Circle For Original Thinking

Glenn Aparicio Parry

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  1. APR 16

    Love and the Wholeness of Nature with Thomas Rain Crowe and Wahinkpe Topa (Four Arrows)

    Love can never be fully defined, but it opens the heart and evokes wholeness, as does the natural world, which is radically diverse.  Today, we are blessed to have with us two people  who not only possess strong intellects, but also have real world experience in nature. Their track record of doing good works in the world reveals their good heart. I invited these gentlemen in part because I have just released a book on Original Love: The Timeless Source of Wholeness, and I am excited to engage in dialogue with them on the subject of Love and the Wholeness of Nature.     Thomas Rain Crowe is the author of many books, most recently New Natives: Becoming Indigenous in a Time of Crisis and Transition, and most famously, his award-winning Zoro’s Field, a partial tribute to Henry David Thoreau, documenting Rain Crowe’s own retreat into the Appalachian woods.  An internationally recognized author, editor, and translator of more than thirty books, he became known first for being a member of the San Francisco Beat Generation of poets and creative folks living out there in the 1970s before returning to his native western North Carolina community and founding New Native Press. He has belonged to and worked with many environmental organizations. He is also a translator of some of the more renowned Sufi mystical poets, such as Hafiz and Kabir. Although not usually in his bios, I know he also resonates with the work of Meher Baba, another mystic explorer of love.  Don Trent Jacobs (also known as Wahinkpe Topa, or Four Arrows, is a professor of educational leadership at Fielding Graduate, is a made relative of the Oglala Lakota and  member of the Medicine Horse Tiospaye. He is a pipe carrier, having fulfilled his Sun Dance vows while living on the Pine Ridge reservation and serving as director of education at Oglala Lakota College. Author of many books, including Restoring the Kinship Worldview and Teaching Virtues, both of which I have read, and numerous scholarly articles covering diverse topics in decolonization, counterhegemonic democracy, and Indigeneity. He has been endorsed by people like Gregory Cajete, Daniel Wildcat, Vandana Shiva, Bill McKibben. Thom Hartmann, and others, and is the recipient of a Martin Springer Institute Moral Courage Award for his activism on behalf of American Indians.  Glenn Aparicio Parry's latest book Original Love was published on February 13, 2026 and is available wherever books or ebooks are sold.

    1h 6m
  2. APR 2

    The Imperative of Awakening to Indigenous and Feminine Wisdom with Anne Baring and James O’Dea

    “Life and love are inseparable from each other,” said Meher Baba. Love, humanity, nature, and consciousness have co-evolved together.  Long ago, humanity was one with love, one with all of creation, then we separated, and ever since, we have been trying to merge with the Beloved. We developed rituals and ceremonies that brought us back into wholeness, but when these magical ceremonies decreased in power, we developed stories to foster our connection. The era of great myths began in goddess cultures, where the Divine feminine Face of God was most prominent. The Great Goddess was comfortable in all the realms: in the heavens, on Earth, and in the dark mysteries of the underworld. But with the rise of gods and heroes around the middle of the Bronze age, the masculine principle became elevated, and the feminine became suppressed and marginalized. While this has resulted in some important scientific innovation, it has also caused imbalances both to our world soul (Anima Mundi) and to the individual psyches of humanity. “What we are experiencing is tantamount to a shamanic dismemberment. We need to dismember in order to remember; we need to put ourselves back together again in ways that are healthy and whole. We are compelled to reconstruct the whole out of what has been torn apart; we are being called to dig deeper into our psyche. When we go deep, we find Indigenous and feminine wisdom—and original love— buried in the depths of our unconscious.”  Today, we will freely discuss how we can recover and redeem the perennial wisdom of Original love, as well the wisdom of Indigenous peoples and the Divine feminine. We will also welcome whatever else wants to come forward into this sacred dialogue with our esteemed guests Anne Baring and James O’Dea. Anne Baring, who I was first introduced to by some of my most treasured women friends, has for the past half century been doing her utmost to recover and redeem the Feminine Face of God, initially inspired by a powerful dream she had (which she can share if she wishes today). A Jungian analyst, Anne is the author or co-author of nine books, including The Myth of the Goddess (with Jules Cashford), The Birds Who Flew Beyond Time (with Andrew Harvey) , The Divine Feminine (with Seilla Elworhty, and more recently The Dream of The Cosmos: A Quest for the Soul, and Divine Wisdom and the Holy Spirit: The Forgotten Feminine Face of God.      James O’Dea, who is the first person I gave my newly completed draft of a manuscript for Original Love to, is, similar to Anne, a long-term advocate for the awakening of soul, former president of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, the director of the Washington office of Amnesty International and the president of the Seva Foundation, and also the author of several important books, including Cultivating Peace, The Conscious Activist: Where Activism meets Mysticism, Soul Awakening Practice, and more recently some books with visionary artist Marika Popovits. Glenn Aparicio Parry's latest book Original Love was published on February 13, 2026 and is available wherever books or ebooks are sold.

