48 episodes

Conversational Counseling is where discipleship and counseling meet. Each season we help you apply biblical truths to your everyday life and to the lives of those around you.

After decades of having these conversations in the counseling room and side by side over coffee with friends, we really believe that every single thing we’ve learned is useful within family, with your friends, at your work, with your neighbors and at your church.

For free visuals and discussion questions for this podcast, sign up at knownministries.org. Known Ministries is Alex Kocher and Brenda Payne.

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Conversational Counseling is where discipleship and counseling meet. Each season we help you apply biblical truths to your everyday life and to the lives of those around you.

After decades of having these conversations in the counseling room and side by side over coffee with friends, we really believe that every single thing we’ve learned is useful within family, with your friends, at your work, with your neighbors and at your church.

For free visuals and discussion questions for this podcast, sign up at knownministries.org. Known Ministries is Alex Kocher and Brenda Payne.

    S6 Ep. 6 / Ginger Jacks: Help When Someone Has Lost a Child

    S6 Ep. 6 / Ginger Jacks: Help When Someone Has Lost a Child

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    Our guest and dear friend on this episode, Ginger Jacks, lost her 17-year-old daughter in a car wreck back in 2010 when we all shared daily life together with our teenage kids. Our desire is that as she shares her story, that you would find hope and help if you have lost or child or know someone who has... or even are in your own season of grief for other reasons.

    Grief is so different for everybody and there's no formula. You have to go through the process and the stages and no one can tell you when those will be. The process really is the healing.

    God can handle your doubts. He can carry you through the day, one day at a time.

    Heaven by Randy Alcorn

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    Our theme music is by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠As Isaac⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    This podcast is made possible by engineer and producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shane Selby⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, executive producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Meleah Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠generous donors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Known Ministries⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alex Kocher⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and Brenda Payne. Season six of Conversational Counseling is all about equipping you with specific knowledge and skills from special guests who have unique experience and expertise to help with harder issues you might encounter.


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    • 43 min
    S6 Ep. 5 / Peggy Bruning: Help When You Love an Addict

    S6 Ep. 5 / Peggy Bruning: Help When You Love an Addict

    Listener discretion advised: This episode is not graphic but it does cover a sensitive topic.

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    Drug use and abuse is a growing epidemic. And every struggler has a loved one. The grief of watching someone self-destruct can be agonizing. What are some of the things that can lead someone down a path of addiction? And what are some of the things that can truly help them?

    Our guest this time, Peggy Bruning, was a good girl raised in a religious home who lost her mom as a teenager and turned to drugs for relief. This pain she had no way to deal with, led her down her own destructive journey of drug addiction. She tells the story of how she met Jesus and how for the first time she received true comfort for the death of her mother and forgiveness for all the ways she had sought to find relief outside of Christ.

    How can we love an addict without enabling them? When someone is in chaos, how can you not enter it? How can we move towards real solutions of change? How can we respond without reacting?

    Our theme music is by⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠As Isaac⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    This podcast is made possible by engineer and producer⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shane Selby⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, executive producer⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Meleah Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠generous donors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Known Ministries⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alex Kocher⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and Brenda Payne. Season six of Conversational Counseling is all about equipping you with specific knowledge and skills from special guests who have unique experience and expertise to help with harder issues you might encounter.

    The information presented here is for the enjoyment of all. It is not intended as either medical advice or counseling, nor is it specific to any particular individual. It is not intended to replace counseling, medical care or professional advice. Please contact 911 if you are having an emergency.


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    • 58 min
    S6 Ep. 4 / Andrew Dealy: Help When You or Someone You Know is Suicidal

    S6 Ep. 4 / Andrew Dealy: Help When You or Someone You Know is Suicidal

    Listener discretion advised: This episode is not graphic but it does cover a sensitive topic.

