Divergences

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Divergences is a podcast that explores strategic competition among the Great Powers and its impact on the Middle East. Participants who are deeply involved with the region share their perspectives on how the world is changing. This forum gives them a chance to share their views on the United States, China and Russia, even when those opinions differ from conventional thinking in Washington, DC.

Episodes

  1. 11/07/2025

    Iraqi Elections (w/ Tamer al-Badawi)

    Iraq will go to the polls on November 11 in an election likely to be dominated by the Iran-backed parties of the Shi‘a Coordination Framework. Although Moqtada al-Sadr is boycotting the election, he is likely weighing his options in both the short- and medium-term. That may mean quietly supporting independent candidates who could sway the government formation process while biding his time in case an opportunity arises to destabilize the caretaker government that will hold power until the leading Shi‘a parties resolve their differences. The United States still has a meaningful role to play, particularly with Prime Minister Muhammad al-Sudani playing up his ties to Washington as part of his campaign for a second term. Yet the recent spate of warnings from senior U.S. officials about the need to disarm the Popular Mobilization Forces have largely fallen on deaf ears, marking a significant shift away from the leading role that America once played in Iraqi politics. What are the likely outcomes of this election, and what do they mean for the United States? In this episode, Joshua Yaphe speaks with Tamer al-Badawi, an Associate Fellow at both the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) and the Center for Applied Research in Partnership with the Orient (CARPO). He also writes on Substack, where he publishes The Iraq Nexus, a weekly analysis and news update. Music by Ashot Danielyan from Pixabay.

    23 min

  2. 10/07/2025

    The Yemeni Conflict in a Global Context (w/ Khaldoon Bakahail)

    The decade-long conflict in Yemen has settled into a fragile stalemate, with neither the internationally recognized government nor the Houthi movement able to secure a decisive victory. What role have Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Iran played in sustaining or shaping the war—and how are global powers like China, Russia, and the United States competing for influence in the region? Can Yemen’s fractured political landscape be rebuilt, and what might a post-conflict settlement or federal model look like? And with the humanitarian crisis deepening, is there any realistic path to stability after years of war and foreign intervention? In this episode, Joshua Yaphe speaks with Khaldoon Bakahail, a Strategic Advisor with the Geneva Center for Security Sector Governance and a long-time expert on Yemeni political-military affairs. Music by Ashot Danielyan from Pixabay.

    22 min

  3. 09/03/2025

    Iran After the 12-Day War (w/ Farid Mirbagheri)

    Iran is militarily weakened and politically divided. It is unlikely to restore the pre–12 Day War status quo with Israel, particularly as its regional proxies struggle to recover. Many Iranians have lost confidence in their government and would welcome fundamental change. Yet even under a new regime, challenges for the West would remain. Any government in Tehran would likely pursue a nuclear energy program, and the Iranian public would remain wary of re-establishing ties with the United States. The greatest asset for improving perceptions and rebuilding relations may be the Iranian community in America—the largest Iranian diaspora in the world. In this episode, Joshua Yaphe speaks with Farid Mirbagheri, a Senior Fellow at Strategy International and a non-resident fellow at the University of St. Andrews’ School of Peace and Conflict Studies. Farid was born and raised in Iran, and spent 25 years in Cyprus as a Professor of International Relations and Chair of the Center for World Dialogue at the University of Nicosia. Music by Ashot Danielyan from Pixabay.

    17 min

  4. 05/19/2025

    Reporting on the Arab World Through China’s Lens (w/ Adel El Mahrouky)

    Chinese journalism is expanding its footprint across the Middle East in ways that sharply diverge from Western outlets like CNN. Rather than sending foreign correspondents, China’s CGTN deploys local reporters to tell regional stories, building trust and sidestepping the backlash often directed at U.S. and European media. As CGTN positions itself as a friendlier, non-interventionist alternative to the West, the implications for regional politics, public opinion, and global soft power are profound. Is China’s model of “journalism without interference” winning hearts and minds in the Arab world? And how does it shape local narratives about America? In this episode, Joshua Yaphe speaks with Adel El Mahrouky, a freelance Middle East correspondent for CGTN. El Mahrouky has two decades of experience reporting from the region. Music by Ashot Danielyan from Pixabay.

    32 min

  5. 05/05/2025

    Dubai Between Two Giants (w/ Mohammed Baharoon)

    The Middle East is becoming an increasingly contested arena in the emerging strategic competition between the United States and China. For global hubs like Dubai, this rivalry threatens to upend long-standing economic models built on openness, interconnectivity, and neutral ground. As tensions escalate, the region faces difficult choices about how to navigate great power politics without sacrificing prosperity or autonomy. Can countries like the UAE maintain their balancing act—or will they be forced to choose sides in a new global divide? In this episode, Joshua Yaphe speaks with Mohammed Baharoon, Director General of the Dubai Public Policy Research Center (b’huth). Baharoon previously served as a reporter for “Al Arabi” Magazine and Al Ittihad newspaper, and then as an editor for Gulf Defence Magazine before starting as director of research at b’huth. Music by Ashot Danielyan from Pixabay.

    34 min
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Divergences is a podcast that explores strategic competition among the Great Powers and its impact on the Middle East. Participants who are deeply involved with the region share their perspectives on how the world is changing. This forum gives them a chance to share their views on the United States, China and Russia, even when those opinions differ from conventional thinking in Washington, DC.

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