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  1. What happens when you outgrow your messaging? w/ Huntress CEO Kyle Hanslovan

    8月25日

    What happens when you outgrow your messaging? w/ Huntress CEO Kyle Hanslovan

    Huntress has transformed from a scrappy startup to a cybersecurity powerhouse, approaching $200M ARR while protecting over 175,000 businesses. In this return appearance on Unicorn Builders, Kyle Hanslovan, CEO & Co-Founder of Huntress, shares the brutal realities of scaling from 200 to 550 employees, the costly mistakes that nearly derailed their growth, and the unconventional strategies that built their partner-first empire. Having crossed the centaur milestone ($100M ARR), Kyle reveals why revenue matters more than valuations and how defending company culture becomes the hardest challenge at scale. Topics Discussed: The challenges of scaling from 200 to 550 employees while defending company culture Huntress's biggest strategic mistake: failing to communicate their ability to serve larger companies The evolution from "security for the 99%" to "cybersecurity for all businesses, not just the 1%" Why Kyle prioritizes revenue milestones over valuations and unicorn status The decision to remain partner-first rather than going direct to customers Building multi-tenancy and "what have I done for you lately" reporting from day one The harsh reality of "stepping over corpses" as companies scale rapidly Maintaining the "send it" culture while growing 10x in size Why Kyle might not start the company again despite $2B valuation GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Embed yourself in your partners' operations: Kyle spent one day per week working inside early MSP partners' offices, learning their operations firsthand. This wasn't about reading case studies or hiring consultants—it was about feeling their pain directly. This approach gave him a decade-long competitive advantage in understanding how channel partners actually work. B2B founders should consider similar embedding strategies with their most important customers or partners to gain deep operational insights. Solve the financial equation, not just the technical problem: The pivotal moment came when partner Toby asked Kyle, "How do I buy your product and still afford a boat?" This forced Kyle to understand that partners need to make money, not just deliver value. He learned to articulate exactly how Huntress reduced cost of goods sold, improved talent retention, and created 50% margins for partners. B2B founders must understand their partners' or customers' complete financial picture and show how their solution improves profitability. Build for multi-tenancy from day one: Kyle discovered that partners need to segment customers with individual dashboards, role-based access, and custom reporting. Bolting on multi-tenancy later creates crushing technical debt that can force architecture rebuilds. B2B founders building channel-based solutions must architect for multi-tenancy from the beginning, regardless of how simple their initial product seems. Communicate your evolution or risk being trapped by early positioning: Huntress's biggest mistake was building capability to serve 10,000+ employee companies while still being perceived as only serving 50-person companies. This positioning hurt valuations, deal wins, and prevented prospects from seeing themselves in Huntress's mission. B2B founders must actively communicate their expanding capabilities and market position as they grow, not assume the market will figure it out. Hire people better than you or prepare to be replaced: Kyle's most direct advice to founders is that rapid growth requires constantly "stepping over corpses" of good people who can't scale fast enough. He warns new executives that they must work both "in" and "on" the business simultaneously, or risk being replaced every 18-24 months. B2B founders should set clear expectations about growth pace and hire people who are already ahead of the company's current needs. Maintain speed as a cultural imperative: Kyle's "send it" philosophy isn't just about moving fast—it's about maintaining the ability to prioritize customer emergencies over process. He argues that losing this speed is symptomatic of deeper cultural rot including too much bureaucracy and mission drift. B2B founders must evangelize speed and directness throughout their organization, especially as they add layers of management.     //   Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io   The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe. www.GlobalTalent.co

    52 分鐘
  2. How Upgrade built 6 billion-dollar products by designing for multi-product from day one | Renaud Laplanche

    8月20日

    How Upgrade built 6 billion-dollar products by designing for multi-product from day one | Renaud Laplanche

