Consulting Matters

Betsy Jordyn

Great consultants don’t just deliver transformation—they live it. Consulting Matters with Betsy Jordyn is the podcast for organizational consultants and transformation-driven coaches who build businesses rooted in their expertise and passions, empower leaders, and drive meaningful change. Hosted by Betsy Jordyn—a former Organizational Development consultant at Disney and a seasoned consultant and business owner with decades of experience—this show equips you to master the art, science, and business of transformation for your clients and, most importantly, for yourself. Through insightful solo episodes and compelling conversations with C-suite executives, seasoned consultants, and support partners, Betsy shares proven strategies for building credibility, crafting messaging that resonates, and confidently navigating the complexities of consulting. But Consulting Matters isn’t just about growing your business—it’s about developing you. Discover how to harness your expertise, reignite your passion, and elevate your ability to create lasting impact. Your transformation starts here. Take your consulting journey to the next level.

  1. The C.U.R.E. for Fear & Self-Doubt (Ep157)

    4H AGO

    The C.U.R.E. for Fear & Self-Doubt (Ep157)

    Got big visions for your consulting or coaching business?  Chances are you also have big fear and self-doubt. Great news!  I’m going to explain why fear is both an expected, and welcome companion on your journey to growing your own thriving consulting or coaching business and give you the cure for dealing with it on today's Consulting Matters podcast.   Because just when you think you got a handle on it, when you finally gathered the courage to leave your 9-5 and go out on your own, it shows up AGAIN when you decide to invest in a more professional brand, shift to a new client, land more strategic and transformational engagements and step into greater thought leader. At every pivot point, there's fear and self-doubt. Not only do you stress out with anxiety about finding clients – especially in uncertain times like today – but also second-guess yourself and feel like a fraud. Can you relate? If so, pay close attention to this episode where I share with you: What fear is and why it’s an expected an even welcome companion on your consulting or coaching business growth journey Legit reasons why fear and self-doubt are an even bigger deal for consultants and coaches I’ll also be sharing with you a proven cure for fear and self-doubt.  In previous episodes on the show, I addressed the CURE for imposter syndrome in episode 4 and burnout in episode 60. This episode I’ll share with you my updated thinking in the framework. Let’s dive in! Where to dive in: 00:00 Big Vision, Big Fear 01:10 Why Fear Keeps Coming Back 02:37 C – Characterize Fear 12:02 U – Understand Resistance 16:37 R – Respond with Compassion 25:00 E – Expand Your Vision 26:50 C.U.R.E. Recap 29:30 Action Steps Next steps: Rate yourself on a scale of 1-5 - (where 5 is “all in” and 1 is “I have a plan B and C” – how committed are you to your own business vision. If you’re anything less than a 4.5 or a 5, what fears are holding you back? Decide what actions you need to take to convince your fears that you get them and the needs they are alerting you to, and you got them and will not let those needs to go unmet as you pursue the achievement of your business vision?  If you need help expanding the vision you have for your consulting or coaching business – with greater clarity and confidence in what you do and how to package it up into offers that gets the right clients to say “yes, yes 1000x yes” to working with you, let’s chat. This truly is the BEST way to turn those fears into allies on your journey to greater consulting or coaching success and impact.  Go to www.betsyjordyn.com to learn more about my VIP Brand positioning and messaging programs. Better yet – hit the big button at the top of my website and book a free call with me.  Other episodes you may enjoy: Shift Your Consulting & Coaching from Services to Transformations with Joseph Pine (Ep154)  How to Start Your Consulting Business Right…the First Time with Sara Guttman (Ep153)  Why Brand Clarity Is About Trust with Dr. J.B. Adams (Ep152)  3 Types of Consulting /Coaching Expertise: Which one is yours? (Ep147)  5 Truths About Branding, I Only Saw After Tearing My Process Apart (Ep146)  Inside My Brand Messaging Process (and Why It Always Works) (Ep140) About the host: Betsy Jordyn is a business mentor, brand messaging strategist, and former Disney consultant who helps purpose-driven consultants and coaches build profitable businesses rooted in their unique strengths. With over 20 years in the industry and a knack for turning big ideas into clear positioning, she's your go-to for strategy that aligns with your calling. Work with me: https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services

