Common Sense Ohio

Common Sense Ohio
Common Sense Ohio

We're taking a common sense approach to the news events in Ohio. And why Ohio? Well, because it's right from the middle. It's the heart of it all. It's the place where you can test almost all Americanized theories. It's a jumping-off point to having greater discussions about politics and news. And what's going on not only in the state of Ohio, but the country --and maybe even the rest of the world. Your Common Sense hosts are: Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. Brett Johnson is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio.

  1. 2D AGO

    Playing Hookie with KBJ, Easy Come Easy Go, and Who's Your Daddy?

    We dive into some of the hottest issues facing Ohio and the nation. We kick things off with a lively discussion about the U.S. Supreme Court’s recent “playing hooky” and what that means for Trump and parental rights in education—touching on a controversial Maryland case involving DEI-related curriculum opt-outs. We look at Ohio-specific stories, including Governor DeWine’s latest mental health initiative for youth, and the ongoing debate: Who really calls the shots in Ohio—the governor, or the parents and communities? The duo reflects on personal values, parenting challenges, and how government intervention is shaping today’s family life. To round things out, we shine a spotlight on the heated politics of immigration and parolees, exploring how current legal battles and executive actions could have major implications for Ohioans and the country at large. As always, expect sharp common sense, a dash of humor, and plenty of passionate takes on what matters most to Ohio. Harper CPA Plus info@commonsenseohioshow.com Common Sense Moments 00:00 Pope's Providential Passing 08:50 Parents' Opt-Out Rights Case 10:48 Parents Challenge School's Sexual Content 19:52 "Debate on Normalizing Gay Marriage" 25:36 Ohio Expands Youth Mobile Response 26:22 Youth Support Service Concerns 35:57 "Biden's Mass Parole Controversy" 36:59 Deportation Hearings Debate 45:01 "The Perils of Undermining Law" 47:37 "Nation's Response to Unlawful Immigration" 56:38 Federal Worker Double-Dipping Bill 59:42 "Criminal Justice System Flaws" Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/ Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients. Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors. Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

    1h 5m
  2. APR 16

    Letitia James Fraud, Chillicothe Paper Mill Closing, and Yost Pharma War

    We hope you're well and enjoying the spring sunshine! Here's a quick rundown of what Norm and Brett covered this week: Letitia James Fraud Allegations: The tables have turned as New York's Attorney General Letitia James finds herself under scrutiny. After prosecuting Trump, she's now facing accusations from the Federal Home Loan Administration regarding her own mortgage irregularities. Is it a case of "turnabout is fair play"? Dive into the details as Norm and Brett unpack this unfolding story.Chillicothe Paper Mill Closure: It's a tough time for the folks in Chillicothe as the historic paper mill announces its closure, affecting 800 jobs. Norm voices his concerns about the state’s response and the implications for local communities. What should Ohio's leaders be doing to save these essential jobs?Yost in Pharma War: Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost takes a bold stance against Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs), joining forces with other state AGs to advocate for legislative changes. Could this lead to more affordable pharmaceuticals for Ohioans? Norm and Brett explore this complex issue.Market Madness: The unpredictable nature of Wall Street traders has our hosts questioning the professionals at play. With markets recently taking a rollercoaster ride, Brett and Norm discuss what this means for everyday investors and the economy.Spotlight on Local and National Headlines: The episode also dives into other intriguing topics like road rage incidents, outrageous legal stories, and the latest economic news that's affecting us all. As always, a huge thank you Harper CPA Plus for sponsoring this insightful episode. They are the go-to experts for simplifying taxes and empowering entrepreneurs. Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH. info@commonsenseohioshow.com Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients. Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors. Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard. Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/