    Upgrade is revolutionizing consumer financial services through their multi-product platform that helps customers improve their credit while saving money. With over 7 million customers, Upgrade has scaled rapidly since its founding in 2017. In this episode of Unicorn Builders, we sat down with Renaud Laplanche, Co-founder and CEO of Upgrade, to discuss how he built his second fintech unicorn after pioneering the industry with Lending Club, and how he applied critical lessons from his first venture to create a more sustainable, diversified business model. Topics Discussed: The rapid scaling of Upgrade from launch to $1 billion in loan volume in less than a year Creating a multi-product fintech ecosystem rather than a single-product company How Upgrade's modular technology architecture enables rapid product development The advantages of a multi-channel customer acquisition strategy Building complementary products that work together to solve customer financial needs Strategic acquisition of Uplift to strengthen Buy Now, Pay Later capabilities How Upgrade balances revenue streams to remain resilient through different economic conditions   GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Design your architecture for product expansion: Renaud built Upgrade's technology with a modular, componentized architecture of microservices that could be rearranged for different products. This allowed them to reuse 70% of their codebase when launching their second product, dramatically accelerating time-to-market for new offerings. Create complementary product sequences: Upgrade deliberately sequenced their product launches to create natural cross-selling opportunities. Their personal loans (which consolidate existing credit card debt) pair perfectly with their credit card (which handles future spending more responsibly). Think about how your initial products can lead customers to need your next offerings. Leverage low-CAC entry points: Upgrade acquires 75% of new users through their Buy Now, Pay Later partnerships at virtually no customer acquisition cost, then cross-sells higher-margin products. As Renaud explains, "BNPL is only 20% of our revenue, but 75% of our user acquisitions." Find your own low-friction entry points that can feed your higher-margin business lines. Build resilience through diversification: Upgrade created a balanced portfolio of products that perform differently across economic cycles. Their unsecured lending thrives when the economy is strong, while secured loans provide stability during downturns. This diversification allows them to "lean on different products depending on the environment." Optimize the second time around: When building Upgrade after Lending Club, Renaud focused on recurring revenue and customer relationships: "At Lending Club, we had mostly one product with revenue that was very front-loaded. Every quarter you had to go out and earn revenue. Upgrade is entirely different—it's a lot of recurring revenue." Design your business model to create predictable, sustainable growth rather than constantly chasing new customers.   //   Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io   The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe. www.GlobalTalent.co

    30 分鐘
  3. The power (and importance) of being founder-led w/ NinjaOne's Sal Sferlazza ($5B)

    8月14日

    The power (and importance) of being founder-led w/ NinjaOne's Sal Sferlazza ($5B)

    NinjaOne has emerged as a dominant force in IT endpoint management, recently raising $500 million and positioning itself to become one of the largest IT software companies globally. The company serves two distinct buyer personas: internal IT departments at companies with 100-100,000 endpoints, and managed service providers (MSPs) who act as outsourced IT departments for SMBs. In this episode of Unicorn Builders, CEO and Co-Founder Sal Sferlazza shares how NinjaOne entered a "hyper-saturated" market with 11-12 entrenched competitors and built a next-generation platform that customers actually want to use. Topics Discussed: NinjaOne's strategy of entering a saturated market with next-generation cloud-first technology The company's dual buyer persona approach serving both internal IT and MSPs Sal's decision to throttle growth early to build product stability and customer trust The minimal marketing approach that relied primarily on outbound sales until recently Maintaining engineering agility through a single, homogeneous technology stack The recent acquisition of Dros and approach to strategic M&A Building unlimited TAM through product interplay rather than individual product innovation Founder-led culture and the importance of staying connected to customers GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Follow customer signals even when they contradict your initial strategy: Sal discovered NinjaOne's second major buyer persona (internal IT departments) completely by accident when large companies started calling inbound despite zero messaging targeting them. "Once we turn on paid advertising early in our journey, we started getting very large internal IT departments calling inbound when none of our messaging or branding was geared towards those departments." B2B founders should remain agile enough to pursue unexpected market signals that demonstrate genuine product-market fit. Throttle growth to build long-term competitive advantages: Despite having the ability to grow faster, Sal deliberately slowed growth in the early years to ensure product stability and exceptional customer support. "You know, it takes years to build trust with customers and a day to lose it... I think we took a thoughtful approach and we wanted to build a reputation for an exceptional product and unbelievable support." This contrarian approach to Silicon Valley's "growth at all costs" mentality allowed NinjaOne to build sustainable competitive moats. Maintain technical agility through architectural discipline: NinjaOne's competitive advantage stems from having all products built on a single, modern technology stack. "All of your engineering and product development efforts are on a single stack, a newer stack, and all coded in the same language... we could fabricate a new development team from the ether in like a week because everyone's on a homogeneous stack." B2B founders should resist the temptation to acquire companies or build disparate systems that reduce long-term engineering velocity. Leverage market timing and secular trends: NinjaOne's success coincided with the perfect storm of distributed workforce, device proliferation, budget constraints, and tool consolidation needs. "We live in a world where there's distributed workforce now... there's a continuous stream of devices... There's wallet consolidation and there's tool consolidation." B2B founders should identify and align their solutions with multiple simultaneous market trends that create compounding demand. Distinguish between customer needs and wants through data: With unlimited expansion opportunities, Sal emphasizes the critical skill of prioritization. "One of the hardest things is to separate... needs versus wants. There's probably some features requests that have come in that have been asked for eight years, but no customer ever left and no customer did not buy." B2B founders must develop the discipline to build what customers actually need rather than everything they ask for.     //   Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io   The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe. www.GlobalTalent.co