    31 min
  2. Intentional Success: How Leslie Faircloth Took Control of Her Business & Brand (Ep156)

    APR 1

    Intentional Success: How Leslie Faircloth Took Control of Her Business & Brand (Ep156)

    Want to know the difference between leaving your consulting or coaching success up to chance or creating with strategic intention? Today on the Consulting Matters podcast, we’re getting into the differences between getting clients and building a business and standout brand with my guest and client, Leslie Faircloth. For a lot of us, we get into consulting or coaching after leaving our jobs because we have a generous network who as soon as they hear of our availability, they are introducing us to people who could use our expertise (or maybe hire us themselves) And then at some point we realize, while this is great for now, we know that this isn’t enough to create the sustainable success we need to go all in our consulting or coaching business.  That’s exactly what happened with my client Leslie, who instantly after leaving her job as a director of small business programs with the navy was getting people wanting to work with her. She got professional photos taken, and put up a website. It seems like it should be enough, right?  For her, it wasn’t. What was missing? The strategic intention and brand foundation underneath her expertise.  If you’re an aspiring, new or even seasoned consultant or coach looking for the strategic path, a thriving business, clients and impact, this is the episode for you.  In this episode, you’ll hear: Why “people already want to work with me” isn’t enough to build a sustainable business What happens after the initial wave of referrals and interest starts to level off  The shift from being in demand… to building a business that consistently creates it  As you listen, notice the shift Leslie made in how she thinks, speaks, and shows up. Then go take a look at her website: https://lesliefairclothconsulting.com/ It’s a clear example of what happens when your brand and positioning finally match the level of work you’re here to do. Where to dive in: 00:00 The Difference Between Getting Clients and Building a Business 02:05 Leslie’s Transition from Government Career to Consulting 07:30 Discovering a Passion for Supporting Small Business Underdogs 12:40 The Decision to Leave Stability and Start a Business 16:30 Early Success Through Referrals and Network 20:30 When “People Want to Work With You” Isn’t Enough 23:45 The Missing Piece: Strategy and Brand Foundation 28:00 Clarifying Your Ideal Client, Message, and Value 33:10 From Service Provider to Strategic Partner 36:20 Building a Brand That Reflects Your True Value 40:30 Confidence, Visibility, and Showing Up Differently 44:30 Lessons for Consultants Ready to Build with Intention Next Steps: See what this shift actually looks like: https://lesliefairclothconsulting.com/  Take a few minutes to explore Leslie’s website and see how her brand, messaging, and positioning now reflect the level of work she’s truly here to do. This is what it looks like when everything clicks. Ready to create this kind of clarity in your own business?Book a discovery call with me and let’s explore how to build the strategy, messaging, and positioning that supports consistent clients, stronger offers, and a business that actually feels sustainable. Not ready to work together yet, but know your message needs work? Start here with my free guide: From Confused to Confident 👉 https://www.betsyjordyn.com/confused-to-confident  About my guest: Leslie Faircloth is a Defense Small Business Growth Strategist and Advisor who helps ambitious, diverse small business owners create and execute the strategies they need to win defense contracts and become a competitive, mission-critical force in the market. Drawing on nearly three decades inside the defense acquisition workforce as a contracting professional and small business director, Leslie has helped hundreds of businesses navigate the complex intersection of compliance and opportunity to achieve contract wins and sustained growth. Her work is deeply personal—having built her own career as a young civilian woman in a military-heavy industry where she was often underestimated, she is passionate about helping others break through those same barriers. Through customized strategy, real-time expert guidance, and practical training, Leslie equips her clients to stop spinning their wheels and start winning. About the host: Betsy Jordyn is a business mentor, brand messaging strategist, and former Disney consultant who helps purpose-driven consultants and coaches build profitable businesses rooted in their unique strengths. With over 20 years in the industry and a knack for turning big ideas into clear positioning, she's your go-to for strategy that aligns with your calling. Work with me: https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services

