Elevating Consciousness Artem Zen

Layman Pascal is a prominent thinker in the Liminal, Metamodern, Game B, and Integral spaces. His work explores post-metaphysics, nonduality, metamodernism, integral metatheory, new shamanism, the future of religion, developmental philosophy, and meta-progressive politics. He is also the co-host of the mind-bending Integral Stage podcast. This episode was a live event recorded during Limicon 2024 and explored some of Layman’s ideas from his two popular essays “The Metamodern Business Burea” & “Make Game A Pay for the Wall”. After our dialogue, we opened the floor for participants to ask questions and share reflections. We navigated a wide range of topics including transforming the money & meaning relationship on a personal and societal level, developing a more conscious approach to business, new economic experiments, starting liminal business crews, bridging left and right brain ways of knowing, our relationship to dopamine and so much more.


🔗[Links & resources] 🔗

The Metamodern Business Burea by Layman Pascal - https://laymanpascal.substack.com/p/the-metamodern-business-bureau-mmbb
Make Game A pay for the Wall by Laman Pascal - https://laymanpascal.substack.com/p/make-game-a-pay-for-the-wall?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Layman’s substack - https://laymanpascal.substack.com/
Integral Stage podcast - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaA4zkLRnR3lGm8Y7c5Tvdw
Linchpin by Seth Godin - https://www.amazon.com/Linchpin-Are-Indispensable-Seth-Godin/dp/1591844096


📝 [Show notes] 📝

0:00 - Introduction
2:40 -Transforming the money & meaning relationship on a personal and societal level
5:52 - Making the Metamodern Business Burea come alive
10:39 - Early examples of liminal business crews and what’s missing
13:42 - Developing a more conscious approach to business and economics education
16:45 - New economic experiments
20:16 - Finding clients who can pay for your services
27:52 - Do we need to be more careful, or more courageous, in our sources of material wealth?
33:23 - How we can influence the wealthiest families in the world to distribute their money?
36:50 - Do liminal & metamodern thinkers go over people’s heads?
38:16 - Finding your role in the liminal ecosystem (simplifying and complexifying)
41:08 - Connecting people with complementary skill sets and starting businesses
44:25 - Nominating liminal business leaders, failing forward, and learning from elders
49:30 - Group reflections
49:52 - It doesn’t need to be perfect we just need to take action
52:31 - Finding the right words to connect the liminal/metamodern space to the conventional world
57:07 - Bridging left and right brain ways of knowing
1:00:00 - Finding the economic model hidden in the inspiration and locating people & spaces at the edge of Game A 
1:03:27 - How to do better business, why do we need marketing, b******t jobs & our relationship to dopamine 
1:13:22 - Mapping coherence and navigating divergence
1:16:32 - What’s next?


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Darcia Narvaez is a professor of psychology whose work explores the neurobiology of moral development, evolved parenting practices, and small-band hunter-gatherer societies. In 2020, she was identified as one of the top 2 percent of scientists worldwide in a recent analysis of 8 million scientists around the world. She is the president of Kindred World a non-profit dedicated to creating a wisdom-based worldview and the founder of the Evolved Nest a Kindred World initiative that integrates findings across various fields that bear on child development, child raising, and adult behavior while promoting optimal health and wellbeing, cooperation and sociomoral intelligences. She is the author of several books including the award-winning Neurobiology and the Development of Human Morality. In this episode, we speak about the optimal environment for early child development and how our modern culture falls short of this, navigating order & chaos in parenting, the surprising truth about nature & nurture, how the collaboration and competition dynamic is related to left & right brain views of the world, contrasting views of wisdom, and so much more.


🔗 [Links & resources] 🔗

Darcia’s personal site - https://darcianarvaez.com/
The Evolved Nest (site) - https://evolvednest.org/
Neurobiology and the Development of Human Morality by Darcia Narvaez - https://www.amazon.com/Neurobiology-Development-Human-Morality-Interpersonal/dp/0393706559
Breaking the Cycle of Competitive Detachment (short film) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jATflgNvl-E
Reimagining Humanity (short film) - ​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_JR5fcrKkI&list=PLKSc66Q_SuJPviwCKee4mMaXyVm0TUFtM&index=21
The Evolved Nest (short film) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo54PdNnNPg&list=PLUh7caZTn4oAV5K6Pg8GLpK7GgMtxs_Tl&index=2&t=9s
( full list on YouTube page)


📝 [Show notes] 📝

0:00 - Introduction
2:01 - An overview of Darcia’s work
5:22 - The role of safety in morality
7:29 - The optimal environment for early child development
15:42 - The importance of breastfeeding & co-sleeping
18:00 - How the modern world falls short of the evolved developmental niche
25:45 - Navigating Order & Chaos in Parenting
35:39 - What is the relationship between nature & nurture?
41:32 - How life for indigenous people was different than it is in the modern world
44:19 - Was war always a part of humanity?
54:18 - Relating the collaboration & competition dynamic to left and right brain views of the world
1:02:27 - Contrasting views of wisdom
1:07:58 - Resources & tools for creating a more wholesome life
1:14:07 - Learning to regulate our nervous systems through play
1:17:10 - Why returning to the evolved nest is critical for the world



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Bruce Tift is a psychotherapist, author, and long-time meditation practitioner. As a therapist he’s done his rounds – working in a psychiatric ward, social services, and maintaining a private practice since 1979. As a teacher, he taught at Naropa University for twenty-five years and lectured all throughout the world. He is also a Vajrayana Buddhism practitioner with over 40 years of practice under his belt. On his journey he has been fortunate enough to be a student of Chogyam Trunga Rinpoche and to meet a number of other realized teachers. He is the author of “Already Free” a fascinating book that explores the relationship between Psychotherapy and awakening. In this episode, we speak about the irresolvable paradox of relationship, what it means to be psychospiritually mature, stepping out of identification through immediate sensation, Individual vs couples therapy, nonduality & the Vajrayana view, and a healthier approach to awakening & liberation. 