    1h 6m
  3. APR 11

    Ohio Budget Bill, Browns, and Braden's Law

    Exciting updates from the latest episode of Common Sense Ohio! Dive into the complexities of Ohio's budget bill, intriguing sports funding policies, and significant changes in education laws. Here's what you missed: Budget & Economy: The volatility in the stock market reflects the broader economic landscape, highlighting the impact of U.S.-China trade relations and how only a small percentage of Americans directly engage with stock investments. Sports Funding Revolution: Innovative legislation suggests tying public funding for sports stadiums to team performance, potentially changing the game for taxpayer-funded ventures. Education Dynamics: The expansion of school choice vouchers in Ohio signifies a shift in educational funding, with more support for diverse schooling options outside the traditional public system. Harper CPA Plus 00:00 Stock Market vs. Global Economy 09:49 Ohio Budget: Real Estate Tax Concerns 15:32 Fraud Uncovered in Cabinet Meeting 18:38 Congress Urged for NIL Regulation 25:57 Procter & Gamble's Inventory Tax Challenge 27:21 Ohio Eliminates Inventory Tax Due to Kentucky 34:36 Cleveland Bond & Stadium Costs 39:46 "Ohio Budget Boosts School Vouchers" 45:22 Ohio's Off-Campus Education Law Challenge 53:03 Equal Opportunity for All Careers 55:19 Parental Consent and School Disclosure 01:02:24 Principal Blocks Police Response to Bomb Threat 01:04:36 Pro-Tariff Stance on China Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients. Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors. Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard. Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH. info@commonsenseohioshow.com Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/

    1h 11m
  4. APR 4

    Tariffs, Ohio's Beef with DOGE and Little Judges, Big Country

    We tackle a series of discussions shaping Ohio's political and economic landscape. We talk about President Trump's controversial tariffs and how they aim to reshape half a century of U.S. economic policy, with concerns about the impact on Ohio's economy. We also discuss Intel's broken contract with Ohio, raising questions about the state's investment and future job opportunities. We look at Ohio's beef with DOGE, a rise in sales tax, and the immense power held by federal judges. Join us as we navigate these pressing issues, bringing common sense back to the conversation. Common Sense Moments 00:00 "Martin Luther King Assassination Day" 08:13 Dependence on China: Security Risk 14:39 "Strategy Over Ideals Concerns" 18:16 Senate Bill Concerns on Tariffs 25:21 Trump's Personality Undermines Agenda 30:29 Intel-Related Hazards and Environmental Concerns 34:20 Tax Incentives for Corporate Attraction 36:22 Federal Funding Cuts Impact Services 43:28 Central Ohio Transit Tax Increase 50:45 Judicial Overreach and Forum Shopping 52:32 "Debating Ohio's Court of Claims" 59:10 "Distracted Driving Incident Warning" Harper CPA Plus Common Sense Takeaways Tariff Talk [00:00:00 - 00:17:43] We talk about the complex world of tariffs, discussing their economic implications and the potential reshoring of American industry. Is the bombastic approach to tariffs a double-edged sword? We raise essential points about accountability and long-term vision in trade negotiations. 2. Intel's Contract Fiasco [00:17:44 - 00:36:22] With Intel breaking its commitment to the OhioOne project in Johnstown, OH, we dissect the intricate details of a contract that leaves Ohio taxpayers in a lurch. From traffic woes to economic uncertainty, this segment explores the real-life impacts of corporate decisions on local communities. 3. Tales of the Courts [00:36:23 - 00:55:15] Steve brings his legal expertise to address the power and checks of federal judges. Is it time for a judicial reform to curb forum shopping and prevent single judges from influencing national policies? The conversation shifts to potential solutions that could bring more balance and fairness to federal court proceedings. 4. A Valediction for Val Kilmer [00:55:16 - 01:05:16] In our heartfelt tribute, we remember the immense talent of Val Kilmer, whose roles have left an indelible mark on Hollywood. Whether you knew him as the Iceman or Doc Holiday, his legacy will undoubtedly remain cherished. info@commonsenseohioshow.com Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/ Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients. Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors. Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small...

    1h 6m
  5. MAR 28

    Vivek Ramaswamy and School Choice in Ohio: Discussing Local Impact and Educational Equity

