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Diplomatic Immunity: Frank and candid conversations about diplomacy and foreign affairs


Diplomatic Immunity is a podcast from the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University. We bring you "frank and candid" conversations on the issues facing diplomats and national security decision makers globally. We talk to current and former diplomatic officials, scholars, and analysts and seek to understand how best to foster international cooperation in an age of global crises.


Produced by Kelly McFarland

Design by Rebecca McFarland and Alistair Somerville
Music by Gabe Swarts
Editing by Aaron Jones


This podcast is supported by funding from the Carnegie Corporation of New York's Bridging the Gap Initiative.

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Diplomatic Immunity: Frank and candid conversations about diplomacy and foreign affairs


Diplomatic Immunity is a podcast from the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University. We bring you "frank and candid" conversations on the issues facing diplomats and national security decision makers globally. We talk to current and former diplomatic officials, scholars, and analysts and seek to understand how best to foster international cooperation in an age of global crises.


Produced by Kelly McFarland

Design by Rebecca McFarland and Alistair Somerville
Music by Gabe Swarts
Editing by Aaron Jones


This podcast is supported by funding from the Carnegie Corporation of New York's Bridging the Gap Initiative.

    Bonus: Iran Protests with Kelly Shannon

    Bonus: Iran Protests with Kelly Shannon

    Bonus Episode: Kelly Shannon, associate professor of history and executive director of the Center for Peace, Justice, and Human Rights at Florida Atlantic University, joins Kelly McFarland to discuss the ongoing protests in Iran.
    They discuss the catalyst for these regime-shaking protests, the response from ruling elites and international actors, and ultimately look forward to what this movement may accomplish. 
    Kelly J. Shannon, Ph.D. specializes in the twentieth century history of U.S. foreign relations, with a particular focus on the Islamic world, Iran, and women’s human rights. She is the author of the book U.S. Foreign Policy and Muslim Women’s Human Rights.
    Her other publications include book chapters and journal articles on President Harry Truman and the Middle East, the international movement to end female genital mutilation (FGM), U.S. encounters with Saudi gender relations during the first Gulf War, U.S. relations with Iran, and state of the field essays. She has spoken in many academic and public settings, authored op-eds in venues like the Washington Post, and has been interviewed by NPR and other media outlets.
    Episode recorded: October 26, 2022
    Produced by Daniel Henderson and Kelly McFarland. 
    Episode image: Protestors in Canada march in solidarity with the Iranian protestors calling for change [Image from Taymaz Valley on Flickr]
    Diplomatic Immunity: Frank and candid conversations about diplomacy and foreign affairs
    Diplomatic Immunity, a podcast from the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University, brings you frank and candid conversations with experts on the issues facing diplomats and national security decision-makers around the world. 
    Funding support from the Carnegie Corporation of New York. 
    For more, visit our website, and follow us on Twitter @GUDiplomacy. Send any feedback to diplomacy@georgetown.edu.

    • 21 min
    Looking Back, Looking Forward: Lessons from the Edge with Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

    Looking Back, Looking Forward: Lessons from the Edge with Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

    Season 4, Episode 8: In the current series of Diplomatic Immunity, ISD Director of Programs and Research Dr. Kelly McFarland looks back at the first year of the Biden administration's foreign policy and looks forward to the next. 
    In the final episode of the season, Kelly is joined by Ambassador Maria L. Yovanovitch, former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine (2016-2019), to discuss her recent book Lessons from the Edge: A Memoir as well as the threat corruption poses to national security and the importance of history. Additionally, Ambassador Yovanovitch explains her motivation to describe and extol the work of foreign and civil service officers when she testified during President Trump's first impeachment trial, and shares her insights into the ongoing Russian war in Ukraine. 
    Ambassador (ret.) Marie L. Yovanovitch is a Senior Fellow in the Russia and Eurasia Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. She first joined ISD as a Senior State Department Fellow in the spring of 2019 after three years as the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine (2016-2019). She previously served as Ambassador to the Republic of Armenia (2008-2011) and the Kyrgyz Republic (2005-2008). From 2012-2013, Ambassador Yovanovitch was the Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs, where she was responsible for policy on European and global security issues. She also served as the Senior Advisor to the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs from 2004-2005. She retired from the Department of State as a Career Minister in January 2020.
    Ambassador Yovanovitch served as the Dean of the Language School at the Foreign Service Institute, as well as International Advisor and Deputy Commandant at the Eisenhower School for National Security and Resource Strategy at the National Defense University, where she also taught national security strategy. She began her career in Ottawa, followed by overseas assignments in Moscow, London and Mogadishu, and at the Department of State as Deputy Director of the Russian Desk.
    A graduate of Princeton University with a master’s degree from the National Defense University, Ambassador Yovanovitch received numerous Presidential and State Department awards, including the Secretary’s Diplomacy in Human Rights Award.
    Episode recorded: April 19, 2022
    Image: Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken and Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III visit Kyiv, Ukraine, on April 24, 2022. [Public Domain]
    Hosted and produced by Kelly McFarland. Audio editing by Aaron Jones. Production assistance by Kit Evans. 
    Diplomatic Immunity: Frank and candid conversations about diplomacy and foreign affairs
    Diplomatic Immunity, a podcast from the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University, brings you frank and candid conversations with experts on the issues facing diplomats and national security decision-makers around the world. 
    Funding support from the Carnegie Corporation of New York. 
    For more, visit our website, and follow us on Twitter @GUDiplomacy. Send any feedback to diplomacy@georgetown.edu.