    55 min
  3. The Transformational  Power of Mentors with Yogi Mueller (Ep155)

    MAR 25

    The Transformational Power of Mentors with Yogi Mueller (Ep155)

    What if the most powerful thing you could do for your clients isn't to consult or coach them… but to mentor them? We are the ones who guide our clients to achieve their aspirations and become who they are striving to become! We come alongside clients who are in the middle of their heroic journey. So if the client is the hero, then who are we? We are the mentors. We are the guides. We are the Obi-Wans to their Luke Skywalker. Ever since I left Disney to start my own consulting business over 15 years ago, I have been obsessed with the heroic journey. The heroic journey is a framework of transformation that mythologist Joseph Campbell captured…. There's an individual living a normal life who encounters something unexpected that calls them to adventure. They hesitate, and then they meet a wise old man or woman as a mentor. It appealed to me at first because of how it captured what was really behind me leaving my high-profile job at Disney for my own business, which wasn't just a career transition but a total life transformation. My own heroic journey. But then there's another angle that really speaks to me, especially as I pivoted from consulting to the business mentoring I do now, and that's the role of the mentor who shows up at critical moments with a mix of vision for what is possible for the hero or heroine and tough love to step into it. This role is what I see as the true purpose of transformational consultants and coaches… mentor to heroes and heroines on their journey of transformation. We are the Rafiki to Simba. We are the Obi-Wan to Luke. And when I heard people at a local OD networking meeting talking about Yogi Mueller and his book The Great Slapping, I knew I needed to have him on the show. Tune in to fully appreciate and step into the mentor role with your clients. In today's episode, we're getting into: The role of the mentor in the “hero’s journey” and how it reframes your work with clients at a deeper level   What real mentorship requires: trust, truth, and the willingness to deliver feedback that actually creates transformation   The difference between accidental mentors and intentional mentors, and why that distinction matters for your impact   How to both become a better mentor and show up as a mentee who actually grows and evolves Chapters: 00:00 – Why Mentorship Is More Powerful Than Coaching 02:05 – Yogi’s Journey: Disney, Career Shifts, and Reinvention 10:49 – Building a Business and Finding Your Voice 15:44 – Why Clients Buy You, Not Your Framework 19:08 – Mentorship vs. Transactions: A Different Value Proposition 23:00 – The Meaning Behind The Great Slapping 25:28 – The Mentors Who Shape Us (and Why It Matters) 29:39 – The Hero’s Journey and the Role of the Mentor 33:38 – Why Consultants Have Authority Without Position 42:18 – The “Great Slapping”: Tough Feedback That Transforms 47:50 – What Makes a Great Mentee 53:21 – Why You Need a Mentor (Even If You’re the Expert) 59:02 – Growth, Blind Spots, and Stepping Into the Mentor Role Next Steps: Get clear on the role you actually play Are you showing up as a consultant, a coach… or a mentor? Define how you guide your clients through their transformation journey so your positioning reflects the real value you bring.   Refine your brand positioning to match your impact If your messaging doesn’t clearly communicate how you help clients become who they are striving to become, you’re leaving opportunity on the table. Your positioning should make it obvious that you are the partner who meets them in the middle of their heroic journey.   Work with me to step fully into the mentor role If you’re ready to elevate your positioning and show up as the guide your clients actually need, Betsy can help you clarify your message, own your role, and build a brand that reflects the transformation you create. Learn more here https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services  Other episodes you may enjoy: Shift Your Consulting & Coaching from Services to Transformations with Joseph Pine (Ep154)  How to Start Your Consulting Business Right…the First Time with Sara Guttman (Ep153)  Why Brand Clarity Is About Trust with Dr. J.B. Adams (Ep152)  3 Types of Consulting /Coaching Expertise: Which one is yours? (Ep147)  5 Truths About Branding, I Only Saw After Tearing My Process Apart (Ep146)  Inside My Brand Messaging Process (and Why It Always Works) (Ep140) About the guest: With over 30 years in Talent Development, Yogi Mueller helps forward-thinking executives build the leadership pipelines they need to support real business growth. His background spans hospitality, Disney leadership, and even a former career in comedy, bringing a rare mix of clarity, candor, and humanity to every room he walks into. Yogi is the go-to partner when leadership teams are misaligned, new leaders lack direction, culture feels unclear, or high-potential programs need credibility fast. Through his signature Embrace the G.R.I.T. approach and G.R.I.T. Index Assessment, he helps leaders get honest, take ownership, and grow through the hard lessons that actually drive transformation. He is also the author of The Great Slapping, a raw take on mentorship, feedback, and what it truly takes to develop leaders who don’t shy away from what’s required to grow. https://www.linkedin.com/in/yogimueller/  About the host: Betsy Jordyn is a business mentor, brand messaging strategist, and former Disney consultant who helps purpose-driven consultants and coaches build profitable businesses rooted in their unique strengths. With over 20 years in the industry and a knack for turning big ideas into clear positioning, she's your go-to for strategy that aligns with your calling. Work with me: https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services

