Chief Scientist at the BlueDot Foundation, and has authored and co-authored over 1000 scientific papers and 6 books, including “The Quest for Consciousness”, “Confessions of a Romantic Reductionst” and “Then I am myself the World”, which we’ll be focussing on today.  What we discuss: 00:00 His migration from physics to neuroscience. 06:10 “Take no one’s word for it”. 07:50 His long-term Francis Crick collaboration. 10:00 The signatures, footprints and correlates of consciousness. 17:50 The empirical approach to the philosophical ‘Hard problem’. 21:00 Metaphysics isn’t empirical. 21:40 The issues along the spectrum from materialism to idealism. 29:00 “The great divide of being” - quotidian vs dissociated states. 33:15 Is the self an illusion? 34:15 The difference between self consciousness and subjective experience. 38:00 “Confessions of a romantic reductionist”. 41:00 Meaning is not an empirical subject. 44:30 Integrated information theory explained - existence as casual power. 52:50 The placebo effect is consciousness causally influencing the world. 01:00:00 Computational theories of consciousness. 01:03:10 The connectome: an exact brain replica in a simulation. 01:05:10 Extended cognition & the blurred boundaries between selves. 01:09:30 Michael Levin: the hierarchy from cellular to collective cognition. 01:13:50 ‘Then I am myself the world’ Book. 01:14:40 5meoDMT: His mystical & NDE experiences. 01:21:40 Lowering of the DMN in non-self like experiences like flow, meditation, day-dreaming, or psychedelics. 01:24:00 To be real, experiences must have causal power. 01:27:25 Perspective shift after psychedelics. 01:30:50 Plant consciousness, intelligence, communication & memory. References:  www.christofkoch.com Scientific Papers Christof Koch, “Then I Am Myself the World: What Consciousness Is and How to Expand It the world”. Christof Koch, “Consciousness: Confessions of a romantic reductionist.”

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  7. HIGH-DOSE INTRAVENOUS VITAMIN C TRIALS - Dr. Richard Z. Cheng PhD #83

    2025. 11. 15.

    HIGH-DOSE INTRAVENOUS VITAMIN C TRIALS - Dr. Richard Z. Cheng PhD #83

    Do the many clinical trials into high-dose vitamin C prove it can actually treat the common cold and cancer, rather than just boost the immune system? Why is there ongoing scepticism? Why are multifactorial chronic diseases so hard to study in clinical trials? What is the right dosage to get the best results from vitamin C?In this episode we have the often misunderstood topic of Vitamin C as an antioxidant to get clear on, particular the high-dose approach and particularly delivered intravenously. Despite a very clear consensus that Vitamin C is a great booster to immune function, research that shows that it helps fight the common cold or flu have been dismissed by doctors and medical researchers; as well as claims that higher doses can increase its efficacy. Other claims that Vitamin C can help fight cardio-vascular disease and even cancer have been with even greater scepticism. So what exactly can vitamin C do to assist our immune function to fight disease, and why is there so much confusion about the answer given the high quantity of clinical trials data?Fortunately today’s guest has exactly the right skill set and research knowledge to separate the science from the here-say, medical doctor and orthomolecular medicine researcher, Dr. Richard Z Cheng. Dr. Cheng has a PhD in biochemistry and molecular biology; he’s served as a doctor in the US military; he has consulted for the National Cancer Institute, and presented at the National Institute of Health (NIH); he has conducted clinical trials; He is the editor in Chief of the Orthmolecular Medicine New Service; He is also a fellow of the American Academy of Anti- Aging medicine; and has run anti-aging and regenerative medicine clinics in both China and the US for over 20 years.What we discuss:00:00 Intro05:15 Most animals produce Vitamin C in the body, but not primates.06:00 Oxidation & Redox: Giving or receiving an electron.11:00 After reducing oxidation the body recycles it back into vitamin C.14:00 Teamwork: sharing electrons between nutrients and vitamins.18:20 Conventional consensus: good for prevention but not treatment.21:00 Over 80K papers on Vit C on Pub Med!21:30 Linus Pauling Intravenous Vitamin C for cancer and heart disease.27:00 Shortening of common cold and lowering of symptoms - Harri Hemila.29:00 Low dose studies dilute the data on the efficacy of the high dose studies.31:00 Intravenous treatment allows much higher doses safely.33:00 Differences in absorption between IV and oral application.35:20 Pro-oxidant effect only possible at IV high dose.36:30 IV clinical trials.39:20 Cytokine storm cascades in acute respiratory distress.44:00 High Dose IV Vitamin C saved lives in China during Covid 19.50:00 Attacks following Richard’s NIH presentation on Vitamin C during covid.57:00 Cardio vascular disease - Vit. C research history.01:01:00 Collagen Synthesis for vascular walls & Vitamin C deficiency.01:07:20 Is the taboo for life style medicine lifting?01:09:30 Issues of gold standard RCT trials not working for multifactorial integrative interventions.01:16:00 Recommendations for preventative use of Vitamin C for listeners. References:E Cameron & Linus Pauling - 'Supplemental ascorbate in the supportive treatment of cancer: Prolongation of survival times in terminal human cancer', 1976E.T. Creagan, 'Failure of high-dose vitamin C (ascorbic acid) therapy to benefit patients with advanced cancer', 1979Harri Hemilä - over 200 meta-analyses and clinical trialsPing Chen et al. 'Pharmacokinetic Evaluation of Intravenous Vitamin C'Richard Z Cheng, ‘Can early and high intravenous dose of vitamin C prevent and treat coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?’KU Cancer Center researchers announce study of high-dose intravenous vitamin C to treat muscle-invasive bladder cancer, 2024National Cancer Institute overview of IV Vitamin C cancer research.

