The fourth episode of Digital Tells: A BioCatch Podcast focuses on scams and social engineering. Why is there so much scam activity these days? Why are these scams so successful? And what, if anything, can financial institutions do to help protect themselves and their customer? We open with a first-hand story of a brilliant social engineering, told by Coby Montoya. Tim Dalgleish discusses some of the Digital Tells that may indicate scam activity. And Ayelet Biger-Levin explains the layers of machine learning and analytics that converge to detect scams. Transcript Coby Montoya Sometime in fall in 2019, I was working from home. Middle of the workday, I received this text message from it says it's from Capital One. It says, Hey, there's been a charge on your card at this Wal-Mart in California. Is that you? Yes or no? I said no. I responded back. And I immediately took out my Capital One card and looked at the back, called the phone number in the back to report this, you know, hey, this definitely was not me. Peter Beardmore The voice you were just hearing if from a gentleman I met recently. He’s a professional, in his late 30’s, lives in Arizona.. and the scenario he’s discussing not uncommon. It’s happened to me. It’s likely happened to you… but this story gets interesting…. Coby Montoya So as I'm on hold, I receive additional texts. Says, OK, this wasn't you type one if you would like someone to call you instead of having to call and sit on hold. So again, middle of my workday, you know, this is much easier for me than having this on hold. So I said, Sure, have someone call me back a few minutes later, actually, probably less than a minute. I receive a call back and the phone number was, you know, same phone number for my Capital One card. And so I let them know, Hey, this was not me. You know, I identified myself. I authenticate myself, providing some basic information, and they say, OK, well, we can send you a replacement card. We'll deactivate this one. It's going to take about three to five business days to receive this card. It's actually a card I use very frequently. So I ask them, Hey, is there any way you could send this out sooner? They said, Well, we can. There's a fee that comes with that, but you know, you just experienced fraud. So we're going to go out and waive that fee for you, right? All right. Great. Good experience. And I appreciate it. And so they said before we send this replacement card out, however, when to need you to verify the address we're going to send it to. We're also going to send you a one time passcode just to ensure that it's really you were speaking with. And so I said, OK, you know, waited for the code. Thirty seconds later, I receive a one time passcode to my phone number. I read it back to them. They said, Great, thanks. We're going to go ahead and send this card out to you. And that was that. So I thought, All right. Minor annoyance. You know, no one likes fraud on their card, but it took me about 10 minutes, three songs. So I thought, All right, I'm good to go. Later that evening at home watching TV with my girlfriend and all of a sudden I received a notification from my Capital One mobile app that says there's been a charge at a Wal-Mart in California. So I'm based in Arizona, right? So this is definitely not me. It's kind of annoying that, you know, I was like, Hey, we just talked about this. I just resolved this with Capital One. Why are they approving charges on a card that has been reported as compromise? So I called CapitalOne ready to be, you know, just explain to me, Hey, guys, you shouldn't be approving these these charges. I reported this as a as. And as I speak to someone, they say we don't show any sort of interaction, so we contacted you at all today. I go, Are you sure about that? Yeah. Let me check a different system. They check a different system. No, no interactions. And so I'm a little skeptical. I just talked to someone hours ago. This, you know this. This can't be the case. I know I spoke to you guys. So I ask, Okay, I know you're doing the best you can do, but can I please talk to a supervisor? Maybe they have access to a different screen that you don't have access to, you know, respectfully. And so I'm, you know, hold for another 15 20 minutes, but not speak to a supervisor. Same situation. So I go, OK, is there someone in like a security risk fraud department? OK, yep, I'm transferred there. Same thing. So I learned that they actually didn't contact me. So I'm really puzzled by this, and I realized sort of in real time that actually a fraudster, you know, a bad actor or criminal actually contact me to essentially social engineer me. Peter Beardmore So, obviously, this was a pretty good scam. And, I mean, stuff like this happens every day right? But here’s the really interesting part… That voice you were just hearing is Coby Montoya and well, let me let him introduce himself… Coby Montoya My name is Koby Montoya. I work in fraud and security, and so I've been doing so forabout 15 years now, and I've worked on the merchant side. The card issuer, side,payment network side and the front vendor side. So I have a fairly broad lens when itcomes to fraud risk management. Peter Beardmore Coby’s actually being modest. He’s a fraud expert, who’s worked for some of the biggest financial services companies in the world, helping them to manage risk and fight fraud. So the next time it happens to you – or when your elderly mother tells you she got scammed again – go easy on her. It happens to even the best. In fact social engineering scams are on the rise globally. According to the U.S. federal trade commission, imposter scams were the #1 type of fraud reported by consumers last year. And most of these scams were carried out over the phone – with losses reported around $30 Billion. A few weeks ago I registered some domain names in preparation for launching this podcast, and for some reason I didn’t get the privacy settings right. About a week later my phone started ringing off the hook – at least a dozen calls every day – about half from would-be web developers looking for work – the other half, dire warnings about my fraudulent payments made from my accounts, messages of accounts past due, a lottery win, and a few were for what would apparently be life changing opportunities. Why is this all happening? In some cases it’s pandemic related. But mostly, it’s just because it works. And as evidenced by Coby’s story – scammers are convincing and very clever. And they prey on human nature and emotions. And for financial institutions this is a major problem. Because in some cases they’re liable to refund losses to consumers – in other cases they’re not, but might still make refunds anyway… just to protect their brand and their relationship with the customer – and in some cases the guidance from regulators is changing. In this episode of Digital Tells we’re focusing on scams and social engineering. Why are they so successful? And what, if anything, financial institutions can do to help protect themselves and their customers. In previous episodes you met Tim Dagleish from BioCatch – he’s been working with financial institutions throughout his career, and has a deep understanding for what’s crucial for banks when dealing with reported scams. Tim Dalgleish So, yeah, there's a whole remediation process with a financial impact operation impact and customer experience impact because its customer life cycle. When you're a victim of fraud, it can go one of two ways. As a banking customer, as a bank, if you do a great job in looking after that victim and getting them back to to normal or protecting it, then that's the storey they tell at every barbecue for the next six months and tell their friends. If you do a bad job of it, that's a bad story that they're going to tell to their friends and they might even change banks. So it's a really, you know, life cycle with a relationship with a customer. If you get from right or wrong, you can typically go one or two ways. So it's really a critical, critical point in the relationship. Peter Beardmore So I want to stipulate for a moment here, particularly with respect to scams and social engineering that there are hundreds, if not thousands of angles that scammers can take. And they’re constantly iterating and improving. Some are better than others, you just heard one – we could share dozens of others, but this is supposed to be a twenty minute podcast – but what I’m getting to here is there’s a myriad of cash-out schemes from scam to scam. In some cases the scammer may literally lead their mark to transferring money, maybe even coach them how to do it – without ever getting a credential or gaining direct access to an account. In other cases – those credentials or account numbers are exactly what the scammers are seeking – and then that leads to the Account Take Over Fraud and Account Origination fraud issues we discussed in previous episodes. And in still other cases… the scammer convinces the victim to give them control over their account, in the middle of the session, after they’ve already legitimately logged in. Maybe get them to download a Remote Access Tool or malware – giving control of their phone or computer to the scammer ~ essentially giving them free reign ~ but following a perfectly legitimate log-in, from a known device, and probably from a known IP address. With all these potential combinations of interactions and outcomes, you it might be hard to believe that there’s some magical algorithm to throw the brakes on any of it. And you’d be right. But let’s think a little more deeply about this. About what the victim actually experiences. Let’s say you’re on the receiving end of a scam? Maybe someone’s contacted you, they say they’re from your bank, it’s about some suspicious payment activi