    1h 3m
  4. Shift Your Consulting & Coaching from Services to Transformations with Joseph Pine (Ep154)

    MAR 18

    Shift Your Consulting & Coaching from Services to Transformations with Joseph Pine (Ep154)

    Is your consulting or coaching business in the product, service, or transformation business? Today's episode is all about getting your consulting or coaching business firmly into the transformation business. And that means shifting your perspective on whatever you do with your clients or what you want to sell them from the end… to the means to a bigger end, which is what your clients truly desire… …achieving their aspirations and becoming who they want to become. Without this shift, we leave value on the table. To help us unpack this and create the path from products to services to experiences to transformations, I'm beyond excited to bring you author, speaker, and advisor to Fortune 500 companies like my beloved Disney, where I first got introduced to his work back in 1999 when I was a brand-new organization development consultant, Joe Pine. One of my first projects at Disney was with the Fort Wilderness Campgrounds. The GM was Cesar, and at our first meeting, he handed me Joe's Experience Economy book and asked for my help implementing these principles to stage more engaging, immersive experiences for the guests at the Fort. So I have been a fan of Joe's work since then. And even more so with his book on the Transformation Economy, which made me realize why I have butterflies all over the place, and as the icon of my logo, because of how much I love this industry and how much this is such a key part of what I do. In today's episode, we're getting into: The differences between the product, service, experience, and transformation economy What transformation really is, and how understanding that transforms your understanding of what your product actually is The steps you need to take to make the shift into transformation Chapters  00:00 Is Your Business a Service or a Transformation?  02:30 What Is the Experience Economy (Simple Breakdown)  08:54 Products → Services → Experiences → Transformations Explained  12:30 How This Applies to Consultants & Coaches  19:01 Why Transformation (Not Coaching) Is What Clients Buy  24:57 The Shift: The Client Is the Product 32:16 The Real Starting Point: Disruption, Not Strategy  36:00 How to Design Transformational Client Experiences  47:41 Why Most Consultants Think Too Small  55:11 Will AI Replace Coaches? The Real Answer  01:05:27 How to Charge for Transformation (Not Time) Next Steps Get clear on the transformation you deliver. What is different for your client because they worked with you. Check out Joe's book to dive into this more. Look at your client journey and elevate one moment. Where can you be more intentional, more thoughtful, more experiential If you are ready to move from service provider to strategic partner, connect with me to clarify your positioning and build an offer that reflects your true value. Learn more here https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services  Other episodes you may enjoy: How to Start Your Consulting Business Right…the First Time with Sara Guttman (Ep153) Why Brand Clarity Is About Trust with Dr. J.B. Adams (Ep152) 3 Types of Consulting /Coaching Expertise: Which one is yours? (Ep147) 5 Truths About Branding, I Only Saw After Tearing My Process Apart (Ep146) Inside My Brand Messaging Process (and Why It Always Works) (Ep140) About my guest: B. Joseph Pine II is an internationally acclaimed author, speaker, and management advisor to Fortune 500 companies and entrepreneurial startups, and cofounder of Strategic Horizons LLP, a consulting studio focused on helping organizations create new forms of value. He is best known for co-authoring The Experience Economy, a landmark book that redefined how businesses compete by staging memorable experiences rather than simply delivering goods and services, and his latest work, The Transformation Economy, builds on that foundation by showing how businesses can guide customers toward meaningful outcomes and lasting change. Through his work, Pine helps leaders elevate their offerings, rethink their positioning, and design experiences that drive both impact and revenue. Learn more at https://strategichorizons.com/  About the host: Betsy Jordyn is a business mentor, brand messaging strategist, and former Disney consultant who helps purpose-driven consultants and coaches build profitable businesses rooted in their unique strengths. With over 20 years in the industry and a knack for turning big ideas into clear positioning, she's your go-to for strategy that aligns with your calling. Work with me: https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services

