Conversations 4 Citizenship

Dr. Stella Micheong Cheong, Dr. Adam Peter Lang, Dr. Kamille Beye

Are you an educator or researcher seeking reliable resources about citizenship and human rights education? Are you interested in the burning issues of the day -- injustice, political polarization, politics of hate, economic populism, human rights violations, disinformation, racial and ethnic conflict and in other places -- and would like the opportunity to converse with experts on these topics? #Conversations4Citizenship is an educational resource for you. Each month, the podcast explores new ideas, insights and knowledge about citizenship and human rights education through fascinating conversations with scholars, doctoral students and practitioners across the world who have been involved in these fields of work or study. Each episode is hosted by experienced researchers from the Institute of Education, UCL's Faculty of Education and Society and Yonsei University: Dr. Adam Lang, Dr. Kamille Beye and Dr. Stella Mi-cheong Cheong. In season three of #Conversations4citizenship, we are inviting any interested citizenship and human rights education researchers and practitioners to also join our podcast as possible guests. For expressions of interest, please click on the Join Us! link at the top of this page, and we will contact you shortly. You may email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.com. Let us know what you think! Thank you for your kind support. ©Copyright 2025 conversations4citizenship-All rights reserved

  1. Episode 07 | Rethinking History with Prof. Korostelina: Identity, Reconciliation and the Power of Memory in Peacebuilding

    FEB 3

    Episode 07 | Rethinking History with Prof. Korostelina: Identity, Reconciliation and the Power of Memory in Peacebuilding

    In this enlightening episode, Dr. Stella Micheong Cheong and her co-hosts welcome Dr. Karina Korostelina, Director of the Sustainable Peace Lab at George Mason University, to discuss the profound impact of collective memory on conflict and reconciliation. Korostelina argues that physical locations such as monuments and museums, are not merely static records of the past but active political tools that shape national identity and future conflict dynamics. She introduces concepts from her new book, Memory Sites and Conflict Dynamics, explaining how these sites often 'ascribe' negative traits to perceived enemies or 'enhance' a group's own narrative at the expense of others. Furthermore, the conversation challenges the traditional liberal peace model, advocating instead for a local turn that prioritizes community resilience and agonistic history—acknowledging multiple, coexisting interpretations of the same events. Ultimately, Dr. Korostelina emphasizes that education is key to disrupting monolithic narratives and fostering lasting peace. This episode is hosted by Dr. Stella Micheong Cheong. Please subscribe to the podcast through Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music or Audible. You may also follow @c4cpodcast.bsky.social on Bluesky. We look forward to hearing your feedback. If you would like to explore participating in our podcast and submit your blog post to the C4C,  do not hesitate to reach out through the online participation form or email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.com  If you are curious about Memory Sites and Conflict Dynamics, check out her new book, 'Memory Sites and Conflict DynamicsCollective Memory, Identity, and Power' and visit the Sustainable Peace Lab's website linked below. Korostelina, K. V. (2025). Memory Sites and Conflict Dynamics: Collective Memory, Identity, and Power. Routledge.Korostelina, K. V., Gopin, M., Helsing, J. W., & Özerdem, A. (Eds.). (2024). Identity and religion in peace processes: Mechanisms, strategies and tactics. Taylor & Francis.The Sustainable Peace Lab Contact Conversations4citizenship Tweet us @c4c_ed and @stellarcheongBluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.social.Email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.comSubmit your work us at http://www.conversations4citizenship.comYou can now follow the Conversations4Citizenship on Bluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.socialThanks for listening and keeping Conversations4Citizenship podcasting!