    Here's what we cover this week! School Vouchers and Civil Rights: Highlighting the introduction of school choice in Ohio, which is aimed at bringing educational opportunities to students in rural and poorer areas. This initiative is considered a civil rights issue, as it offers more portability for students to choose their schools.Automotive Foreign Tariffs: The impact of a newly announced 25% tariff on foreign-manufactured cars. This is particularly informative for understanding how it might affect domestic manufacturing and potential job creation in the U.S.Ohio’s Educational Debate: A nuanced discussion on Senate Bill One in Ohio, which targets DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) in colleges, sparking debates on academic freedom and diversity. Harper CPA Plus 🔍 Key Takeaways: Educational Freedom: School vouchers in Ohio seek to level the playing field, offering students in under-resourced areas more choices for quality education.Economic Impact: The car tariff showcases a significant policy shift aimed at bolstering U.S.-based manufacturing and could have widespread effects on the automotive industry.Policy and Diversity: Senate Bill One’s approach to DEI in education raises important questions about maintaining diversity while ensuring open academic discourse. Thanks to our sponsor Harper & Company CPA for supporting insightful discussions like this! If you're an entrepreneur or business owner looking for top-notch financial guidance, don't forget to check out harpercpaplus.com! 00:00 Ohio Politics & Policies Overview 07:57 Windmills: Environmental and Operational Issues 14:58 Government Survey Spending Critique 19:07 Fraud in Social Security Calls 23:11 Musk Criticizes Government Spending Waste 27:12 Tariff on Foreign Car Imports 34:24 ClearView: Social Media Image Identification 37:43 Public Photos as Police Resource 43:03 Ohio Senate Bill Targets DEI 52:18 Rural School Choice Dilemma 54:37 Public vs Private School Choices 01:01:43 Coach Placed on Leave Amid Charges 01:08:00 Intel Plant Delayed Until 2030 01:11:17 "Revive Classic Coke Jingle" 01:14:54 Tooth Found in Diner's Food Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH. info@commonsenseohioshow.com Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients. Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors. Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/

    1h 17m
  6. MAR 21

    Eliminating Income Taxes In Ohio: The good, the bad, and the ugly

    On today's show, we're discussing a hot topic sparking debates across the state and beyond: eliminating income taxes. We'll be exploring the advantages, potential pitfalls, and unintended consequences of this bold move. Hosts Steve Palmer and Brett Johnson are joined by Glenn Harper from Harper Plus Accounting to unpack the complexities. We look into how states like Florida and Texas manage to thrive without state income taxes, the role of tourism and natural resources, and the economic dynamics at play. There's also a lively discussion on education systems, the administrative state's impact on taxation, and even a walk down history lane with the infamous Scopes Monkey Trial. It's a rich mix of economics, politics, and common sense that promises to be engaging and thought-provoking. Common Sense Moments 00:00 Establishment Clause and Education Case 07:48 Executive vs. Congressional Funding Authority 11:04 "Power and Its Ironic Paradox" 18:31 "Education: Government vs. Parental Responsibility" 22:03 Decentralized Education Debate 31:03 Property and Wealth-Based Taxes 36:43 Streamline Complex Tax Code 37:59 Simplifying Complex Tax Regulations 42:49 Retiree Tax Savings by Relocating 49:30 "Imagining Healthcare Without Insurance" 56:15 Ohio Tax Cuts and Economic Growth 01:01:47 Nationwide Injunctions and Forum Shopping 01:04:51 Judicial Enforcement and Presidential Compliance Harper CPA Plus Here are three key takeaways: Balancing Act of Tax Elimination: While eliminating state income tax sounds appealing, it's crucial to explore where the revenue will come from. Whether through increased sales, property taxes, or cutting government spending, the shift requires a strategic approach to maintain the state's financial health.Educational System Concerns: The episode highlighted the impact of governmental policies on education. There's a pressing need to empower local educators and reduce over-regulation, allowing for more tailored teaching methods that cater to diverse learning styles.Federal and State Government Dynamics: The discussion touched on the complexities of federal and state powers, especially regarding administrative control and judicial interventions. Understanding these dynamics is vital for navigating future policy changes effectively. Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH. info@commonsenseohioshow.com Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients. Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors. Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard....