    1h 7m
  3. 07/09/2025

    The New Paradigm in Politics with Alexander Laszlo and Chantal Garneau

    Is a Politics of Higher Consciousness, Wholeness, and Love Possible?  At the moment, very few are anticipating the advent of a higher political consciousness. How can they be? The US has just joined Russia, North Korea, and Belarus in refusing to condemn aggression on Ukraine, or even to admit it occurred at all. Many Americans and former allies are increasingly fearful that the United States is itself becoming an authoritarian state, joining a wave of authoritarianism sweeping the globe. Such as fear is compellingly real. At the same time, America’s sacred intent of unity in diversity, originally inspired by Native America and embodied in the motto E Pluribus Unum, is still attainable. Which way will the United States go? Will it completely devolve into a totalitarian regime, putting the entire world at risk, or will it return to its original sacred purpose of inclusivity and wholeness, even love?    To better understand the future, we must examine our past assumptions. It is these unexamined, tacit assumptions that have created our present day reality, often preventing us from realizing our highest aspirations. In this podcast, we will unearth the limits of the mainstream scientific paradigm that sees humanity as separate from nature, and instead reimagine a world that is interconnected, whole, and complete. Life does not have to be seen as a win/lose competition where only the fittest survive, vying for control of limited resources. There is a better and more accurate way to practice politics: as consciousness, collaboration, unity in diversity, even love. Join us on the next episode of the Circle for Original Thinking podcast.    Chantal Garneau lives within the treaty lands and territory of the Mississaugas of the Credit First Nation and the Credit River watershed, in Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. As a dedicated Municipal Councillor, environmental advocate, and meditation artist, she weaves together community, ecology, and mindfulness. Chantal’s belief in the integrity of complex systems and the power of diversity is the heartbeat of her work. Her mission to restore connections to self, community, and the web of life inspires trust, collaboration, and a shared vision for a world where every relationship is nurtured with care and intention. Alexander Laszlo resides in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and works as President of the Board of Directors of the Bertalanffy Center for the Study of Systems Science, Director of Research at the Laszlo Institute of New Paradigm Research, and Professor of Human and Organizational Development at Fielding Graduate University. Alexander’s current research interests include the embodied aspects of science and spirituality as a living field of consciousness; empathy-based education; the relationship between sustainability and thrivability; systemic innovation for planetary flourishing; and syntony as an organizing force in societal evolution. Alexander holds an interdisciplinary PhD in Science and Technology Policy and an MA in History and Sociology of Science from the University of Pennsylvania. He holds a BA in Political Science from Haverford College.