    51 min
  2. Episode 06 | Global Higher Education in Crisis: 3 Hosts' Perspectives from the US, UK, and Korea

    JAN 4

    Episode 06 | Global Higher Education in Crisis: 3 Hosts' Perspectives from the US, UK, and Korea

    In this episode, Drs. Adam Peter Lang, Kamille Beye, and Stella Micheong Cheong engage in a comprehensive three-way discussion regarding the geopolitical and structural challenges facing higher education globally. Dr. Beye begins by highlighting the "tumultuous" landscape in the US, where the Trump administration’s policies against Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) have led to the revocation of research grants and created visa uncertainties for international students. Transitioning to South Korea, Dr. Cheong explains the intense societal pressure surrounding the "SKY" universities, describing a rigid "caste system" where academic credentials determine life success while vocational paths remain deeply stigmatized. Meanwhile, Dr. Lang details the UK’s deepening financial crisis, noting that nearly 40% of universities face deficits, resulting in mergers and significant staff redundancies. Despite these struggles, the hosts conclude with optimism, viewing these crises as potential catalysts for educational reform.       Contact Conversations4citizenship Tweet us @c4c_ed and @stellarcheongBluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.social.Email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.comSubmit your work us at http://www.conversations4citizenship.comYou can now follow the Conversations4Citizenship on Bluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.socialThanks for listening and keeping Conversations4Citizenship podcasting!

    52 min
  3. Episode 05 | Prof. Atherton's Vision on Widening Access: Fighting Inequality in Global Higher Education

    12/22/2025

    Episode 05 | Prof. Atherton's Vision on Widening Access: Fighting Inequality in Global Higher Education

    In this episode, Dr. Adam Peter Lang and Dr. Kamille Beye interview Professor Graeme Atherton about the pressing global challenges of inequality and access in higher education. Professor Atherton, who leads the World Access to Higher Education Network (WAHEN) and the Ruskin Institute for Social Equity, shares his personal journey from a council estate in Blackpool to Oxford University, highlighting how this experience shaped his lifelong dedication to widening participation. He discusses the growing 'ideological pushback' against the value of inclusive education by populist movements and the structural difficulties of adapting elite university systems to serve the majority. The conversation also explores the historic role of Ruskin College in educating working-class adults and the complexities of ensuring international partnerships in the Global South remain genuinely equitable. Finally, Atherton emphasizes the need for curricula to adapt to AI while ensuring marginalized voices remain central to educational policy. This episode is hosted by Dr. Adam Lang. Please subscribe to the podcast through Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music or Audible. You may also follow @c4cpodcast.bsky.social on Bluesky. We look forward to hearing your feedback. If you would like to explore participating in our podcast and submit your blog post to the C4C,  do not hesitate to reach out through the online participation form or email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.com  If you are curious about the World Access to Higher Education Network (WAHEN), check out his new book, 'Making Equal' and visit the WAHEN's website linked below. Atherton, G., & John, P. (Eds.). (2025). Making Equal: New Visions for Opportunity and Growth. Emerald Publishing Limited.World Access to Higher Education Network (WAHEN)Ruskin Institute for Social Equity (RISE) Contact Conversations4citizenship Tweet us @c4c_ed and @stellarcheongBluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.social.Email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.comSubmit your work us at http://www.conversations4citizenship.comYou can now follow the Conversations4Citizenship on Bluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.socialThanks for listening and keeping Conversations4Citizenship podcasting!

    45 min
  4. Episode 04 | Art as Advocacy : Literature and Human Rights Education in the Philippines

    08/22/2025

    Episode 04 | Art as Advocacy : Literature and Human Rights Education in the Philippines

