Season 5 kicks off with a conversation Victoria couldn't wait to have: an HSP expert on the show. Dr. Amelia Kelley — therapist, author, TED speaker, and host of the Wired and Worthy podcast — joins Victoria to unpack what it really means to be a highly sensitive person (HSP), where the trait comes from, and how she's built a career that works with her nervous system instead of against it. This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation. Amelia and Victoria trace Amelia's path from an empathetic, "too emotional" childhood to a therapy career that began in at-risk boot camps and a methadone clinic — and how a job loss finally pushed her to open her own practice. Along the way, they get into the difference between empaths and HSPs, the concept of "2E" (twice exceptionality), and why the workplace checkups Amelia offers companies might be one of the most overlooked levers for retention. Key Takeaways Empaths are made, HSPs are born. Amelia shares a line from a past podcast guest that reframes a debate a lot of HSP/empath listeners have had: sensitivity itself is innate, but empathic behavior can be learned and reinforced — and you can absolutely be both.Sensitivity isn't just a "soft" trait. Amelia pushes back on the stereotype that HSPs are simply gentle or delicate. In her clinical view, sensitivity can also show up as a drive to control your environment — because an uncurated environment can quickly become overwhelming."2E" (twice exceptional) describes people who carry a neurodivergent trait (high sensitivity, ADHD, autism) alongside a standout strength (high IQ, EQ, or artistic ability) — often creating a seesaw between real gifts and real friction. Amelia identifies as 2E herself.Autonomy is the throughline of Amelia's career. From leaving agency-based therapy roles to opening her own practice, to choosing which university courses she teaches, Amelia has deliberately built work she controls the shape of — because that's what lets her function at her best.Workplace "sensitivity checkups" are a real, practical service. Amelia consults with companies (including a public workshop for the North Carolina Brewers Guild) on meeting culture, physical space, and inclusivity — not as a soft perk, but as a retention strategy backed by data.Sensitivity isn't only human. Amelia notes that the ratio of highly sensitive individuals holds steady across species — dogs, cats, horses, even insects — which reframes HSP traits as biological rather than a personal quirk. Timestamps 00:00 — Welcome to Season 5 + catching up with Victoria and Heather 02:09 — Introducing Dr. Amelia Kelley 04:32 — Amelia joins the conversation 04:58 — Where Amelia's empathy and drive to help began 07:05 — "Empaths are made, HSPs are born" 10:15 — The misconception that sensitivity is always "soft" 12:02 — What "2E" (twice exceptional) means 13:41 — Why working for herself changed everything for Amelia 16:13 — Inside a workplace sensitivity checkup 19:25 — Handling pushback from leaders and business owners 21:11 — Wrap-up + fun fact follow-up (yes, it's a Sasquatch) Guest Bio Dr. Amelia Kelley is a therapist, author of several books, TED speaker, trainer, and host of the Wired and Worthy podcast. She also works as a workplace sensitivity analyst, offering companies "sensitivity checkups" to improve inclusivity, communication, and retention. She is an adjunct professor at Yorkville University in Toronto and teaches corporate training sessions, including for Pepsi. Connect with Amelia Kelley: Website: https://www.ameliakelley.com Wired and Worthy podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/0P7wxzgwoupiaohxRamiA3 This show is a Twisted Spur Media production, produced by Heather McPherson. If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with a friend and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Part 2 of this conversation continues next episode. If you're interested in learning more about team building, coaching, strategic hiring and onboarding, let's connect! discoverwhatworks@gmail.com https://pod.link/1614071253 https://discoverwhatworks.org/ https://www.facebook.com/VictoriaDISC https://www.instagram.com/discoverwhatworks/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/discoverwhatworks