    1h 9m
  4. 01/02/2025

    Restoring the Kinship Worldview with Four Arrows and Darcia Narvaez

    There are two worldviews of prominence today. The oldest and wisest one our guests call kincentricity, following the late dear ancestor Dennis Martinez, who coined the term. Kincentricity defines our humanity through our inextricable connections with all there is. The second and newest worldview, dominant in the past five or six hundred years, we might call egocentricity, a view that places humanity as separate and transcendent from nature.  In the first view, nature is seen as a place of blessing and wholeness, the world is alive and composed of allies and spiritual energies; in the second, nature has been “itted to death,” reduced to a mass of inert elements that are not accorded sentience in themselves. Certain animals and plants may be begrudgingly considered alive, but of secondary importance; their existence is only important in how they or “it” can be utilized for human consumption.  Forests are reduced to lumber, rivers to hydroelectric power, and so forth. The dominant worldview considers everything on earth to be for the benefit of humankind. But that has not worked out too well, because humans are nature; we are made up of the same elements as everything else. Our guests Wahinkpe Topa or Four Arrows, and Darcia Narvaez, not only recognize this; they  have published a terrific book that brings together important leaders in Indigenous communities, shares their essays, and then engages in a robust dialogue regarding the insights and implications of the ideas. The book is called Restoring the Kinship Worldview, and we are blessed to have the authors – Wahinkkpe Topa (Four Arrows) and Darcia Narvaez - here today to continue the dialogue.   Four Arrows (also known as Wahinkpe Topa) is author of 24 books, including Restoring the Kinship Worldview, Primal Awareness, Teaching Virtues,  and numerous chapters, articles, peer-reviewed papers, and keynotes. He is also the subject of a book by R.M. Fisher entitled Fearless Engagement of Four Arrows: A True Story of an Indigenous Based Social Transformer. Four Arrows is internationally known for his work in cognitive anthropology ( worldview studies), education, critical theory, and wellness. Former Director of Education at Oglala Lakota College, and has been selected as one of the 35 visionaries in education who tell their stories for the book Turning Points.    Darcia Narvaez Professor Emerita of psychology at Univ of Notre Dame, Darcia investigates moral development and human flourishing from an interdisciplinary (transdisciplinary) perspective,  integrating anthropology, neuroscience, and clinical, developmental and educational sciences. She is author of more than twenty books, including Restoring the Kinship Worldview, Indigenous Sustainable Wisdom: First Nation Know How for Global Flourishing, and Neurobiology and the Development of Human Morality: Evolution, Culture and Wisdom, which won the 2015 William James Award from APA and the Expanded Reason Award. https://www.amazon.com/Restoring-Kinship-Worldview-Indigenous-Rebalancing/dp/1623176425