    1h 9m
  5. How to Start Your Consulting Business Right…the First Time with Sara Guttman (Ep153)

    MAR 11

    How to Start Your Consulting Business Right…the First Time with Sara Guttman (Ep153)

    Want to know how to start your own consulting business right... the first time? No false starts. No expensive trial and error. Find out how with my guest and client, Sara Guttman, on today’s Consulting Matters podcast. Today, we’re getting into what it actually looks like to seamlessly step out of your leadership career and into consulting business ownership, instead of doing what a lot of us do (myself included)... We instantly get some clients through our network. We throw up a DIY website, We find more established consultants and coaches to subcontract for. And voilà—we’re “in business.” This works. Until it doesn’t. The referral network dries up. The subcontracting keeps us under someone else’s brand. The DIY website reads like an online resume. Worst of all, we realize we've achieved everything except what we set out to achieve when we started our businesses, especially control over our careers, time, impact, and earning potential. Can you relate? But with my client Sara, she avoided all this. And I'm so excited to have her as my guest on my show, so she can tell you how! We met last September when she joined my impact and income accelerator as a low-cost probe to see if she wanted to start her own consulting business. Once she got affirmation on that, we got to work on her brand positioning strategy and website design, and I even got to direct her website photoshoot. She has lots to share about: Her journey into business ownership Why it was important for her to set herself up as a strategic partner from the get-go How she dealt with self-doubt Why she made avoiding expensive trial-and-error her mantra for investing in her business development up front. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Sarah's Background03:13 Sarah's Career Journey from Radio to Community Center09:37 Realizing the Impact of Venue Management11:58 The Seed of Entrepreneurship: Asking for Advice16:11 Avoiding the Doom Loop and Making Strategic Moves21:16 The Power of Strategic Positioning vs Service Delivery26:28 Brand Messaging and Naming Strategies34:32 Clarifying Business Offerings and Messaging43:49 Reflections on the Business Launch and Next Steps52:56 The Value of Strategy and Support in Business Growth01:00:21 Sarah's Website and Contact Info01:02:13 Key Takeaways: Confidence, Courage, and Strategy   Other episodes you may enjoy: Why Brand Clarity Is About Trust with Dr. J.B. Adams (Ep152) 3 Types of Consulting /Coaching Expertise: Which one is yours? (Ep147) 5 Truths About Branding, I Only Saw After Tearing My Process Apart (Ep146) Inside My Brand Messaging Process (and Why It Always Works) (Ep140) About my guest: Sara Guttman is a meeting and event space consultant who helps nonprofit organizations turn their facilities into reliable revenue streams. After a decade leading venue operations at the Boulder JCC, she now partners with nonprofit leaders to help them generate sustainable income through strategic use of their event spaces. https://saraguttman.com/  About the host: Betsy Jordyn is a business mentor, brand messaging strategist, and former Disney consultant who helps purpose-driven consultants and coaches build profitable businesses rooted in their unique strengths. With over 20 years in the industry and a knack for turning big ideas into clear positioning, she's your go-to for strategy that aligns with your calling. Work with me: https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services

