Episode Notes Alicia and I discuss Moccona, a freeze-dried instant coffee we both enjoy. Welcome to Conversations with Kerry, a series of audio interactions with people and things in my world that I find interesting. If you have any comments, queries, questions, or feedback, you can find me as at K-H-O-A-T-H on Twitter, or email me kerry@gotss.net. Thanks for listening and I hope you enjoy the podcast. Welcome, everybody, to this episode of Conversations with Kerry and day four of ADHD medication. Can we tell there is actually podcasts on a reasonably regular schedule? So here's another episode, and I have invited along this time the delightful, ineffable Alicia, welcome. Thank you. What kind of word was anyway? Ineffable. It means to look that one up. Awesome Yeah. We have to get a definition for ineffable. As you can hear, she's had quite the audio upgrade from last time. If anybody who's been following my podcast for some time, original podcast we had her on was the Doc and Alicia Fun with Hypnosis podcast, episode 15? I believe it was episode 15. And if anybody has any feedback, comments, would you like to see more of Alicia or less of Alicia on the podcast? I don't know if I want the answer to that. Well, maybe not. I would like to see more of her on the podcast because I love podcasting with people. It's fun. We're up here on Riverside on Sunday, the 3 October 2021, and I put that on just because so many of my recordings don't have dates on them. And then I go back and listen to them later and sort of go, when did that happen? So here we are today. We're talking about Moccona coffee, or we're talking about coffee. Now, I've had some interesting experiences with coffee. Coffee, when I used to drink a lot of it when I was younger, would cause me quite bad reflux. And we'll come back to that thought in a minute. And in fact, when I have been to America, and I've been to America four times, which is where Alicia is from, their coffee is made in pots and French presses. Well, how did you used to make your coffee? Actually, as a case in point, just- You know, pot or keurig. Pot or keurig. Okay, so bit of keurig coffee, bit of pot coffee. Take a few cups out of the pot throughout the day. That's a common thing No, not throughout the day. Yuck. Okay. Just in breakfast. Okay. Well, I mean, if you're I'm not opposed to having coffee throughout the day. What I'm saying is you make a fresh pot of it because letting it sit in the pot and then getting it later and heating it up in the microwave. There are people who do subscribe to this, I'll believe. Abomination. That's the problem. It is an abomination. Yes, I know. That is no, not you. Okay. All right. So we have a coffee connoisseur in. Our midst, which is that's kind of funny. I'll tell you why later, but anyway okay, no worries. So you used to drink either keurig coffee or pot coffee. Now, for people who aren't in the US. Keurig is one of those. Actually, I think it ends with a G. Keurig. Yeah, it is. K-E-U-R-I-G-I believe Keurig. Okay. Keurig coffee is one of the American coffee pod systems. So if you want to make a lot of okay coffee quickly with minimum fuss, many people default to a keurig. They probably shouldn't, but it's convenience over yum. I was going to say I believe kind of where that trend got going was for offices. Initially, people would have the keurig, paper cups, sugar packets, creamers, there's your coffee station with a minimum of mess. You weren't pouring out of a pot, you weren't making a bunch. And then either having too many people try to get coffee and there wasn't enough, or vice versa, you'd make a pot that doesn't get gone because you'd have those really big industrial, commercial office size pots. So I think that's kind of where they got started, was in offices, because someone could just make their own the way they wanted it, minimal mess. There you have it, and it ended up migrating into everybody's homes. Interestingly enough, and this reminds me of the inkjet printer on every desk that we used to have in offices. Like, I can't use the main printer, so I will have an inkjet on my desk. So keurig was the solution to that for coffee, because certain smaller offices would have a keurig in them rather than having a building coffee machine. Yeah, okay. No, that's all very interesting. I have had keurig coffee. It's not that great, in my opinion. It goes from blur to not so bad, basically. Yeah. If you want coffee and you have to have coffee and you're in a hurry, give me coffee now. Keurig. No problem. All right, so what was the problem with coffee for you? I remember you talking to me earlier in the year and just you can't drink as much coffee as you like. Yeah, well, backing that up for a second, just because I'm amused by you calling me a coffee connoisseur. I did not start drinking coffee till this 2015, so until I was 35 years old. I always loved the smell of it when I was growing up. I mean, I loved how