    1h 13m
  5. 09/26/2024

    Freedom and Equality with Victor Yamada and Nikki Nojima Louis

    Freedom and Equality: What Does it Mean to Be an American? The United States has long held a curious and ambivalent relationship with freedom. The American founding fathers learned much about freedom and equality from Native Americans, who lived in truly egalitarian societies, but later confined the original Americans to reservations. The founding ideals of the United States – liberty, equality, and natural rights, came largely from Native America. It was Chief Canasatego, the Onondaga chief of the great Iroquois (Haudenosaunee) Confederacy, who originally gave the colonists the idea to unite, beseeching them to “Be like the Haudenosaunee, to never fall out with one another,” to be stronger together than apart. Our national motto comes from the Latin E Pluribus Unum (“From the many, one”) but we have never fully lived in accord with that slogan.    The political nation began with a beautiful document, The Declaration of Independence, which declared “All men are created equal,” but the writer of that document, Thomas Jefferson, owned 600 slaves, and by then slavery had already been practiced in the New World for more than 150 years. The young nation had Dutch, English, French, Spanish, German and other influences, and was dependent upon immigration to survive and thrive. Eventually, the whole world started to come to America, including immigrants from Asia, fueled by the West Coast Gold Rush of the mid-19th century. Then, came the backlash from those already here.    In 1882, President Arthur signed the Chinese Exclusion Act into law, the first of many anti-Asian discrimination bills, followed by the Gentleman’s Agreement of 1908, which limited Japanese immigration to the wives, children, and relatives of residents already living within the United States. It was not until 1952 that Japanese Americans could become US citizens, even as women and Native Americans achieved suffrage in 1920 and 1924, respectively.    The most egregious action ever taken by the US government against Japanese Americans occurred during WWII.  As many are aware, it was February of 1942 when Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066, followed by subsequent orders that enforced the removal of all Japanese Americans from the West Coast to “relocation camps”.  What is lesser known is that the Department of Justice initiated pickup of 'enemy aliens' of Japanese descent on December 7, 1941, for eventual confinement in 4 government prison sites in New Mexico. The full consequences and ramifications of this sordid chapter of American history are still not openly discussed in mainstream circles. In New Mexico and elsewhere, our guests today have been educating the general public about what occurred and its relevance to today’s outreach toward liberty and justice for all. We will discuss all this and more, on this edition of Circle for Original Thinking entitled "Freedom and Equality: What Does it Mean to Be an American?" Nikki Nojima Louis (originally Shirley Sadayo Nojima) is a second-generation (Nisei) Japanese American and childhood survivor of Camp Minidoka, Idaho. Her fourth birthday was on December 7, 1941, the day her father was taken by the FBI in Seattle, Washington, and held in DOJ camps in Lordsburg and Santa Fe from 1942-46.    Nikki grew up in Chicago, performed as a teenage dancer, was active in multicultural theater in the 1980s and 1990s as a writer, performer, and producer of projects on peace-and-justice and women’s themes. In 1985, she wrote her first oral history play, Breaking the Silence, to benefit the civil liberties trial of Gordon Hirabayashi. It continues to be performed. As a theatre artist, Nikki has received commissions from many sources, including the Smithsonian Museum, Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom; NW Asian American Theatre, and Seattle Group Theatre, where she served as education director of its National Multicultural Playwrights Festival.    In 2002, at age 65, Nikki entered a Ph.D. program at Florida State University. Graduating at age 70, she traveled west for a three-month residency at the Santa Fe Art Institute and a teaching job at the University of New Mexico. Since 2014, Nikki has created living history programs on the Japanese American experience for the New Mexico Japanese American Citizens League (JACL). Her readers theater group, JACL Players, often collaborate with project CLOE (Confinement in the Land of Enchantment), which includes a traveling exhibit and community forums on New Mexico’s WWII Japanese American prison camps. Nikki has co-produced an award-winning documentary, Community in Conflict: The Santa Fe Internment Camp Marker, with Bay Area director Claudia Katayanagi.  Victor Masaru Yamada is Current Director of Confinement in Land of Enchantment project, about Japanese Americans confined in internment camps in New Mexico during WWII. Became director of the project during Phase III, setting up traveling exhibits promoting awareness of the history. Involved in giving presentations to international, national, state & local organizations. (Phases I / II planning & installation of historic markers, preparation of outreach publication, and development of website).      His family has 19th century roots in Hiroshima, Japan – His maternal grandparents moved to Seattle area in 1906 and his father moved to Seattle in 1919.  His parents became US citizens in 1954. Before then, his parents and siblings (three brothers and a sister) moved from Washington to eastern Oregon as part of government’s ‘voluntary evacuation’ program March 1942. Later in 1942, several of his family members were moved to the Minidoka Internment Camp. One of my uncles joined Army 442nd Unit and fought in European campaigns.

    1h 12m
  6. 08/27/2024

    Becoming Fully Human: The Timeless Art of Living and Loving with Thomas Rain Crowe and Marc Thibault