🔗 [Links & resources] 🔗

Bruce’s personal site - https://www.brucetift.com/
Already Free by Bruce Tift - https://www.amazon.com/Already-Free-Buddhism-Psychotherapy-Liberation/dp/1622034112
Zen Mind, Beginners Mind by Shunryu Suzuki - https://www.artemzen.com/book/zen-mind-beginners-mind-by-shunryu-suzuki/
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%B6gyam_Trungpa
What is Circling? - https://www.artemzen.com/what-is-circling/



📝 [Show notes] 📝

0:00 - Introduction
2:10 - The pivotal events that put Bruce on the path
6:32 - The relationship between psychotherapy (healing) and awakening
13:01 - Bruce pulls the chair out from beneath me
16:58 - The irresolvable paradox of relationship
18:10 - Is it possible to heal and develop psychologically without psychotherapy?
19:34 - What does it mean to be psychospiritually mature?
23:30 - Holding developmental models lightly 
25:55 - Learning to experience story-free anxiety
35:23 - Stepping out identification through immediate sensation
42:30 - Why struggle is a way not to deal with our lives
53:43 - Individual vs Couples Therapy (navigating connection & separateness )
1:06:29 - Using Circling/Relatefulness practice to understand your emotions and develop intimacy
1:10:29 - Diving into non-duality and the Vajrayana view
1:18:08 - A healthier view of awakening & liberation
1:26:11 - The hard problem of consciousness


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Richard Bartlett is a community organizer, entrepreneur & coach who helps people grow high-trust communities & decentralized organizations. Back in 2011, he was a part of the Occupy Wall Street movement, a pivotal moment that set him on the path to becoming a key player in Enspiral - an organization that shares money, power & information to help its members do meaningful work. 

He went on to found Loomio, a software that helps companies seamlessly navigate the intricacies of decentralized organization. Later he founded the Hum, a non-hierarchical management consultancy that’s rewriting the rules of how we work together. His latest venture is a community-building network and movement known as Microsolidarity. 

In this episode, we speak about essential modalities & practices for community builders, building trust and accelerating personal growth through community, navigating the polarity of autonomy and belonging, collective intelligence, how to integrate vulnerability into the workplace, creating decentralized organizations and so much more. 


🔗 [Links & resources] 🔗

Rich’s personal site - https://richdecibels.com/
Microsoldarity network and community building practice - https://www.microsolidarity.cc/
Rich’s Consultancy The Hum - https://www.thehum.org/



📝 [Show notes] 📝

0:00 - Introduction 
2:32 - How Rich’s upbringing led to his work with community building & team organization 
6:50 - The importance of integrating traditional values 
8:44 - Creating a pluralistic community with a capacity to hold many perspectives 
19:16 - What is Microsolidarity?
27:45 - How group size changes relational dynamics 
30:35 - Essential modalities and practices for community builders
36:25 - Insights from Enspiral and working in community 
44:33 - Building trust and accelerating personal growth through community 
47:22 - The challenges of visionary leadership
54:51 - Navigating the polarity of autonomy and belonging 
59:28 - Michael Levin, the superorganism, collective intelligence, and the illusion of being self-made
1:08:40 - How to integrate vulnerability into the workplace
1:17:20 - Creating decentralized organizations 
1:26:40 - Additional resources for community builders



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North Burn is a meditation teacher and practitioner. For the past fifteen years, he has devoted himself full-time to practice, primarily in Insight Meditation and Soto Zen schools, as well as other immersive settings.

Collectively, he has spent five years in monastic communities, two years in silent intensive retreats, and several years in solitude and self-directed study. Some of the teachers who have influenced him the most include Joseph Goldstein, Greg Scharf, Leslie James, and Tenshin Reb Anderson Roshi.

In 2016, after the encouragement of his teachers, he began teaching meditation retreats. During the pandemic, he came up with the inspiration to start Boundless Refuge an annual 3-month silent retreat dedicated to transforming suffering into peace by practicing the middle way.  When not teaching or organizing retreats, he devotes substantial energy to meditation practice, engaging with spiritual mentors, and continuing his study of various spiritual modalities and traditions.

In this episode, we speak about the benefits of long retreats & intensive meditation practice, Sutric vs Tantric perspectives on Dharma, the pros & cons of being open about spiritual attainments, integrating stories into spirituality, the relationship between psychedelics & meditation, and so much more.


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David Loy is a professor, writer, and Zen teacher in Sanbo Zen tradition. He began zen practice in 1971 and finished the formal koan curriculum in 1988. For many years he has taught as a professor of Buddhist and comparative philosophy. Although he has retired from academia he continues to lecture internationally focusing primarily on the intersection of Buddhism and modernity and what they can learn from each other.

Unless he is traveling, every Friday morning he guides an online meditation followed by a brief dharma talk. He is the author of many books including Lack & Transcendence, Ecodharma, and Nonduality: In Buddhism and Beyond. 

In this episode, we speak about the fundamental problem of human existence through the lens of psychotherapy, existentialism & Buddhism, the limits of philosophy, integrating personal with collective transformation, addressing the meaning crisis, and so much more. 


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