Deep Work Out Loud

Julie Harris Oliver

Welcome to Deep Work: Out Loud, The thinking that fuels our life, our work, and our leadership. I'm Julie Harris Oliver. This is the podcast where I sit with another professional coach and we do some work around a single concept, piece of inspiration, a topic we've seen come up in coaching. If we're very lucky, while talking about it, we might demonstrate what coaching might look and feel like. But we'll see how this goes. It's all an experiment. With any luck, you will leave with something you can apply and use in your work or your life or both.

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    Identity in Transition with Ben Basilan | Deep Work Out Loud

    Host Julie Harris Oliver welcomes transition and emerging leaders coach Ben Basilan, who shares how layoffs in his industry and his background in counseling and UX research led him to coaching. They explore identity as a root issue in major transitions such as becoming a manager or small business owner, experiencing layoffs, divorce, aging, and retirement, focusing on what feels fixed versus changeable and how "inner saboteurs" formed in childhood can stop serving us. Ben describes growing up as a Filipino immigrant kid navigating cultural and emotional silence, moving states, and realizing he was gay, then later finding greater openness through grad school and counseling training. They discuss authenticity at work as a spectrum tied to psychological safety and how integrating Ben's identities as coach and researcher improved his motivation and communication. They also address identity clashes with loved ones amid polarized beliefs and the role of coaching in healing.   00:00 Welcome to Deep Work 00:31 Meet Ben Basilan 01:19 Why Ben Chose Coaching 02:10 Identity as a Theme 02:53 Transitions Trigger Identity 06:01 What Can Change 07:15 Roots of Rationality 09:33 Move South and Isolation 12:48 Coming Out and Becoming Whole 14:51 Authenticity at Work 18:40 Merging Work Identities 23:26 Life Stages and Reinvention 28:43 When Identities Clash 32:53 Coaching as Healing Purpose 33:54 Where to Find Ben 34:26 Closing Invitation

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    Disruption as Alignment: Coaching, Grief, and Non-Striving with Rishikesh Tirumalai

    Host Julie Harris Oliver welcomes leadership coach and experience designer Rishikesh Tirumalai to discuss how "disruption" can mean returning to harmony with natural cycles, the body, and authenticity. Rishi shares his path from tech and solo travel to teaching and coaching, including how getting sober and working with a coach changed his trajectory, and reflects on being a young Indian man in a coaching world that often undervalues asking for help. They explore leaders finding integrity and fun in their roles, the courage of slowing down amid urgency culture, and the relationship between authenticity and activism in a colonizing power. Rishi also speaks about grieving his father's death, discovering inner stability, seeking agenda-free connection, and holding a seasonal intention of non-striving while listening for when action is needed.   00:00 Welcome to Deep Work 01:17 Rishi's Coaching Journey 01:48 Panama and Leaving Tech 03:58 Discovering Coaching and Sobriety 05:16 Outlier in Coaching Culture 07:18 Disruption and Family Roots 09:09 Alignment With Natural Cycles 11:46 Authenticity as Activism 12:53 Leaders Finding Fun 14:47 Holding Possibility Through Grief 16:02 Dad's Passing and Adulting 21:20 Expansion Without Striving 24:12 Non Striving in a Harsh World 28:29 Slowing Down as Disruption 33:22 Support Without an Agenda 36:03 North Star Fun and Care 36:42 Closing and Call to Action

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    Humor at Work: Levity, Creativity, and the "Yes, And" Mindset with Connie Liu | Deep Work Out Loud

    Host Julie Harris Oliver welcomes executive coach and two-time founder Connie Liu (CEO of Tandem) to discuss humor's role in work, leadership, and coaching. Connie shares that her path to coaching began after hiring an executive coach during her transition out of her first company, valuing coaching as a place to be fully honest without "curating" for others. They explore humor as a release valve that extends emotional runway, reduces high-stakes pressure, and increases creativity—especially through improv's "yes, and" approach and design-thinking environments that normalize risk and riffing on bad ideas. Connie describes using standup comedy as a counterbalance to founder seriousness and as a way to practice levity, while both reflect on when humor is welcomed or risky at work, including for women and in highly serious roles. 00:00 Welcome and Format 00:35 Meet Connie Liu 01:09 Connie's Coaching Origin 02:31 Why Humor at Work 04:10 Standup as Counterbalance 06:09 Humor as Release Valve 07:15 Making Humor Feel Safe 09:07 Creativity and Yes And 13:40 Dog Interruption Reset 14:12 Lightening the Room Fast 16:03 Can You Teach Funny 16:23 Rule of Three Parenting 17:53 Sarcasm and Pranks Roots 18:36 Back to Executives 18:45 Personality on Calls 19:25 Creating vs Reporting 20:22 Finding the Right Balance 21:07 Sales Stories That Land 21:51 Standup Fear and Dares 22:49 Bombing and Getting Hooked 24:14 Comedy Style and Influences 24:57 Work Persona and Gender 28:41 Founder Seriousness vs Humor 30:18 Keeping Perspective at Work 31:37 Key Takeaways and Farewell