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    Our guest Andrew Dealy has a family history of five generations back of completed suicides, including losing his own father. When dark thoughts come, Andrew doesn’t take them lightly. With compassion and clarity, he helps us learn the difference between suicidal thoughts and intent, risk factors, and what to do if someone discloses they are thinking of ending their own life.

    Scripture defines every individual human being as indispensable in the body of Christ, uniquely made and handcrafted by God for this particular moment, this particular time. By God's grace, every individual we bump into has inherently more dignity and meaning than they could possibly comprehend. YOU have more dignity and meaning than you could possibly comprehend. 

    Instead of settling for entertainment and distraction, Andrew encourages us to lean into real relationships and Scripture, to share with someone about our struggles, and to find hope here and now, and to know that our problems are all time-stamped, and you don’t have to walk alone.

    Andrew Dealy’s counseling at Austin Stone Counseling

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    Our theme music is by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠As Isaac⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    This podcast is made possible by engineer and producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shane Selby⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, executive producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Meleah Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠generous donors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Known Ministries⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alex Kocher⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and Brenda Payne. Season six of Conversational Counseling is all about equipping you with specific knowledge and skills from special guests who have unique experience and expertise to help with harder issues you might encounter.

    The information presented here is for the enjoyment of all. It is not intended as either medical advice or counseling, nor is it specific to any particular individual. It is not intended to replace counseling, medical care or professional advice. Please contact 911 if you are having an emergency.


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    • 51 min
    S6 Ep. 3 / Chris Torchia: Help When Your Child Reveals Gender and Sexual Identity Struggles

    S6 Ep. 3 / Chris Torchia: Help When Your Child Reveals Gender and Sexual Identity Struggles

    Note: This episode is not graphic but it does cover sensitive topics you might not be ready for little ears to hear.

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    A lot of Christian parents haven’t spent a lot of time thinking about gender and sexuality issues. Many young people are looking for somewhere to belong, to be accepted, to be loved.

    Often parents are shocked by unexpected news from a child coming out to them and overcome with grief and don’t know how to move forward in love for their child and faithfulness to the Lord.

    Our special guest this episode, Chris Torchia, reminds us that we do have the freedom to lean into the nuance and the messiness of real life relationships. And that as we reframe our experiences, relationships and our own brokenness and need for Christ, we’re able to see that we’re all more alike than we might have first thought. Then we’re able to affirm the good desires of a child to belong and be accepted, to be curious about what they really mean and where they are in their journey, and to be faithful to a deeper relationship of trusting God and His good leading for the process He is leading us each through and the value of His Word.

    Chris break dancing... if you find more videos, send them in! :)

    Shattered Dreams, New Hope a free curriculum you can download that has companion videos

    Get help, including virtual groups, from Harvest USA

    To sign up for free visuals and discussion questions for this podcast click⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    Our theme music is by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠As Isaac⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    This podcast is made possible by engineer and producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shane Selby⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, executive producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Meleah Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠generous donors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Known Ministries⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alex Kocher⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and Brenda Payne. Season six of Conversational Counseling is all about equipping you with specific knowledge and skills from special guests who have unique experience and expertise to help with harder issues you might encounter.


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    • 56 min
    S6 Ep. 2 / Marnie Ferree: Help When Your Spouse Betrays You

    S6 Ep. 2 / Marnie Ferree: Help When Your Spouse Betrays You

    Note: This episode is not graphic but it does cover a sensitive topic you might not be ready for little ears that may be around to hear.

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    In this episode Marnie Ferree shares about the betrayal of a spouse, having herself been the betrayer and then decades into her marriage finding out that she had been betrayed. Marnie shares her story from her childhood up until just a couple of years ago with honesty and great hope, and in a way that is applicable to each of us since in some ways we’ve all experienced betrayal, feeling stuck or unsure about our worth.

    Marnie shares as a woman who is marvelously redeemed from unbelievable amounts of pain, who is grateful for the journey because of all that God has done and continues to do. And although not always pleasant, she encourages us that our journey with God can always be healing.