    23 分鐘
  4. Waseem Daher:  The tech-enabled services model that investors hated: How Pilot combined software and humans when everyone wanted pure SaaS | Waseem Daher (Pilot.com)

    7月21日

    Waseem Daher: The tech-enabled services model that investors hated: How Pilot combined software and humans when everyone wanted pure SaaS | Waseem Daher (Pilot.com)

    Pilot has transformed how startups and SMBs handle their financial back office operations, combining technology with human expertise to deliver end-to-end accounting and tax services. As a tech-enabled services company serving thousands of businesses, Pilot represents a new category of back office automation that goes beyond traditional software solutions. In this episode of Category Visionaries, I sat down with Waseem Daher, Founder and Executive Chair of Pilot, to explore how the company built a trusted brand in a high-trust industry and scaled through strategic GTM decisions. Topics Discussed: Pilot's $400K domain purchase decision and its impact on brand credibility The evolution from startup-focused to full SMB market expansion Building a tech-enabled services model in an era obsessed with pure software Creating highly targeted, industry-specific marketing campaigns Scaling customer acquisition beyond founder networks through quality and word-of-mouth The strategic decision to stay in the weeds with customer interactions GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Plan for success with brand investments: Pilot spent $400K of their seed funding on the pilot.com domain, representing about a third of their raised capital. Daher explained their rationale: "You kind of need to plan for success, meaning in the case that the company is doing super well in a decade, you'll be super happy to be owning your brand." For high-trust service businesses, credibility signals like premium domains become essential sales assets. B2B founders should consider that brand investments may not show immediate ROI but compound over time, especially in industries where trust is paramount. Focus on secondary trust signals for complex purchases: When customers can't easily evaluate service quality, they rely heavily on secondary signals. Daher drew parallels to choosing a doctor: "It's like well, is the office clean? Is it convenient to me, like do they wear a white coat? Do my friends say they're good?" For B2B services that require deep trust, founders should invest in every touchpoint that signals credibility and professionalism, from domain names to office presentation to customer testimonials. Use the hardest customer segment to build generalized solutions: Pilot deliberately targeted startups first, not because they were the best fit, but because they represented the most challenging version of the problem. Daher noted: "The startup ranges from literally we support people that are like the day after they have incorporated...and we support companies with many hundreds of people with a VP of finance and a controller." By solving for the extremes, they built a platform that could serve any customer in their target market. B2B founders should consider starting with the most demanding segment to stress-test their solution's flexibility. Create marketing that only you can execute: Pilot's most successful marketing campaigns leveraged their unique position and expertise. Their Delaware franchise tax campaign exemplified this - they identified when scary tax letters would arrive, provided genuinely helpful education, and offered free assistance. Daher emphasized: "The things I like the most are when we have gotten very into the mind of the buyer to ask genuinely, what do they care about and how can we help them?" B2B founders should develop marketing strategies that leverage their unique insights and capabilities rather than generic approaches any competitor could copy. Stay customer-proximate even as you scale: Despite Pilot's growth, Daher still personally responds to customer emails and participates in sales calls. He sold the first 100+ accounts himself and continues staying close to customers. "I think it is tempting to believe, oh, I just hire the head of sales and I hire the marketing and like they'll just go and figure it out...I think that's a huge mistake." For B2B founders, maintaining direct customer contact prevents developing an outdated understanding of buyer needs and market dynamics as the company grows. Embrace tech-enabled services over pure software: While the market favored pure software solutions, Pilot chose a hybrid model combining technology with human expertise. Daher explained their reasoning: "I have never, ever talked to a business owner who has said like, gosh, I really want to buy accounting software. It's like, no, just like solve the problem for me." B2B founders should focus on delivering complete solutions rather than tools, even if it means accepting lower margins initially, as customers increasingly value outcomes over features.       //   Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io   The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe. www.GlobalTalent.co

    35 分鐘
  5. How Gusto scaled to 400,000+ customers without traditional sales: The consumer-first B2B playbook ($9.5B Valuation)

    7月1日

    How Gusto scaled to 400,000+ customers without traditional sales: The consumer-first B2B playbook ($9.5B Valuation)