    • 34 min
    Looking Back, Looking Forward: Trade, Technology, and China with Wendy Cutler, Carolyn Brehm, and Francine Lamoriello--Part 3

    Looking Back, Looking Forward: Trade, Technology, and China with Wendy Cutler, Carolyn Brehm, and Francine Lamoriello--Part 3

    Season 4, Episode 7–Part 3: In the current series of Diplomatic Immunity, ISD Director of Programs and Research Dr. Kelly McFarland looks back at the first year of the Biden administration's foreign policy and looks forward to the next. 
    In the final episode of this three-part series, Kelly continues his conversation with Carolyn Brehm and Francine Lamoriello to discuss how the recent escalation of Russia's occupation of Ukraine to a full-scale military invasion has affected global trade, including how it has slowed down the COVID-19 economic recovery, accelerated decoupling of trade, and the long-term impact on globalization. 
    Carolyn Brehm retired from The Procter & Gamble Company as Vice President for Global Government Relations and Public Policy where she created and led P&G’s team of sixty government relations practitioners based in key markets across the globe. She was responsible for public policy and legislative advocacy to protect and grow P&G’s business, advising three Company CEOs over her seventeen years at P&G. She also oversaw a $24 million P&G Fund supporting initiatives in the communities where P&G operates. During a 13-year stint with General Motors Corporation, Ms. Brehm served as Director of International Trade and Investment Policy, supporting GM’s international operations. During two overseas assignments with GM, she established an office in Shanghai in 1984 to conduct countertrade deals and returned to the region in 1996 as Director of Asia-Pacific Trade Policies and Strategy, supporting joint venture projects. She too is a graduate of the School of Foreign Service.
    Francine Lamoriello is Executive Vice President of Global Strategies for the Personal Care Products Council and directs all international activities and issues. Prior, Francine served as Senior International and Business Strategy Advisor at Baker, Donelson, PC, where she counseled clients on international business strategy and regulatory affairs, and international trade policy. Previously, she served for seven years as Director of International Trade and Investment Services at KPMG Peat Marwick where she led international strategy and marketing studies for a wide variety of U.S. companies. Lamoriello has also held positions at the U.S. Department of Commerce as Director of the European Community Single Market Program and specialized in US-EU trade policy affecting technology companies. And she too, is a graduate of the School of Foreign Service. 
    Episode recorded: April 15 & 20, 2022
    Image: Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken, along with Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo, United States Trade Representative Katherine Tai, and EU officials, participates in a virtual stakeholder roundtable, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, before the start of the inaugural U.S.-EU Trade and Technology Council (TTC) Ministerial on September 29, 2021. [State Department Photo by Ron Przysucha/ Public Domain].
    Hosted by Kelly McFarland. Produced by Alistair Somerville and Kelly McFarland. Audio editing by Aaron Jones. Production assistance by Kit Evans and Eleanor Shiori Hughes. 
    Diplomatic Immunity: Frank and candid conversations about diplomacy and foreign affairs
    Diplomatic Immunity, a podcast from the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University, brings you frank and candid conversations with experts on the issues facing diplomats and national security decision-makers around the world. 
    Funding support from the Carnegie Corporation of New York. 
    For more, visit our website, and follow us on Twitter @GUDiplomacy. Send any feedback to diplomacy@georgetown.edu.