    1h 13m
  7. MAR 14

    Unpacking Trump's Tariff Strategy: Ohio's Role in Global Economics

    Hey there, Common Sense Ohio listeners! This week's episode was a rollercoaster of interesting topics. Kicking things off, we threw it way back to the first-ever jury verdict broadcast on TV. Yep, we're talking about Jack Ruby—did you know his real name was Jacob Rubinstein? But the big juicy part of the episode was all about—drum roll, please—Trump's tariffs. Steve wasn't fully on board with Trump's playbook on this one. He had some thoughts about the back-and-forth with our neighbors like Canada, and what that might mean for the future. Norm, though, is convinced it's all part of a master plan to revive U.S. manufacturing. Brett chimed in with a head nod to the challenges business owners face as they try to navigate these choppy waters. And hey, with Saint Patrick's Day right around the corner, Steve couldn't resist dropping some nuggets of wisdom for those planning to hit the town. Let's just say, make sure you have a plan to get home that doesn't involve driving yourself after indulging in your "courage juice." We didn’t stop there, though. The chat naturally flowed into some talk about today’s turning tides in culture. There’s a lot out there that's feeling a bit like a fantasy world, and we couldn’t help but wonder how this affects societal norms. It all tied back to politics and the media, where we think sometimes things get a bit blown out of proportion. Three key takeaways: Economic Strategies and Tariffs: We delved into the impacts of tariffs on both local businesses and international trade relations. It's crucial to understand the broader goals behind these policies and how they may affect economic stability.Cultural Dynamics and Social Narratives: The episode explored the influence of cultural trends and the role of media in shaping societal norms. It's intriguing to see how these narratives can affect our perceptions and the importance of contextual understanding.Government Policies and Personal Responsibility: We also debated the implications of government intervention in personal health and wellness. The conversation highlighted the balance between state-driven initiatives and individual accountability. A Big Thanks to our sponsor, Harper Plus Accounting. They provide more than just basic transactions, offering expert business consultation as well. They go beyond the basics, providing comprehensive advice on saving, planning, and optimizing taxes. Common Sense Moments 05:41 Gillibrand's Megafit Over Shutdown 10:55 NAFTA Withdrawal and Market Reactions 19:22 Taxed Fertilizer Disrupts Business Planning 23:33 Ukraine Sanctions and Political Chaos 27:10 Avoid US Troops in Ukraine 34:13 Rise of Unreal Culture 40:45 Democrats' Civil Rights Program Decline 45:09 Governor's Contradictory Child Wellness Proposal 48:25 Vaccine Persuasion Misstep 54:11 Ohio Speeding Penalties Increase 58:51 "Sex Offender Registry Negotiations" 01:05:35 "Spring Hopefulness" Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH. info@commonsenseohioshow.com Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients. Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in...

    1h 10m
  8. MAR 7

    Trump Administration and Free Speech: Concerns and Considerations

    Hey folks, Brett and Norm here, jumping into another week with Common Sense Ohio! Shoutout to Harper and Company CPAs Plus for keeping us financially savvy. Honestly, nothing like walking out of a meeting with those guys feeling like you’ve got your business game plan down for the quarter! Free speech on college campuses. Norm raises the flags on this shift from creating ‘safe zones’ to muzzling people’s opinions. We get it, not every opinion is peachy, but bottling up resentment isn’t the way to go. Let’s keep conversations flowing, even when they’re tough to swallow. Oh, and let’s not forget Trump’s latest speech. A mix of comedy club vibe with some heartfelt stories thrown in. Seriously, no matter your politics, those stories of young heroes in the gallery tug at your heartstrings and remind you we're all rooting for the same team in the end. Harper CPA Plus Back on Ohio turf, there's chatter on whether school board candidates should flash their political colors on the ballot. Yeah, it’s already happening on the sly, but do we really need to make everything a political tug-of-war? Just some food for thought. Wrapping up on a high note, cheers to Ohio throwing a cool $200 million at Career and Technical Education! Let’s get more kids pumped about skilled labor jobs. Welders, machinists, electricians—these gigs are not just vital but bring in the bucks. It’s high time we show them some love. Common Sense Moments 00:00 Free Speech vs. Campus Censorship 06:36 "Hamas Attack Sparks Campus Protests" 10:15 Concerns Over Campus Free Speech 17:39 Trump's Speech: Comedy Meets Drama 25:40 Moderate Democrats on Wasteful Spending 27:19 Senate's Transgender Sports Vote Debate 34:37 Clinton-Gingrich Budget Lessons 38:37 Ontario-US Trade and Tariff Tensions 42:51 Ford's Cross-Border Tariff Issues 49:07 Capitol Display: Only US Flags 54:17 Partisan Influence in Local Politics 57:36 Judicial Seat Deals in Politics Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH. info@commonsenseohioshow.com Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients. Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors. Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard. Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/

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We're taking a common sense approach to the news events in Ohio. And why Ohio? Well, because it's right from the middle. It's the heart of it all. It's the place where you can test almost all Americanized theories. It's a jumping-off point to having greater discussions about politics and news. And what's going on not only in the state of Ohio, but the country --and maybe even the rest of the world. Your Common Sense hosts are: Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. Brett Johnson is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio.

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