    1h 6m
  6. Why Brand Clarity Is About Trust with Dr. J.B. Adams (Ep152)

    MAR 4

    Why Brand Clarity Is About Trust with Dr. J.B. Adams (Ep152)

    As consultants and coaches, we know trust is the foundation of any meaningful relationship. And it is especially true in the work we do with our clients. When clients trust us, everything changes. They open up. They share what is really going on. They accept feedback. They take risks. They implement our recommendations. That is when real transformation happens in their careers, businesses, and organizations. Without trust, even if we land the contract, the engagement quietly falls apart. Clients stay guarded. They hesitate. They hold back. The work never reaches its full potential. But here is the deeper question. What if trust does not begin in your discovery call? What if it begins long before that? In this episode, I explore the idea that trust is built at every touchpoint of your brand. Your website. Your messaging. Your positioning. The clarity of your expertise. The way you communicate your purpose. All of it either lowers anxiety and builds confidence, or creates subtle barriers to trust. And not just trust in you. Trust in themselves and their ability to create change. Joining me is Dr. J.B. Adams, executive development strategist and trust researcher, whose doctoral work focused specifically on what builds trust and what breaks it . Together, we unpack why branding is not about looking impressive. It is about creating safety. In This Episode, You’ll Hear: Why trust is the real driver of successful consulting and coaching engagements, and why it starts long before the discovery call. The three core elements that build trust and how they apply directly to your brand. How vague positioning quietly erodes credibility, and why clear specialization instantly increases trust. The surprising lesson a skin cancer diagnosis taught me about branding, safety, and client anxiety. Why moving from order taker to strategic partner is essential if you want to build a brand that commands respect and long-term loyalty. If you are a consultant or coach who wants deeper client engagement, stronger results, and more powerful word of mouth, this conversation will shift how you think about your brand. Chapters:  00:00 The Importance of Trust in Consulting and Coaching03:04 JB Adams: A Journey of Trust and Branding05:54 The Evolution of JB's Career and Education09:04 The Decision to Work on Brand Positioning11:55 The Experience of Rebranding with Betsy14:47 The Deep Dive into Trust and Branding18:08 The Role of Trust in Client Relationships20:55 The Impact of Trust on Client Engagement23:57 Navigating the Crossroads of Business Focus27:07 Building Trust Through Cohort-Based Development30:13 The Three Pillars of Trust: Ability, Integrity, Benevolence33:05 Applying Trust to Branding Strategies36:07 The Power of Trust in Client Relationships39:05 Final Thoughts on Trust and Branding Next Steps: Audit your brand through the lens of trust: Take a fresh look at your website, messaging, and client touchpoints. Are you clearly demonstrating expertise, integrity, and genuine care? Or are there subtle gaps that could be creating hesitation? Move from order taker to strategic partner: Consider where you might be saying yes out of habit instead of alignment. Trust grows when you position yourself as a thoughtful expert who solves a specific problem, not just someone who takes requests. See trust-centered branding in action: Visit adamslearning.com to explore how Dr. J.B. Adams positioned his expertise around executive development and trust after earning his doctorate. If you want the kind of clarity and confidence J.B. built into his brand, explore working with me: Head over to betsyjordan.com to learn more about my brand positioning and messaging services and how we can build a trust-centered brand that reflects the real depth of your work. Other episodes you may enjoy: 3 Types of Consulting /Coaching Expertise: Which one is yours? (Ep147) 5 Truths About Branding, I Only Saw After Tearing My Process Apart (Ep146) Inside My Brand Messaging Process (and Why It Always Works) (Ep140) About the guest: Dr. J.B. Adams is an Executive Development Strategist and Coach who partners with purpose-driven, people-centered CEOs and CHROs in service-based organizations to build executive-ready leaders and trust-centered cultures. With decades of experience in learning and development, a doctorate in business, and master’s degrees in education and business, his background includes developing leaders at organizations such as The Walt Disney Company. Through customized, cohort-based programs that integrate 360-degree assessments, stakeholder-centered coaching, and group learning, he helps organizations strengthen their executive bench, fuel sustainable growth, and protect their long-term legacy. Visit his website: https://adamslearning.com/  About the host: Betsy Jordyn is a business mentor, brand messaging strategist, and former Disney consultant who helps purpose-driven consultants and coaches build profitable businesses rooted in their unique strengths. With over 20 years in the industry and a knack for turning big ideas into clear positioning, she's your go-to for strategy that aligns with your calling. Work with me: https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services