    Professor Rommel Rodriguez, an academic, writer, and staunch human rights advocate from the University of the Philippines, provides a profound overview of the nation's struggle for social justice. He begins by outlining the deep-seated issues of poverty, neocolonialism, and environmental problems that fuel a culture of protest. He details the nation's robust history of protest, from the 1986 People Power Revolution to contemporary movements addressing systemic issues like poverty and corruption. A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the dark legacy of the Ferdinand Marcos dictatorship and the current challenges of historical revisionism, particularly under the current government of Ferdinand Marcos Jr., the son of the former dictator, which seeks to erase the dark parts of the country's past. To counter this, Rommel details his unique approach of using literature and art as tools for advocacy, sharing insights from his university course that teaches human rights through creative works. He argues this method builds empathy and allows for discussions on sensitive topics like political imprisonment. Furthermore, he emphasizes the importance of extending activism beyond the classroom, describing the vital role of student movements in supporting grassroots causes. Despite facing personal risks, including having his book banned, Professor Rodriguez finds hope in collective action. He underscores the power of solidarity among artists, academics, and the Filipino diaspora in creating a potent counter-narrative to official government rhetoric. The episode concludes with his firm belief that educating future generations is the most crucial step toward building a more just and humane Philippine society. This episode is hosted by Dr. Stella Cheong. Please subscribe to the podcast through Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music or Audible. You may also follow @c4cpodcast.bsky.social on Bluesky. We look forward to hearing your feedback. If you would like to explore participating in our podcast and submit your blog post to the C4C,  do not hesitate to reach out through the online participation form or email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.com  If you would like to learn more about the hidden history-- democratization movement and the coup d’état-- in the Philippines, along with insights into the current human rights movement and Prof. Rodriguez’s banned books, please visit the links below. Rommel Rodriguez's CVAuthors unbowed after gov’t ‘purge’ of booksKWF memo banning ‘subversive’ books voidedShortsighted and arrogant moveHere are some of the short documentaries Prof. Rodriguez did about political prisoners in the Philippines Tanikala at Talinhaga 1 (Chained Metaphors)Tanikala at Talinhaga 2Tanikala at Talinhaga 3  Also here are some documentaries about the social illnesses in the Philippines.  *Note. Just some trigger warning because the video contains violent images: Sa Ngalan ng Tubo (In the Name of Profit/Sugarcane)Mendiola Massacre (during the first year of presidency of corazon aquino, 1987)   Contact Conversations4citizenship Tweet us @c4c_ed and @stellarcheongBluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.social.Email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.comSubmit your work us at http://www.conversations4citizenship.comYou can now follow the Conversations4Citizenship on Bluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.socialThanks for listening and keeping Conversations4Citizenship podcasting!

    58 min
  5. Episode 03 | The Virtuous Circle: A Conversation with Dr. Tara Bartlett on Youth Agency and School Participatory Budgeting

    06/30/2025

    Episode 03 | The Virtuous Circle: A Conversation with Dr. Tara Bartlett on Youth Agency and School Participatory Budgeting

    In this episode, Dr. Tara Bartlett details School Participatory Budgeting (SPB) as a transformative democratic process where students decide how a portion of their school’s public budget is spent. Originating in the US in Arizona, this initiative provides students with tangible experience in civic decision-making, moving beyond theoretical education. The process is designed to be inclusive, intentionally engaging students who are not the “usual suspects” in leadership to build their agency and confidence. By taking part in needs assessments, proposal development, and voting, students develop critical 21st-century skills like budgeting, collaboration, and civil discourse. Dr. Bartlett emphasizes that SPB functions as a real-world application of democratic principles, demonstrating to young people that their participation can lead to meaningful improvements in their communities and foster a culture of active, engaged citizenship. The practical impact of School Participatory Budgeting extends far beyond the allocation of funds; it cultivates a deep sense of social justice and civic responsibility among students. Dr. Bartlett shares powerful examples, including elementary students advocating for ADA-accessible playground equipment and high school students successfully lobbying to remove a vendor using prison labor from the district’s approved list. The process also creates direct pathways to wider civic life by partnering with local agencies to register eligible students to vote during SPB election days. This connection between school-level action and formal democratic participation is key. By involving students, parents, and educators, SPB strengthens the entire school ecosystem, breaking down silos and proving that collective, democratic engagement can create more equitable and responsive institutions. This episode is hosted by Dr. Kamille Beye. Please subscribe to the podcast through Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music or Audible. You may also follow @c4cpodcast.bsky.social on Bluesky. We look forward to hearing your feedback. If you would like to explore participating in our podcast and submit your blog post to the C4C,  do not hesitate to reach out through the online participation form or email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.com  If you are curious about School Participatory Budgeting (SPB), check out her new book, 'Educating for Democracy' and visit the Center for the Future of Arizona's website linked below. Schugurensky, D., & Bartlett, T. (Eds.). (2024). Educating for Democracy: The Case for Participatory Budgeting in Schools. Edward Elgar Publishing.The Center for the Future of Arizona  Contact Conversations4citizenship Tweet us @c4c_ed and @stellarcheongBluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.social.Email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.comSubmit your work us at http://www.conversations4citizenship.comYou can now follow the Conversations4Citizenship on Bluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.socialThanks for listening and keeping Conversations4Citizenship podcasting!