    Gusto has taken a radically different approach to B2B software for small businesses. While most companies serving SMBs treat them as a stepping stone to enterprise markets, Gusto has made small businesses their forever home. Founded in 2012 as ZenPayroll, the company now serves over 400,000 customers with a valuation exceeding $9 billion. In this episode of Unicorn Builders, Tomer London, Co-founder and Chief Product Officer of Gusto, reveals the unconventional go-to-market playbook that built one of the most beloved software companies in the SMB space. Topics Discussed: Gusto's consumer-first approach to B2B software design and marketing The evolution from invite-only beta to 300,000+ customers Building customer obsession through emotional journey mapping Scaling customer feedback loops from 10 to 2,000+ employees The strategic decision to stay focused on SMBs instead of moving upmarket Multi-phase go-to-market strategy from word-of-mouth to paid channels Brand development focused on personality over positioning The launch of Gusto Embedded for platform partnerships Future expansion into compliance automation for small businesses GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Treat SMBs like consumers, not enterprises: Tomer's most important insight was recognizing that small businesses make purchasing decisions more like consumers than enterprises. Instead of deploying traditional B2B tactics like cold calling and enterprise sales processes, Gusto focused on building a product people love, measuring success through NPS, and relying on word-of-mouth growth. This consumer-oriented approach enabled them to scale to hundreds of thousands of customers without heavy reliance on human-driven sales processes. Map the emotional journey of every user interaction: Gusto institutionalized customer empathy through design critiques that plot the emotional ups and downs of user experiences. They ask: "Where can we make the highs higher and help lift people from emotional lows?" For example, they celebrate moments like getting paid while providing extra support during difficult tasks like layoffs. B2B founders should systematically examine every customer touchpoint and design experiences that acknowledge the human emotions involved in business processes. Create listening posts throughout your organization: Early on, Gusto's entire team heard every customer support call in their shared workspace. As they scaled to 2,000+ employees, they built systematic "listening posts" - Slack channels that automatically funnel customer feedback from NPS surveys, social media, and in-app interactions to the entire building team. This ensures great ideas come from everywhere and keeps the entire organization connected to customer voices. Focus relentlessly on where customers are happiest: Rather than trying to serve all SMBs equally, Gusto measured where they had the highest NPS scores, strongest referrals, and most organic growth. They doubled down on these segments and industries for several years until reaching $10 million ARR. B2B founders should resist the temptation to expand too broadly and instead identify their happiest customer segments and go deep with them first. Phase your go-to-market strategy deliberately: Gusto's GTM evolved through distinct phases: (1) Invite-only with 20-50 design partners focused on product development, (2) Opening the funnel while testing different channels with one person, (3) Going all-in on what worked (PR, content, social media), (4) Adding paid channels years later, and (5) Building strategic partnerships with accountants. Each phase had clear success metrics and graduation criteria before moving to the next.     //   Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io   The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe. www.GlobalTalent.co

    33 分鐘
  6. The wild GTM story behind Metropolis raising $2B to take a company private and get their tech adopted faster | Alex Israel

    6月20日

    The wild GTM story behind Metropolis raising $2B to take a company private and get their tech adopted faster | Alex Israel

    Metropolis is transforming the century-old parking industry through AI-powered computer vision technology and an aggressive acquisition strategy. With over $2 billion in funding, the company has become the largest parking operator in the United States, serving over 4,600 locations across 400+ cities and processing millions of transactions daily. In this episode of Unicorn Builders, Alex Israel, Co-Founder & CEO of Metropolis, shares how his team pioneered the "Growth Buyout" (GBO) strategy—using venture capital to acquire profitable old-world businesses and modernize them with cutting-edge technology. Topics Discussed: Metropolis's evolution from a four-person garage startup to the largest parking operator in America The strategic pivot from organic growth to acquiring established parking management companies How Metropolis took a public company private with $1.6B in Series C funding The company's expansion beyond parking into drive-throughs, car washes, and gas stations Building seamless commerce experiences across the mobility ecosystem The future of Growth Buyouts as a scaling strategy for tech companies GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Pioneer Growth Buyouts when organic GTM hits walls: Alex discovered that traditional B2B sales weren't working with risk-averse real estate owners who wouldn't hand over keys to their $200M developments to a startup. Instead of grinding through years of slow sales cycles, Metropolis used venture capital to acquire profitable parking management companies, instantly gaining access to 500+ locations and 2x-ing their EBITDA. B2B founders facing similar enterprise resistance should consider whether strategic acquisitions can unlock distribution faster than organic growth. Focus on revenue synergy, not just cost synergy: Alex warns that cost synergy alone isn't a durable growth strategy. Metropolis succeeded because their technology drove incremental revenue for partners—in some cases over 100% revenue increases at individual locations worth millions of dollars. B2B founders pursuing acquisition strategies must identify how their technology creates new value and captures incremental revenue, not just reduces operational costs. Build for the entire ecosystem, not just point solutions: Rather than staying narrowly focused on parking payments, Alex positioned Metropolis as a seamless commerce platform across the mobility ecosystem. This vision enabled expansion into drive-throughs, car washes, gas stations, and charging stations where the same "pull up and drive away" experience creates value. B2B founders should think beyond their initial use case and design platforms that can scale across adjacent workflows and industries. Develop "delusional" conviction while staying pragmatic: Alex emphasizes the importance of "strong convictions loosely held"—being able to filter through constant advice and feedback while maintaining belief in your vision. He describes successful entrepreneurs as having the "delusion" that they can succeed where others have failed, combined with the pragmatism to know when to persist versus when to pivot. B2B founders must balance unwavering conviction in their core thesis with tactical flexibility in execution. Target industries where you can create "irrefutable value": Metropolis focused on consumer obsession—creating remarkable experiences that generated undeniable value for both end users and business partners. This approach made their value proposition so compelling that they became the "first port of call" for major asset owners. B2B founders should prioritize creating experiences so differentiated that customers can't imagine operating without them, rather than competing on features or pricing alone.     //   Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io   The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe. www.GlobalTalent.co