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    Making Fewer, Better Decisions with Brian Duggan | Deep Work Out Loud

    Julie Harris Oliver interviews executive leadership coach and OD consultant Brian Duggan about helping senior leaders make fewer, better decisions. Brian shares his path from theater directing to coaching and introduces research citing that senior leaders make 70–80,000 decisions per year, with up to half being low-importance or low-impact. He outlines the "Five V Role Model" stances leaders can take—Vote, Voice, Vision, Void, and Veto. Whether you're a seasoned leader or just beginning your journey, this episode is packed with insights that can transform your approach to decision-making and organizational impact.   00:00 Welcome to Deep Work Out Loud + Meet Julie & Brian 01:42 Brian's Accidental Path from Theater Director to Coach 04:06 Why Theater Skills Translate to Coaching & OD Systems Thinking 05:51 The Leadership Problem: Senior Leaders Making Too Many Decisions 07:32 McKinsey Decision Overload + Two Common Stances: Vote & Voice 11:14 The Better Shift: Leading Through Vision (and Developing People) 15:23 Reputation, Intention, and How Leaders Choose to Show Up 16:33 The Counterintuitive Stance: Intentional 'Void' and Role Boundaries 21:47 Void Needs Vision: Context Over Details, Trust Over Rumors 25:19 Matching Stances to Level: Apple Store Stories on Autonomy & Escalation 29:32 When Execs 'Voice Down': The Cost of One Comment (The Color Story) 30:44 Fixing the Process: Getting the Right Voices at the Right Time 31:46 The Two Questions: What Only I Can Do vs. What I'm Supposed to Do 32:35 Personal Burnout Story: Over-Voicing, Over-Doing, and Resentment 37:29 Making It a Shared Language: Bringing Voice In Early (and Using It) 39:17 Gen Z, Disillusionment, and Clarifying Vote vs. Voice 41:31 How to Ask for Feedback: Criteria, Context, and Engagement Survey Traps 44:40 From Work to Life Roles: Introducing the 'Five Stances' Framework 45:32 Level, Zones, Lanes: The Targeting System Behind Your Role 48:09 The Fifth V—Veto: When to Overrule (and Why It's Dangerous) 51:12 A Real Veto Scenario: Hiring Freeze, Rescinded Offers, and Hard Calls 53:43 Wrap-Up: Positive Conflict at the Top + The 'Five V Role Model' 55:49 Closing & Listener Invitation: Clarify Your Roles and Communicate Vision

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    Forest Therapy and Nervous System Regulation with Laura London | Deep Work out Loud

    In this episode of Deep Work Out Loud, Julie Harris Oliver is joined by leadership strategist and executive coach Laura London (founder of Calocedrus Partners, former McKinsey leader) for a candid, coach-style exploration of forest therapy—and why Laura believes it's a practical tool for leadership right now. They unpack what "forest therapy" means, how sensory awareness connects to nervous system regulation, and why slowing down can be harder than it sounds. Julie brings real skepticism, including a vivid story of an experience in nature that left her feeling unsafe, and Laura helps examine the protective story that followed—and what it might be costing. Along the way, Laura shares how the practice became personal through her family's experience with sensory processing disorder (SPD), and Julie describes a small experiment she's trying to bring more quiet, presence, and reset into everyday life.   00:00 Welcome to Deep Work Out Loud + Meet Laura London 01:13 Laura's Journey: From Early Work Curiosity to McKinsey & Coaching 04:28 Today's Topic: What Is Forest Therapy (and Why It Matters Now) 05:53 The Science: Senses, Nervous System Regulation & the AI Age 08:42 Laura's Personal Story: Fragility, Authenticity, and Finding Relief in Nature 10:50 Sensory Processing Disorder & the 5-4-3-2-1 Nature Practice (with Her Son) 15:01 Forest Bathing vs. Forest Therapy: Guided Walks, Principles, and Slowing Down 18:24 Julie the Skeptic: "Nature Will Try to Kill You" + A Beach Injury Story 21:22 Coaching the Reframe: Protection vs. Limitation, Awe, and Belonging in Nature 27:50 Small Experiments: Dog Walks Without Headphones + Why Quiet Isn't Wasted Time 31:31 Leadership Takeaways: Regulated Leaders, Contagious Emotions, and Practical Tips 35:31 Where to Find Laura + Final Invitation to Try Nature This Week   Find Laura HERE Find Julie HERE

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Welcome to Deep Work: Out Loud, The thinking that fuels our life, our work, and our leadership. I'm Julie Harris Oliver. This is the podcast where I sit with another professional coach and we do some work around a single concept, piece of inspiration, a topic we've seen come up in coaching. If we're very lucky, while talking about it, we might demonstrate what coaching might look and feel like. But we'll see how this goes. It's all an experiment. With any luck, you will leave with something you can apply and use in your work or your life or both.

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