    1h 7m
  7. Influence Clients with C.A.R.E. (Ep151)

    FEB 25

    Influence Clients with C.A.R.E. (Ep151)

    How do you influence others to change, especially when you don’t have positional authority? You don’t. Find out what to do instead on today’s episode of the Consulting Matters podcast. I've been getting into the real systemic issues on the Consulting Matters podcast that make our influence with clients harder than we might think. A couple of weeks ago, I got into the differences between stakeholder and shareholder capitalism. Last week, I had Bob Emiliani on the show to share his research on the differences between progressive and classical management. If you missed them and are curious about the real issues that stand in the way of the people-centered work environments and societal systems we long for, check them out here. My goal wasn't to bum anyone out but to give a reality check of the limits of our influence and how to care, just not too much. But today, I want to end this mini-podcast series with some guidance on how to find the wins we can, because even if we can’t change everything... we can create influence with C.A.R.E. My C.A.R.E. framework summarizes my approach to persuasion, which is: Influence is persuading people to make decisions and choices that serve their best interests and the best interests of others. It’s not about convincing others to want what I want or trying to create buy-in for a change that comes down from on-high and could serve the company in the short-term, but harm it and others in the long-term. In this episode you'll hear: How to connect with the clients you want to influence as people first How to ask great questions that get beyond surface-level information to make clients feel seen and understood How to reframe perspective by organizing disparate thoughts and ideas into logical categories, providing clarity of thought and action How to encourage right actions that align with what is your client wants, what is in the best interest of themselves and the realm they are responsible for AND give them the that they have what it takes to succeed Influence is a powerful skill that can be used for good or bad, depending on who you’re trying to convince and why, and whose interest it serves. But in the hands of a purpose-driven consultant or coach, without positional authority, this is where and how we get our wins. Tune in to learn how to influence with C.A.R.E. Chapters 00:00 Influencing Change Without Authority07:31 The CARE Model: Connecting with Clients15:42 Asking Great Questions and Deep Listening21:44 Reframing Perspectives for Clarity29:22 Encouraging Right Actions for Change Next Steps 1. Practice C.A.R.E. with your next client: Pick one element—Connect, Ask, Reframe, or Encourage—and focus on doing it exceptionally well in your next conversation. 2. Join the Common Good Consulting & Coaching Consortium: This is your last week to get on the interest list. Go to www.betsyjordyn.com/common-good. 3. If you need help positioning yourself for greater influence with clients: Learn more about my VIP programs or book a call at www.betsyjordyn.com. Other episodes you may enjoy: Classical vs. Progressive Management with Bob Emiliani (Ep150) What Every Consultant & Coach Must Know About Stakeholder vs. Shareholder Capitalism (Ep149) Stop Calling Yourself "Consultant" or "Coach": Why You Need a Unique Title (Ep148) 3 Types of Consulting /Coaching Expertise: Which one is yours? (Ep147) 5 Truths About Branding, I Only Saw After Tearing My Process Apart (Ep146) Inside My Brand Messaging Process (and Why It Always Works) (Ep140) About the host: Betsy Jordyn is a business mentor, brand messaging strategist, and former Disney consultant who helps purpose-driven consultants and coaches build profitable businesses rooted in their unique strengths. With over 20 years in the industry and a knack for turning big ideas into clear positioning, she's your go-to for strategy that aligns with your calling. Work with me: https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services