    21 分鐘
  7. Andrew Farah: Density's Enterprise Hardware Playbook - When Great Product Becomes Great Marketing ($1B+ Valuation)

    4月3日

    Andrew Farah: Density's Enterprise Hardware Playbook - When Great Product Becomes Great Marketing ($1B+ Valuation)

    Density began with a simple problem: wanting to know how busy a coffee shop was before trekking through the snow. Eleven years later, it has evolved into a company measuring human occupancy across some of the world's most valuable real estate. In this episode of Unicorn Builders, Andrew Farah shares Density's journey from a side project to a pioneering force in measuring how space is used. Andrew explains how Density overcame the five critical challenges in people-counting technology—being real-time, accurate, anonymous, low-cost, and self-installable—and how these innovations are now transforming how organizations understand and design their physical spaces. Topics Discussed: The origin of Density as a solution to check a coffee shop's busyness Why existing people-counting technologies failed in real-world applications The evolution from serving coffee shops to corporate real estate giants Density's expansion into airport lounges, universities, and government buildings The five critical requirements for effective people-counting technology How Density's insights revealed that 40% of commercial real estate goes unused The impact of the pandemic on office utilization measurement The monumentally inefficient use of federal buildings (9% peak utilization)   GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Compress your sales cycle by building a "sales-ready" product: Andrew referenced Jim Goetz's "Templeton Compression" philosophy, which advocates for products that can close deals in the first meeting. The ideal B2B product should allow prospects to immediately see themselves using it, turning everything after that initial demo into "just paperwork." B2B founders should design products that create those "aha moments" for prospects as quickly as possible. Design your product to accelerate the sales cycle: Andrew emphasized that "your sales motion is an outflow of the product you build, more so than the team you construct." When Density finally achieved all five critical attributes (real-time, accurate, anonymous, low-cost, and self-installable), it dramatically changed their sales cycle and motion. B2B founders should prioritize features that remove friction from the buying process over those that merely add capability. Demonstrate real-world problems to prospects with data they can't ignore: Density's most powerful sales moments came from showing customers data they couldn't access elsewhere - like when Linkedin's workplace strategist realized he had no visibility into how their buildings were used despite managing millions in real estate. Effective GTM strategies often involve revealing to prospects what they don't know about their own operations. Turn side quests into viral marketing opportunities: Density's public visualization of federal building utilization generated 9.7 million impressions in 24 hours after being amplified by Elon Musk. The project began as a "side quest" analyzing public data about government building usage. B2B founders should look for opportunities to repurpose their core expertise into shareable, data-driven content that demonstrates their unique insights. Find problems hiding massive inefficiencies: Density discovered that 40% of commercial real estate (worth $150 billion) sits vacant but paid for—a problem that existed before the pandemic but wasn't visible to decision-makers. B2B founders should look for high-value problems where crucial data is missing, as solving these visibility gaps can unlock enormous customer value.   //   Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io   The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe. www.GlobalTalent.co

    43 分鐘

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Learn from GTM journeys of B2B tech founders who’ve built companies worth more than $1 billion. This show is brought to you by FrontLines.io

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