    55 min
  6. Episode 02 | Rethinking Knowledge: Vygotsky, AI Ethics, and the Call for Epistemic Pluralism with Dr. Shone Surendran

    05/27/2025

    Episode 02 | Rethinking Knowledge: Vygotsky, AI Ethics, and the Call for Epistemic Pluralism with Dr. Shone Surendran

    Dr. Shone Surendran's unique intellectual path began with aerospace engineering, followed by six transformative years of monastic training in India. This blend of scientific rigor and deep spiritual immersion laid the groundwork for his current role as an academic philosopher. His thinking has been profoundly shaped by non-dualist interpretations of Vygotsky, influenced by German Idealism (via Jan Derry), and rich Indian philosophies like Advaita Vedanta. These diverse influences equipped him with a framework to understand knowledge beyond the confines of traditional Western dualistic perspectives, fostering a more interconnected view of mind, world, and ultimate reality. Working at Amrita University in Kerala, Dr. Surendran develops philosophy modules for cognitive science students, where he has observed firsthand how students from the Global South often feel their indigenous philosophical traditions are undervalued in Western-dominated academia. This phenomenon, which he terms 'epistemic exclusion,' is a central theme in his research. It extends into his work on AI ethics, particularly within NHS genomics projects, where he focuses on effectively communicating complex AI concepts to diverse patient groups and critically examining algorithmic biases, such as the 'colonial bias' embedded in large language models that can perpetuate historical inequalities. Ultimately, Dr. Surendran critiques the 'academic hegemony' of the Global North, passionately advocating for 'philosophical diversity' and 'epistemic pluralism.' His projects, such as autobiographical writing linking superhero narratives to decolonization, exemplify his commitment to bridging diverse domains. He calls on universities to foster genuine intercultural dialogue, acknowledge varied ways of knowing including spiritual traditions, and cultivate truly inclusive learning environments. His work champions a fundamental re-evaluation of knowledge, urging a shift towards a more holistic, equitable, and globally representative approach to education and technology. This episode is hosted by Dr. Adam Lang. Please subscribe to the podcast through Apple, Google, Spotify, or Amazon Music. You may also follow @c4c_ed on Twitter. We look forward to hearing your feedback. If you would like to explore participating in our podcast and submit your blog post to the C4C,  do not hesitate to reach out through the online participation form or email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.com Further Reading ListSurendran, S. (2023). Inferentialism and science education: Towards meaningful communication in primary science classrooms (Doctoral thesis, University College London). https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10172785/Surendran, S., George, S. A., & S, G. (2025). Personal tutoring in the face of philosophical diversity: Critical voices & international perspectives. Research Intelligence, (162), 28–29.Surendran, S. (2025). Superhero representations and philosophical perspectives: From fandom to Brandom. In Y. Chen & N. Robertson (Eds.), Autobiography, fan fiction, and education (pp. 27–49). Bloomsbury Academic publishing. *Note. Publication date is 13 Nov. 2025 (ISBN-13: 978-1666969474; Available to pre-order)Miller, Denise, Emma Towers, and Shone Surendran. (2022). Guest Editors. Decolonising the School Curriculum. London Review of Education. Editorial Doi: https://doi.org/10.14324/LRE.21.1.06. Official URL: https://journals.uclpress.co.uk/lre/collections/511/Miller, D., Surendran, S., & Meheux, M. (2024). Guest Editors. Intersectional Identities, Education, Psychology and Social Justice Part One. Educational and Child Psychology, 41(2), 5-6. Editorial:https://gala.gre.ac.uk/id/eprint/48691/ Official URL: https://explore.bps.org.uk/content/bpsecp/41/2Surendran, S., Meheux, M. & Miller, D. (2025). Guest Editors. Intersectional Identities, Education, Psychology and Social Justice Part Two. Educational and Child Psychology, 42(1), 5-https://explore.bps.org.uk/content/bpsecp/42/1/2, Official URL: https://explore.bps.org.uk/content/bpsecp/42/1Bhambra, Gurminder K., Dalia Gebrial, and Kerem Nisancloglu, eds. (2018). Decolonising the University, 1st ed. Pluto Press.Garfield, J. L., & Van Norden, B. W. (2016, May 11). If philosophy won’t diversify, let’s call it what it really is. The New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/opinion/if-philosophy-wont-diversify-lets-call-it-what-it-really-is.htmlWong, S. H. M., Gishen, F., & Lokugamage, A. U. (2021). ‘Decolonising the Medical Curriculum’: Humanising medicine through epistemic pluralism, cultural safety and critical consciousness. London Review of Education, 19(1). https://doi.org/10.14324/lre.19.1.16Derry, J. (2013). Vygotsky: Philosophy and education. John Wiley & Sons.Dafermos, Manolis. 2018. Rethinking Cultural-historical Theory: A Dialectical Perspective to Vygotsky, vol. 4. Singapore: Springer.Dafermos, Manolis. 2018. “Relating Dialogue and Dialectics: a Philosophical Perspective.” Dialogic Pedagogy, 6: Online. https://doi .org /10 .5195 /dpj .2018 .189.Bakhurst, David. 2011. The Formation of Reason. Malden, MA: Wiley.Webb, S. (2023). Interpreting Kant for Education: Dissolving Dualisms and Embodying Mind: John Wiley & Sons.Brandom, R. (2009). Articulating reasons: An introduction to inferentialism. Harvard University Press.Bransen, J. (2002). Normativity as the key to objectivity: An exploration of Robert Brandom's articulating reasons. Inquiry, 45(3), 373-391.Guru, Nataraja. (1990). Life and Teachings of Narayana Guru. Varkala, Narayana Gurukula Foundation.Guru, Nataraja (2005). Unitive Philosophy. New Delhi: D.K. Printworld.Prasad, Muni Narayana. (2009). Narayana Guru: Complete Works. India: National Book Trust.Yati, N. C. (2013). That Alone: The Core of Wisdom. New Delhi: D.K. Printworld.**If you would like to learn more about Amrita University, feel free to click here.   Contact Conversations4citizenship Tweet us @c4c_ed and @stellarcheongBluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.social.Email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.comSubmit your work us at http://www.conversations4citizenship.comYou can now follow the Conversations4Citizenship on Bluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.socialThanks for listening and keeping Conversations4Citizenship podcasting!