coffee smelled, and I even because I liked the smell, I wanted to like the drink, and I never did. I used to say it tasted like water with dirt in it. Yes, I said that for years. A lot of people think that. And I was introduced to coffee when I was five, just as an interesting counterpoint, but I actually drank it. I was in the paddock, and I'm like, what have we got? And they've got, well, we've got water and we've got coffee. And I said, well, can I please have some coffee? And so they poured me a cup and you're not really supposed to give coffee to five year olds, but no, this was 1981 and the world was a different place. And I remember drinking coffee and tea at age six, which was quite a surprise to a lot of the people who were adults at the time, sort of saying, are you allowed this? Yes. Would you like to call my mum? Oh, no, we'll give it to you. Yeah. I thought it tasted like water with dirt in it. And I always said that for years. And people always said, oh, when you go to college and you start doing all nighters and staying awake doing homework, you'll acquire taste for it. Nope. When you work full time, you'll acquire taste for it. No. It actually took my now late husband getting cancer in 2015 and me only being able to sleep for about 4 hours at a stretch at one point, that I'm just like, oh, my God, caffeine, caffeine, I need it. And it became initially a battlefield necessity, and I put about as much cream and sugar in it as the thing could hold. People used to tease me, that wasn't coffee, that was dessert. And I knew I was actually getting to like coffee when it was like, oh, that's too much cream and sugar. So let's cut back on it. Let's cut back some more. That's too much. Oh, there's none in here. Okay. So, not quite what we're getting into in this podcast, but an interesting jump off point for another one. Isn't it fascinating how experience and circumstance alters our likes and dislikes without going into any further information on that No, it's okay. But that's when I finally started drinking it, then acquired a taste for it, like everyone told me for the past 20 some OD years that I would. Yeah. And essentially for you, it was a case of needs must when the devil drives. Yeah, it was basically battlefield necessity at that point, but it turned into yum yum and became something I enjoyed, not just something I needed. Okay, but you were saying at the beginning of the year that you couldn't drink as much of it as you wanted to Yeah, I lived on it from about 2015 through the middle of 2018, and it was fine. And yes, American coffee, but we actually got the good stuff, not folders or Maxwell House, because yuck. But anyway, I could drink it just fine. And then in the latter half of 2018, it really started messing with my acid reflux. You mentioned reflux earlier and to the point where it didn't matter what else I put in it, people are like, oh, cut it with milk, do this, do this. No, reflux city. And I actually had to, for a while, stop drinking it altogether. By the way, the caffeine withdrawal headaches are hell rival any migraine. Oh, my God. There was about a year and some where I didn't drink it at all, or if I was going to, I kind of paid for it. Yeah. Now, fascinatingly enough, without getting into too much, caffeine is one of the most common over the counter stimulants consumed by the world's population. Absolutely. I don't think anybody would argue that point. And so many people. Partake of tea, coffee, various other drinks, mountain Dew is yeah, I agree. Is often inhaled by programmers for focus and things like that. Okay. So I was messing with acid reflux, and in fact, I remember talking to you towards the beginning of the year and saying, do you drink coffee? Because we were getting to know each other and we were talking about everything and do you drink coffee? Was one of the important questions that came up. Absolutely. This is a make or break thing. Or no kidding, it is. And I mean, obviously we haven't gone into which audiobook Narrators do you like because that's when the fight started. But we did ask about coffee, and you had said that it had messed with your reflux, and as most people in the world do, you had a birthday. And I had discussed the instant coffee that I drink. Now, my experience with most Americans, as soon as you say instant coffee, the response is yuck. And that was mine. Instant coffee is it's like white chocolate is to chocolate. Instant coffee is to coffee if you speak to the serious coffee drinkers. And I had said to Alicia that I thought that instant coffee, as far as Moccona was concerned, was actually not a bad instant coffee as far as instant coffees were concerned. So I bought Alicia a jar of it for her birthday, and it was a little jar. That was the first little jar of Moccona you ordered off Amazon. How did you find I remember being with you the first time you made some up. When Kerry was first talking about instant coffee,