    • 26 min
    Looking Back, Looking Forward: Trade, Technology, and China with Wendy Cutler, Carolyn Brehm, and Francine Lamoriello--Part 2

    Looking Back, Looking Forward: Trade, Technology, and China with Wendy Cutler, Carolyn Brehm, and Francine Lamoriello--Part 2

    Season 4, Episode 7--Part 2: In the current series of Diplomatic Immunity, ISD Director of Programs and Research Dr. Kelly McFarland looks back at the first year of the Biden administration's foreign policy and looks forward to the next. 
    In the second episode of a three-part series, Kelly continues his conversation with Wendy Cutler, Carolyn Brehm, and Francine Lamoriello to discuss how the Biden administration has approached trade with allies including the European Union, and the administration's engagement with the business community.
    Wendy Cutler joined the Asia Society Policy Institute as Vice President and Managing Director of the Washington DC Office in November 2015. She focuses on building ASPI’s presence in Washington — strengthening its outreach as a think/do tank — and on leading initiatives that address challenges related to trade and women’s empowerment in Asia. She served for nearly three decades as a diplomat and negotiator in the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR). Most recently she served as Acting Deputy U.S. Trade Representative, working on a range of U.S. trade negotiations and initiatives in the Asia-Pacific region. In that capacity, she was responsible for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement, including the bilateral negotiations with Japan. She is a graduate of the School of Foreign Service.
    Carolyn Brehm retired from The Procter & Gamble Company as Vice President for Global Government Relations and Public Policy where she created and led P&G’s team of sixty government relations practitioners based in key markets across the globe. She was responsible for public policy and legislative advocacy to protect and grow P&G’s business, advising three Company CEOs over her seventeen years at P&G. She also oversaw a $24 million P&G Fund supporting initiatives in the communities where P&G operates. During a 13-year stint with General Motors Corporation, Ms. Brehm served as Director of International Trade and Investment Policy, supporting GM’s international operations. During two overseas assignments with GM, she established an office in Shanghai in 1984 to conduct countertrade deals and returned to the region in 1996 as Director of Asia-Pacific Trade Policies and Strategy, supporting joint venture projects. She too is a graduate of the School of Foreign Service.
    Francine Lamoriello is Executive Vice President of Global Strategies for the Personal Care Products Council and directs all international activities and issues. Prior, Francine served as Senior International and Business Strategy Advisor at Baker, Donelson, PC, where she counseled clients on international business strategy and regulatory affairs, and international trade policy. Previously, she served for seven years as Director of International Trade and Investment Services at KPMG Peat Marwick where she led international strategy and marketing studies for a wide variety of U.S. companies. Lamoriello has also held positions at the U.S. Department of Commerce as Director of the European Community Single Market Program and specialized in US-EU trade policy affecting technology companies. And she too, is a graduate of the School of Foreign Service. 
    Episode recorded: February 10, 2022
    Image: USTR Ambassador Tai gives keynote in Geneva on the future role of the World Trade Organization (WTO) in the global economy and how it can deliver broad-based inclusive growth with the U.S. Mission in Geneva on October 14th, 2021. [U.S. Mission photo/ Eric Bridiers]
    Hosted by Kelly McFarland. Produced by Alistair Somerville and Kelly McFarland. Audio editing by Aaron Jones. Production assistance by Kit Evans and Eleanor Shiori Hughes. 
    Diplomatic Immunity: Frank and candid conversations about diplomacy and foreign affairs
    Diplomatic Immunity, a podcast from the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University, brings you frank and candid conversations with experts on the issues facing diplomats and national sec

    • 21 min
    Looking Back, Looking Forward: Trade, Technology, and China with Wendy Cutler, Carolyn Brehm, and Francine Lamoriello--Part 1

    Looking Back, Looking Forward: Trade, Technology, and China with Wendy Cutler, Carolyn Brehm, and Francine Lamoriello--Part 1