    “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times; it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair…"   It is striking how much these immortal words, written by Charles Dickens in the mid-19th century at the height of the Industrial Revolution, still apply today. We live in a similarly paradoxical era, only a more complex one. It was during Dickens’ time that we began down the unstainable path of prioritizing industry over ecological health, mainly because we were captivated by the hope of progress, or resigned to its inevitability. These conditions really haven’t changed. What is different is the accelerated pace of change. Most of the technological comforts we take for granted occurred within the past one hundred years, including electricity, which almost nobody had access to one hundred years ago. So how do we best live and love in modern times? Perhaps the key is to escape the boundaries of time. Both men on this program have stepped outside the conventions of their day. They have left behind modern technological conveniences and chosen to directly encounter the natural world. Thomas Rain Crowe, following the tracks of Thoreau, retreated to his own cabin in the woods, where he lived without electricity and running water for four years. Marc Thibault has ventured deep into the Amazon rainforest on many occasions. He just came back a couple of days ago. What have these men learned about life while indigenizing themselves to the land? Can we remember what it is to be fully human and learn to live and love in the broadest possible sense? What do kinship systems of nature teach us about love? Can modern society learn to go beyond insular love between two humans and become one with the Beloved, one with the Great Mystery of life we are all so privileged to experience. ABOUT OUR GUESTS:Thomas Rain Crowe is an internationally published author, editor, and translator of more than thirty books, including the multi-award winning memoir Zoro’s Field: My Life in the Appalachian Woods (2005). He is also a publisher himself (New Native Press) which publishes works of environmental activism and cultural preservation. He was born and raised in Cullowhee, NC. in the Appalachian mountain region of western North Carolina, and this laid the foundation for his literary endeavors and also shaped his profound connection to his land based cultural heritage. During the 1970s he lived abroad in France and then returned to the US, moving to San Francisco, where he became editor of Beatitude (Be-at-a-tood) magazine and press in San Francisco, which made him one of the “Baby Beat” generation. From 1979-1982, he moved back to the woods of western North Carolina to live in the aforementioned cabin where he composed Zoro’s Field. His literary repertoire includes poetry collections, essays, and books that delve into themes encompassing nature, spirituality, social issues, and the human condition. Beyond his original poetry, Crowe became renowned for his skillful translations of contemporary and historical European, Sufi, and Hindu poets, including his most recent publication, a masterful translation of select Kabir poems entitled Painting from the Palette of Love, which I might add, I just devoured over the last two days.    For a quarter century Marc Thibault has been involved in the social and environmental impact sphere as an entrepreneur, system thinkers and policy influencer covering a wide span of industries and issues developing novel solutions requiring human-centered design while integrating environmental and social concerns. His spent 10 years pioneering model-driven decision support systems until he had his first life-changing epiphany, when he realized how much modern humans, especially children, were exposed to toxic chemicals. Being a father of two boys, he devoted the next 15 years to solving environmental health issues working across the private, public and non-profit sectors and has also worked with hybrid B corps to provide plant based alternatives to toxic chemicals and better protect our children – And then he had his second life changing experience in 2012 when he visited the Ecuadorian Amazon rainforest which led him to starting Nativien (an Indigenous-centered hybrid organization using the universal language of medicinal plants). He is currently active in supporting Indigenous Peoples to create a network of Living Pharmacies throughout the Amazon Rainforest, with three essential goals: 1) bring about a biocultural economy, 2) strengthen Indigenous Traditional Knowledge systems, and 3) change the way moderns relate to the natural world and traditional Indigenous communities.

    1h 10m
  7. 01/25/2024

    Restoring Health to our Planet with Joe Brewer and Bill Pfeiffer (Sky Otter)

    A community of Earth System scientists at the Stockholm Resilience Centre asked a powerful question: How do we define a safe operating space for humanity with all that is currently known about the Earth’s various systems? They determined that there are there are nine critical thresholds that together define a safe operating space for humanity: biosphere integrity, climate change, land-system change, freshwater use, biogeochemical flows of nitrogen and phosphorus, ocean acidification, atmospheric aerosol loading, stratospheric ozone depletion, and one other catch-all category for unimagined risks. If we cross any one of these thresholds, it could be Game Over for humanity. And by some estimates, we have already crossed four of them.    Enter Joe Brewer. He has written a book called The Design Pathway for Regenerating Earth that addresses the intentional application of knowledge and tools to create solutions for regenerating living systems, feasible methods for getting all nine boundary dynamics back within acceptable limits. Joe does admit this is a gargantuan task and one that will require working through inner grief and trauma while experiencing the already occurring effects of planetary collapse.    Enter Bill Pfeiffer (Sky Otter), a dear friend, who as much as anyone I know, is doing something about changing our inner attitude about how to engage with the Earth, to engage with wildness, to live an ecstatic life in harmony and balance with all there is. His method for enacting change has been to design Wild Earth Intensives that bring people into sacred community and provide a microcosm for a future sustainable society. I wanted to bring these two guests together to represent both the outer and inner solutions for the seemingly intractable ecological challenges we now face. Join us as we explore "Restoring Health to Our Planet" on the Circle for Original Thinking podcast.

    49 min

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