    40 min
  8. Classical vs. Progressive Management with Bob Emiliani  (Ep150)

    FEB 18

    Classical vs. Progressive Management with Bob Emiliani (Ep150)

    Last week I did something different on the podcast. I talked about stakeholder vs. shareholder capitalism... and a lot of you reached out saying "this finally explains everything I've been experiencing." So this week I'm building on that. Because understanding the economic system is one thing. But understanding the management philosophy that flows from it? That's where it gets real. This week's episode: Classical vs. Progressive Management with Bob Emiliani Bob is the author of 28 books on progressive management and has been researching this for over 30 years. And he breaks down why leaders say they want collaborative, people-centered cultures... then turn around and manage with command-and-control. Spoiler: It's not because they're lying. It's because of the management philosophy baked into the system. Here's what you'll learn: What classical vs. progressive management actually means Why your transformation work keeps failing (and it's not your influence skills) What consultants and coaches are really up against when trying to influence leaders How to work more strategically instead of blaming yourself My big takeaway We worry too much about our influence skills and beat ourselves up when change fails. But when everything is operating the way it's designed—classical management, shareholder capitalism—making the shift toward what we know in our hearts is better is bigger than any one of us can change alone. We need to partner together. That's why I'm launching the Common Good Consulting & Coaching Consortium—and Bob has agreed to be an advisor. Want to join the Consortium? Get on the interest list for our founding call: betsyjordyn.com/common-good Next Steps Explore Bob Emiliani’s books: The Triumph of Classical Management, A Change in Perspective, The Aesthetic Compass at BobEmiliani.com If this episode surfaced frustration you’ve felt for years… If you’ve hit the “why won’t they change?” wall… If you believe people-centered leadership matters but feel like the system is bigger than your discipline… Join the interest list for the Common Good Consulting & Coaching Consortium. Chapters 00:00 The Paradox of Leadership Styles02:45 Understanding Classical vs. Progressive Management05:55 The Lean Management Dilemma08:56 The Spectrum of Management Styles11:56 The Role of Preconceptions in Leadership14:51 Challenges in Influencing Leadership17:53 The Importance of Human-Centered Leadership20:55 Navigating Organizational Change23:50 The Need for System-Level Changes27:08 Finding Common Ground in Leadership30:12 The Future of People-Centered Organizations Other episodes you may enjoy: What Every Consultant & Coach Must Know About Stakeholder vs. Shareholder Capitalism (Ep149) Stop Calling Yourself "Consultant" or "Coach": Why You Need a Unique Title (Ep148) 3 Types of Consulting /Coaching Expertise: Which one is yours? (Ep147) 5 Truths About Branding, I Only Saw After Tearing My Process Apart (Ep146) Inside My Brand Messaging Process (and Why It Always Works) (Ep140) About the guest: Bob Emiliani is a Professor Emeritus, leadership researcher, and founder of Cubic, LLC, a company dedicated to leadership development and management improvement. With more than 25 years of experience advancing leadership practices across industries, Bob is known for translating complex organizational challenges into practical, actionable strategies. Drawing from hands-on experience in engineering, manufacturing, and supply chain management, along with 23 years as an educator, Bob brings both academic depth and real-world insight to his work. Through his books, online courses, and on-demand videos, he equips professionals with clear frameworks and methods designed to strengthen leadership capability and improve organizational performance. He is especially recognized for his work on “Speed Leadership,” a concept focused on accelerating learning, decision-making, and meaningful organizational change. About the host: Betsy Jordyn is a business mentor, brand messaging strategist, and former Disney consultant who helps purpose-driven consultants and coaches build profitable businesses rooted in their unique strengths. With over 20 years in the industry and a knack for turning big ideas into clear positioning, she's your go-to for strategy that aligns with your calling. Work with me: https://www.betsyjordyn.com/services

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