    Season 4, Episode 7--Part 1: In the current series of Diplomatic Immunity, ISD Director of Programs and Research Dr. Kelly McFarland looks back at the first year of the Biden administration's foreign policy and looks forward to the next. 
    In the first episode of a three-part series, Kelly is joined by Wendy Cutler, Carolyn Brehm, and Francine Lamoriello to discuss how the Biden administration has approached international trade in the broader framework of its foreign policy for the middle class, technology, and China.
    Wendy Cutler joined the Asia Society Policy Institute as Vice President and Managing Director of the Washington DC Office in November 2015. She focuses on building ASPI’s presence in Washington—strengthening its outreach as a think/do tank—and on leading initiatives that address challenges related to trade and women’s empowerment in Asia. She served for nearly three decades as a diplomat and negotiator in the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR). Most recently she served as Acting Deputy U.S. Trade Representative, working on a range of U.S. trade negotiations and initiatives in the Asia-Pacific region. In that capacity, she was responsible for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement, including the bilateral negotiations with Japan. She is a graduate of the School of Foreign Service.
    Carolyn Brehm retired from The Procter & Gamble Company as Vice President for Global Government Relations and Public Policy where she created and led P&G’s team of sixty government relations practitioners based in key markets across the globe. She was responsible for public policy and legislative advocacy to protect and grow P&G’s business, advising three Company CEOs over her seventeen years at P&G. She also oversaw a $24 million P&G Fund supporting initiatives in the communities where P&G operates. During a 13-year stint with General Motors Corporation, Ms. Brehm served as Director of International Trade and Investment Policy, supporting GM’s international operations. During two overseas assignments with GM, she established an office in Shanghai in 1984 to conduct countertrade deals and returned to the region in 1996 as Director of Asia-Pacific Trade Policies and Strategy, supporting joint venture projects. She too is a graduate of the School of Foreign Service.
    Francine Lamoriello is Executive Vice President of Global Strategies for the Personal Care Products Council and directs all international activities and issues. Prior, Francine served as Senior International and Business Strategy Advisor at Baker, Donelson, PC, where she counseled clients on international business strategy and regulatory affairs, and international trade policy. Previously, she served for seven years as Director of International Trade and Investment Services at KPMG Peat Marwick where she led international strategy and marketing studies for a wide variety of U.S. companies. Lamoriello has also held positions at the U.S. Department of Commerce as Director of the European Community Single Market Program and specialized in US-EU trade policy affecting technology companies. And she too, is a graduate of the School of Foreign Service. 
    Episode recorded: February 10, 2022
    Image: Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken, along with Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo, United States Trade Representative Katherine Tai, and EU officials, participates in the inaugural U.S.-EU Trade and Technology Council (TTC) Ministerial in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on September 29, 2021. [State Department Photo by Ron Przysucha/ Public Domain] [State Department photo by Ron Przysucha/ Public Domain]
    Hosted by Kelly McFarland. Produced by Alistair Somerville and Kelly McFarland. Audio editing by Aaron Jones. Production assistance by Kit Evans and Eleanor Shiori Hughes. 
    Diplomatic Immunity: Frank and candid conversations about diplomacy and foreign affairs
    Diplomatic Immunity, a podcast from the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown

    • 26 min
    Looking Back, Looking Forward: Development with Joel Hellman

    Looking Back, Looking Forward: Development with Joel Hellman

    Season 4, Episode 6: In the current series of Diplomatic Immunity, ISD Director of Programs and Research Dr. Kelly McFarland looks back at the first year of the Biden administration's foreign policy and looks forward to the next. 
    He is joined by Joel Hellman to discuss the Biden administration's approach to the world of development and humanitarian aid, and how scholars and practitioners of diplomacy can approach the compounding challenges of COVID-19, conflict, and climate change. 
    Joel Hellman is the Dean of the School of Foreign Service. As dean, he leads the research, teaching, and outreach efforts of the School. Throughout his career, he has worked on issues of governance, conflict, and the political economy of development around the world both in academia and in international organizations. Before coming to Georgetown, he spent 15 years at the World Bank, where he most recently served as Chief Institutional Economist and previously led its engagement with fragile and conflict-affected states as Director of the Center on Conflict, Security and Development in Nairobi, Kenya.
    Episode recorded: February 2, 2022
    Image: USAID Administrator Samantha Power recognizes Dulles Operation Allies Welcome staff, at the U.S. Department of State in Washington, D.C., on October 13, 2021. [State Department photo by Ron Przysucha/ Public Domain]
    Hosted by Kelly McFarland. Produced by Alistair Somerville and Kelly McFarland. Audio editing by Aaron Jones. Production assistance by Kit Evans and Eleanor Shiori Hughes. 
    Diplomatic Immunity: Frank and candid conversations about diplomacy and foreign affairs
    Diplomatic Immunity, a podcast from the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University, brings you frank and candid conversations with experts on the issues facing diplomats and national security decision-makers around the world. 
    Funding support from the Carnegie Corporation of New York. 
    For more, visit our website, and follow us on Twitter @GUDiplomacy. Send any feedback to diplomacy@georgetown.edu.

    • 20 min

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