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  8. WILL AI ROBOTS BE SENTIENT & THE QUANTUM FOUNDATIONS OF CONSCIOUSNESS - Suzanne Gildert PhD #82

    2025. 11. 01.

    WILL AI ROBOTS BE SENTIENT & THE QUANTUM FOUNDATIONS OF CONSCIOUSNESS - Suzanne Gildert PhD #82

    Will artificial intelligence robots have subjective experience? What are the ethical and safety implications of such entities? Which quantum physics theory can accommodate consciousness? In this episode we have the extraordinary possibility of subjective experience and feelings in artificial intelligence robotic systems to think about. So we look at experiments to try and prove if it’s even possible; the quantum building blocks from which both living and artificial systems are made up; the ethical and safety implications of advanced intelligence instantiated in robots, and we get into the controversial search for a quantum physics theory that can accommodate consciousness. Fortunately, my guest today is not only one of the first pioneering scientists to really devote themselves to the creation of sentient human-similar robot minds and bodies, but is also an experimental physicist working with quantum computing systems. She is of course the quantum engineer, consciousness researcher and AI computer scientist Suzanne Gildert. She has written over 80 scientific papers, founded several successful AI companies and has dozens of US patents for her inventions.  What we discuss: 00:00 Intro. 04:25 Her move to AI & robotics from quantum computing. 06:45 Something missing from materialism. 11:00 The what, how and why of consciousness. 12:20 Remembering quantum fields are the base level of reality. 15:50 Quantum Biology - John Joe McFadden. 18:20 ‘Protecting’ quantum coherence environments. 20:00 The Penrose-Hameroff microtubules quantum consciousness theory. 24:40 The risks of the “two mysteries” argument. 30:10 Looking for subjective experience in AI robots. 33:55 “Reward function”, purpose led, agential behaviour doesn’t emerge naturally in AI. 36:25 Limitations to building sentient AI robots. 39:25 Iain McGilchrist’s left-right hemisphere interpretation of split brain data. 41:40 How similar are AI minds to human ones? 43:40 Will Ai become conscious one day? 44:40 The generalisation problem. 47:50 The anthropomorphism problem. 50:05 Ethical implications - Regulations, rights and protections. 53:20 Survival instinct research in AI. 57:20 Brain activity mapping to subjective experience, AI decoder research. 50:20 Biological robots: Different emergent possibilities? 01:01:50 Cellular material re-purposing itself spontaneously. 01:04:10 Could the biosphere be a technology? 01:07:40 Quantum Conscious Agency Theory. 01:14:05 Quantum Annealing.  01:21:03 Can you test for panpsychism? 01:25:10 Buddhism: the dissociated agent approach. References: www.SuzanneGildert.com Quantum Conscious Agent theory presentation - Suzanne Gildert. Jeff Hawkins, Sandra Blakeslee, “On Intelligence“. John Joe Mcfadden, CC Quantum Biology episode Roger Penrose, Orch OR (Orchestrated objective reduction) theory. Erwin Shrodinger, “What is Life?”. ‘In Tests, Open AI’s New Model Lied and Schemed to Avoid Being Shut Down’ article ‘Brain activity decoder can reveal stories in people’s minds’ article Jerry Tang et al. ‘Semantic reconstruction of continuous language from non-invasive brain recordings’ paper Tristan Harris & Aza Raskin, “The AI Dilemma” presentation, March 2023

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The curious person’s guide to all things mind! Have you ever wondered how it is that your thoughts and feelings relate to the grey matter in your head? How space and time came to be out of nothing? How what life means to us influences our day-to-day struggles with mental health? In conversation with experts in physics, psychology, neuroscience and philosophy, Chasing Consciousness will take you to the very fringes of reality and share with you the groundbreaking discoveries that are dramatically changing the way we relate to the world, the future, and our own minds.

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