    54 min
  7. Episode 01| Youth in Action : Democratic Resilience After Martial Law in South Korea

    04/05/2025

    Episode 01| Youth in Action : Democratic Resilience After Martial Law in South Korea

    *NOTE. This episode was recorded in January, 2025 The first episode of Season 4 features three Korean university students—Yebin, Yoosun, and Junseo—who participated in protests following President Yoon Suk Yeol's declaration of martial law on December 3, 2024.  Initially, the students were shocked by the unprecedented military presence, describing the scene as "chaotic" and "unrealistic." Throughout the conversation, they explain their backgrounds in activism, ranging from labor rights to feminism and LGBTQ+ advocacy. They attribute the current crisis not only to Yoon's "incapability as a leader" but also to fundamental flaws in South Korea's constitutional system, particularly the "five-year imperial presidency." Furthermore, they critically assess South Korea's education system, noting its failure to adequately teach civic engagement and democratic values. Despite this, they acknowledge how history lessons about past resistance movements have inspired current protests. Looking ahead, the students express concern about growing political polarization but remain cautiously optimistic. They emphasize the importance of constitutional reform, stronger civic education, and continued solidarity among diverse groups. Most importantly, they stress that democracy requires constant vigilance, noting that "suspending Yoon from his duty does not automatically restore democracy." To young people around the world facing the rise of far-right movements, Korean youth emphasize the importance of solidarity and coalition-building. As Junseo points out, "We need to have coalition and solidarity under the ideas that we think are important, like equality, peace or antiwar." Moreover, they stress that democracy requires constant vigilance, as Yoosun notes, "Citizens must maintain their views and keep watching." In essence, the democratic crisis is not someone else's problem—it requires collective action across generations and borders to protect and strengthen democratic values worldwide. Contact Conversations4citizenship Tweet us @c4c_ed and @stellarcheongBluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.social.Email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.comSubmit your work us at http://www.conversations4citizenship.comYou can now follow the Conversations4Citizenship on Bluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.socialThanks for listening and keeping Conversations4Citizenship podcasting!

    57 min
  8. 12/25/2024

    Season 3 Reflections and 2024 Year in Review with Dr. Adam Lang and Dr. Stella Cheong

    The special 2024 review episode of the Conversations4Citizenship podcast takes a deep dive into a year marked by turbulence and inspiration, showcasing the resilience of global citizenship in the face of immense challenges. Hosted by Dr. Adam Peter Lang and Dr. Stella Micheong Cheong, the episode reflects on pivotal events such as elections in over half the world, revolutions in Bangladesh and Syria, ongoing wars in Gaza and Ukraine, democratic protests in South Korea, and the evolving role of AI governance in peacebuilding. The hosts reaffirm the podcast’s mission to foster understanding and dialogue amidst an ever-changing geopolitical landscape. The episode revisits highlights from Season 3, which tackled pressing issues like misinformation, inequality, civic engagement, youth activism, and creative research methods. Notable discussions included "critical harmony" in education, technology’s potential for peacebuilding, and strategies for navigating democratic resistance. These conversations featured distinguished experts who brought fresh insights into the challenges of our time. Looking ahead to 2025, Season 4 promises an exciting shift in focus. The podcast will spotlight activists and practitioners working on the frontlines of social change, amplifying voices from diverse contexts. To enhance global dialogue, a new interactive website will also be launched, encouraging deeper engagement with listeners worldwide. As they close the episode, the hosts share a hopeful message for justice and harmony in the coming year. Now reaching listeners in 71 countries, Conversations4Citizenship Podcast has solidified its place as a leading platform for citizenship and human rights education—an essential resource for navigating today’s complex world. Contact Conversations4citizenship Tweet us @c4c_ed and @stellarcheongBluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.social.Email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.comSubmit your work us at http://www.conversations4citizenship.comYou can now follow the Conversations4Citizenship on Bluesky @c4cpodcast.bsky.socialThanks for listening and keeping Conversations4Citizenship podcasting!

    15 min

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Are you an educator or researcher seeking reliable resources about citizenship and human rights education? Are you interested in the burning issues of the day -- injustice, political polarization, politics of hate, economic populism, human rights violations, disinformation, racial and ethnic conflict and in other places -- and would like the opportunity to converse with experts on these topics? #Conversations4Citizenship is an educational resource for you. Each month, the podcast explores new ideas, insights and knowledge about citizenship and human rights education through fascinating conversations with scholars, doctoral students and practitioners across the world who have been involved in these fields of work or study. Each episode is hosted by experienced researchers from the Institute of Education, UCL's Faculty of Education and Society and Yonsei University: Dr. Adam Lang, Dr. Kamille Beye and Dr. Stella Mi-cheong Cheong. In season three of #Conversations4citizenship, we are inviting any interested citizenship and human rights education researchers and practitioners to also join our podcast as possible guests. For expressions of interest, please click on the Join Us! link at the top of this page, and we will contact you shortly. You may email us at conversations4citizenship@gmail.com. Let us know what you think! Thank you for your kind support. ©Copyright 2025 conversations4citizenship-All rights reserved