Andrea Samadi revisits her 2019 conversation with neuroleadership pioneer Friederike Fabritius to explore practical neuroscience strategies for better productivity, well-being, and workplace happiness. On this episode, we’ll learn: ✔ Why only 20% of people feel passionate about their jobs, and what we can do to change that. ✔ How to use neuroscience to reach peak performance or flow with your work. Neuroscientist and neuroleadership pioneer Friederike Fabritius shows us how three simple ingredients—FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS—can help us find flow and peak performance at work. We’ll also explore why men and women often respond differently to stress, how to identify your unique neurosignature, and practical ways to design a workplace (and a life) that helps your brain thrive ✔ Learn the three key ingredients for flow—fun, fear (challenge), and focus—how the stress–performance curve affects apathy and burnout. ✔ Why tailoring roles to individual neurosignatures (dopamine, serotonin, testosterone, estrogen) can unlock peak performance. Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago, launched this podcast with a question I had never truly asked myself before: (and that is) If productivity and results matter to us—and they do now more than ever—how exactly are we using our brain to make them happen? Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to improve productivity, results, or well-being. About a decade ago, I became fascinated by the mind-brain-results connection—and how science can be applied to our everyday lives. That’s why I’ve made it my mission to bring you the world’s top experts—so together, we can explore the intersection of science and social-emotional learning. We’ll break down complex ideas and turn them into practical strategies we can use every day for predictable, science-backed results. For today’s Episode 373, we continue our journey into our mind with the next interview review. Just a reminder-this review series began back with Episode 366[i], where in Part 3 we discovered an important lesson: if we don’t like our results—or what we see on the outside—we need to shift our mindset and look within. True change always begins on the inside. We moved onto EP 369[ii] we learned how to Rewire our Brain with Dr. Dawson Church and his Bliss Brain Meditations, and then EP 370[iii] with John Medina’s Brain Rules, where we reviewed how important this understanding of neuroscience is, especially connected to education, teaching and learning. Next we went deeper into our mind and brain with EP 371 and 72 where we with clinical professor of psychiatry from UCLA’s School of Medicine, Dr. Daniel J Siegel and his Mindsight concept, which is the same idea as Theory of Mind, or seeing the mind in another. All of these episodes are helping us to further sharpen of minds and brains, and connect better with others, for improved productivity and success in our work and personal lives. For today’s EP 373, we go back to EP 27[iv], recorded October 2019, with pioneer in neuroleadership, neuroscientist, Friederike Fabritius[v], from Germany. On this episode, we covered her book, The Leading Brain: Neuroscience Hacks to Work Smarter, Better and Happier. Friederike returned again to the podcast, for EP 258[vi] recorded in November 2022 advancing our conversation with her next book, The Brain Friendly Workplace. Both of these interviews covered important tips that I think we should all take into consideration to be happier, and therefore, more productive at work. Going along with our theme-that if we don’t like what’s going on outside of ourselves, let’s dive deeper into understanding how our brain and minds work. Which brings us back to FRIEDERIKE FABRITIUS, MS, is a neuroscientist and pioneer in the field of neuroleadership. She trained at the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research and is an alumna of McKinsey & Company (helping organizations to create change). Friederike delivers brain-based leadership programs to Fortune 500 executives and organizations around the globe to transform how they think, innovate, and navigate change. I’m always looking for productivity tips that we can all use, and it’s clear that stress in our workplaces is at an all-time high, globally. We know that “2/3 of people report being stressed at work, to the point they can’t sleep at night”[vii] and in our first clip, Friederike reports that “only 20% of people feel passionate about their jobs” and that “40% of people never experience FLOW in their jobs.” I think there has to be another way to find balance here. VIDEO 1 Click Here to Watch Let’s listen to Friederike’s clip on: Why FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS Matter for Flow & Peak Performance “Only 20% of people feel passionate about their jobs. That’s insane. And 40% of people never experience FLOW in their jobs. And (she thinks) it can be that simple. That everyone can be happy at their jobs. All you need are three simple things. (Friederike calls them ) FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS. And it has to do with a certain mix of neurochemicals in our brain. When we are having fun at work (not the after work party kind of fun) where you have fun after the work is done. I’m thinking of having fun related to the task at hand. And when we are having fun, our brains release a neurochemical called dopamine. Dopamine is a real brain booster. It makes you think faster. It helps you to do everything a bit speedier and better, and makes us more creative.” 💡 Key Points from Video Clip 1 Only 20% of people feel passionate about their jobs (she reported) and about 40% never experience flow—that state of deep concentration where time disappears and performance peaks. Friederike suggests that reaching flow at work requires three key ingredients: FUN → Dopamine from the brain released boosts creativity, speed, and sharper thinking. Not the after-work kind of fun, but enjoyment in the task itself. THINK: Do I enjoy my daily tasks at work? YES- keep going! NO- then you’ve got something to think about FEAR → A sense of challenge or pressure (like deadlines or high stakes) keeps you from slipping into apathy. You want to find the right balance for you, remembering that some people perform better with a sense of threat, while others, don’t do as well. THINK, What side of the chart do you perform best with? Do you prefer less stress, or more to keep you motivated? Be sure you have strategies to either stay motivated, or to mitigate your stress. FOCUS → Having time in your day for the concentration that directs your energy where it matters most, allowing you to reach peak performance in your day. THINK: How do you block off time in your day to accomplish the work that requires your most intense focus? The Stress vs. Performance Curve Another important concept that goes along with creating flow in our work lives, is understanding the stress vs performance curve. Think about a person with a low stress job (on the left-hand side of the graph). The job is easy for them, they have low stress, not much challenge in their day, and not very exciting, which can lead to apathy without this understanding of how to reach PEAK PERFORMANCE. If the job is too easy, without any threat/challenge/fear the person working in this job environment will be under challenged, and will join the 40% of the population who do not reach FLOW in their work day. Then look at the right side of the graph, where a person’s job is on the higher end of the stress scale. Think of someone’s whose work day is filled with putting out fires, minute after minute, until they reach the end of the day, and are exhausted. There is high stress here, and lots of pressure. Think about extreme sports, investment bankers, or consultants, or those who are always running behind, without an end to their daily tasks. Instead of feeling apathy, like the person on the left side of the graph, this person feels anxiety that can lead to depression or burnout. We ALL need to find our optimal stress point, so that our work challenges us just the right amount, leading us to that place of optimal workplace happiness where we can be a part of the 40% of the population who experience that FLOW state, or PEAK PERFORMANCE. 🔑 Practical Tips for Why FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS Matter for Flow & Peak Performance The Stress vs. Performance Curve Low Stress (Left Side: Apathy) Tasks are too easy, repetitive, and uninspiring → boredom sets in. Without FUN/FEAR/FOCUS, you won’t reach flow. Tip: Tie your job tasks to your personal “why” and create deadlines to generate challenge. High Stress (Right Side: Anxiety) Overload, constant fire-fighting, and no room to breathe → burnout and exhaustion. Tip: Find ways to manage stress (recovery breaks, clear priorities, mindfulness) so that pressure fuels, not drains, you. Optimal Stress (Middle: Flow/Peak Performance) The sweet spot—where challenge meets skill. With the right mix of FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS, you engage deeply and perform at your best. THINK: Do you prefer a low stress work environment, or high stress? Whatever you choose, be sure that you understand the best way for you to reach PEAK PERFORMANCE, and prevent apathy/boredom on the left side of the chart, or burnout, anxiety, depression on the right side. I know I’m the happiest working with on the right side of the graph, where stress can be higher, and am always looking for new and healthy ways to better manage