    Bethesda Workshops

    Marnie’s Books

    Forgiveness Season of Conversational Counseling

    To sign up for free visuals and discussion questions for this podcast click ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    Our theme music is by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠As Isaac⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    This podcast is made possible by engineer and producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shane Selby⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, executive producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Meleah Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠generous donors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Known Ministries⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alex Kocher⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and Brenda Payne. Season six of Conversational Counseling is all about equipping you with specific knowledge and skills from special guests who have unique experience and expertise to help with harder issues you might encounter.


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    • 57 min
    S6 Bonus / Shauna Van Dyke with Association of Biblical Counselors (ABC)

    S6 Bonus / Shauna Van Dyke with Association of Biblical Counselors (ABC)

    We are SO thrilled to share this bonus episode with you!! Our colleague and quickly becoming dear friend, Shauna Van Dyke, is the Executive Director at the Association of Biblical Counselors (ABC).

    Shauna has an amazing heart to equip believers for the work of ministry as she sincerely believes we are all called to care. That every single one of us can live out the "one anothers" in our daily lives. And she is an amazing champion and cheerleader of what the Lord is doing in and through others!

    She offers a sincere and tender encouragement for any of us who feels isolated and alone in our calling... and if we're honest, that's each of us at some point! So we can not be discouraged if we are the only one who is leaning in... to consider it a great gift.

    If you're looking to be reminded that you are not entirely alone, to learn, be enriched, challenged and encouraged in your own walk with the Lord but also as you walk with others, there's still time to register for the ABC conference coming up April 25-27, 2024. They have in-person and virtual options available! We're going to be there and would love to meet up with any of you who will be as well!

    Called to Counsel, ABC's conference April 25-27, 2024 in Fort Worth ,TX

    Shauna's Truth Renewed Ministry website

    ABC's website: christiancounseling.com

    Equipped to Counsel by John Henderson

    Instruments in the Redeemer's Hands by Paul David Tripp

    "Superpowers" (S1 E2) of Conversational Counseling

    Our Real Life Discipleship Counseling Class (which Shauna so graciously recommends)

    "Tim Challies: A Story of Immeasurable Suffering and Incomparable Hope" (S5 E8) of Conversational Counseling

    ABC's Resources (even more available in their member area!)

    CCEF's conference Oct 4-6, 2024 in Chattanooga, TN

    Follow on social media:

    - ABC on Facebook - ⁠Truth Renewed Ministries Facebook⁠

    - ABC on Instagram - Truth Renewed on Instagram

    To sign up for free visuals and discussion questions for this podcast click⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    Our theme music is by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠As Isaac⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    This podcast is made possible by engineer and producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shane Selby⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, executive producer ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Meleah Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠generous donors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

    ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Known Ministries⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alex Kocher⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and Brenda Payne.


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    • 46 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
56 Ratings

56 Ratings

Shanika M. ,

Perfectly named!

An amazing biblical resource tool for greater understanding of who we are, what we are dealing with and how to better relate to one another other.

dawn@thefaithtoflourish ,

Wisdom and Compassion in Each Conversation

I enjoy each podcast as I listen and learn through sound biblical teachings, as well as from Brenda’s and Alex’s life experiences. Through their conversations inside and tools, I am able to share with others who are hurting in my life and through my ministry.

Daily addiction daily fun ,

I absolutely love this PODCAST

I am currently working on my biblical counseling certification and these PODCASTS have been so valuable. Brenda and Alex are so relatable. They share their own ups and downs and mistakes with counseling which helps me to see how God uses us, no matter what, if we are willing. They also keep reminding me, that it’s ALL about the work of the HS and not me anyways, which I need to be reminded of. I love how they make their information so practical and the focus is always about Jesus. I love their own vulnerability which to me is what makes it so relatable! Thanks Brenda and Alex ♥️♥️♥️

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