Embodiment for the Rest of Us

Chavonne A. McClay, MSW, LCSW (she/her) and Jenn Jackson, MPH, RDN, LD (she/her)
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Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) are a HAES®-aligned dietitian and therapist, respectively, who are passionate about dismantling the intersectional barriers to embodiment within the context of the matrix of domination. In this show, they interview professionals and those with lived experience alike to learn how they are affecting radical change and how we can all make this world a safer place for those living in larger bodies and in marginalized spaces. EFTROU is currently publishing season 4 every month on the first Thursdays of each month through April 2025.

  1. APR 17

    Season 4 Wrap-Up Episode: Words of the Year, Renewed Unmasking, and Season 5 Coming in 2026 - EFTROU: S4Ep12

    Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 12: Season 4 Wrap-Up   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) wrap up season 4 by reviewing their words of the year for 2024 and 2025, renewed invitations for unmasking while recording, re-commitments to anti-oppression, and season 5 coming in 2026!   Content Warning: Mention of the multiple genocides occurring globally   Trigger Warnings: None for this episode   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-12-season-4-wrap-up/#captions   A few highlights: 2:06: Chavonne and Jenn discuss their words for 2024 and 2025 3:22: Jenn and Chavonne share how these words have shown up in their lives and the podcast 10:41: Chavonne and Jenn discuss cultural shifts in embodiment, including a re-commitment to anti-oppressive direction   Links from this episode: Imani Barbarin Intersectionality Matrix of Domination Morgan Harper Nichols Neurodivergence Nicola Haggett Dr. Rachel Fox     Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus

    31 min

  2. FEB 20

    Deep Dive: Relating Across Difference, Murmuration as Metaphor, and a Sacred Unmasking with Nikki Haggett - EFTROU: S4, Ep11

    Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 11: Nikki Haggett   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Nikki Haggett (they/she) in a deep dive about relating across difference, murmuration as metaphor, and a sacred unmasking.   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally,discussion of fascism, mention of childhood sexual abuse   Trigger Warnings: None for this episode   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-11-nikki-haggett/#captions   A few highlights: 12:37: Nikki discusses the idea of embodiment while recognizing our own neurodivergence 30:05: Nikki discusses how training to be a Gestalt therapist is impacting their own embodiment 1:20:56: Nikki shares help she helps clients them notice how to stay embodied or even purposefully disembodied 1:33:59: Nikki discusses what’s next for them   Links from this episode: Ableism Adam Wolfond Autism Autistic Masking Bodymind Co-regulation Exteroception Gestalt Therapy Interoception Dr. Margaret Price Murmuration Sanism The Telepathy Tapes Window of Regulation   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs.com BlueSky: EmbodimentRestOfUs Instagram: @EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs

    1h 38m

  3. 12/19/2024

    A Clinically Fat Ass and Passion Projects, Part 2 with Dr. Rachel Fox - EFTROU: S4, Ep10

    Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 10: Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD (she/her) about her embodiment journey! Specifically we talk about having a clinically fat ass and passion projects (aka the dissertation Doctor Fox just defended last Tuesday!!!)   Dr. Rachel Fox is an Assistant Professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at Grand Valley State University. She is also a Kroner Family Fellow, Judith and Neil Morgan Fellow, and UC President's Dissertation Year Fellow in the Communication Department, Science Studies Program, and Critical Gender Studies Graduate Specialization at UC San Diego. Her dissertation will be available as an open access document in 1 or 2 months from this episode’s publication. She holds a BA in Biology from Wesleyan University, an MS in Narrative Medicine from Columbia University, and an MA in Communication from UC San Diego. Her research has been published in the Fat Studies Journal, Women’s Studies: An Interdisciplinary Journal, and the Journal of Applied Social Psychology. In 2021, she joined the Centre for Fat Liberation and Scholarship as an Inaugural Junior Fellow. Her research critically examines how anti-obesity efforts drive anti-fatness in the US and how the field of weight stigma research perpetuates anti-fatness through its refusal to divest from an anti-obesity agenda.   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs), discussion of ABA (Applied Behavior Analysis)   Trigger Warnings:  This episode uses the word “obesity” throughout without being bleeped.   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-10-doctor-rachel-fox/#captions   A few highlights: 10:03: Rachel shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges 18:35: Rachel discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her 27:07: Rachel shares her passion project and how it has affected her own embodiment 1:31:21: Rachel discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation 1:35:17: Rachel shares where to be found and what’s next for her   Links from this episode: Autism Blakeley H. Payne The Body is Not An Apology (Book) The Body is Not An Apology (IG) Decolonizing Therapy Mikey Mercedes Monica Kriete Neurodivergence OCD Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA) Public Health’s Power-Neutral, Fatphobic Obsession with “Food Deserts” Rowan Hildebrand-Chupp Sonya Renee Taylor Weight Stigma Conference   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

    1h 42m

  4. 12/05/2024

    Fat Embodiment as in Living a Whole Ass Fat Life, Part 1 with Rachel Fox - EFTROU: S4, Ep9

    Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 9: Rachel Fox   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Rachel Fox (she/her) about her embodiment journey   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs)   Trigger Warnings:  This episode will use the word obesity throughout without being bleeped.   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-9-rachel-fox/#captions   A few highlights: 14:00: Rachel shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey 20:44: Rachel names her privileges and marginalizations 42:11: Rachel discusses how the pandemic has affected her embodiment practices 1:26:24: Rachel shares where to be found and what’s next for her   Links from this episode: ADHD Against Progress Autism Blakeley H. Payne Dr. Caleb Luna The Fantasy of Being Thin Hegemonic Futurity Heavy: An American Memoir Dr. Kate Harding Kiese Laymon Kyriarchy Mikey Mercedes Monica Kriete Neurodivergence Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA) Positionality Rachel Fox Relative Fat vs. Absolute Fat Reproductive Futurity Rowan Hildebrand-Chupp Settler Colonialism Tiana Dodson   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus

    1h 33m

  5. 11/28/2024

    Deep Dive Part 3: The Political is Personal is Professional with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep8

    Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 8: Third and Final Deep Dive (this season hehe) with Lindley Ashline   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for the final of a three-part deep dive about embodiment   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of current politics   Trigger Warnings:  None for this episode   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-8-lindley-ashline/#captions   A few highlights: 22:36: Lindley discusses her thin privilege series on social media 38:09: Lindley shares her boundaries when doing social media work   Links from this episode: Autism Jes Baker Bri Campos Lindley’s Master List of Resources Megan Jayne Crabbe Fearing the Black Body Rahaeli Sonya Renee Taylor   Accounts that Highlight the Intersection of Fatness and Disability Imani Barbarin - https://www.instagram.com/crutches_and_spice/ Val - https://www.instagram.com/val_and.co/ J Aprileo - https://www.instagram.com/jayaprileo/ Corissa sometimes talks about disability - https://www.instagram.com/fatgirlflow/ Shilo George - https://www.instagram.com/shilogeorge/ FLARE - https://www.flareproject.org/ Sarah - https://www.instagram.com/fromsarahlex/  https://www.instagram.com/fatdisabledworthy/ ← project by Sarah (prior link) Clarkisha - https://www.instagram.com/clarkishakent/ (writer often featuring the particular intersection of disability and fatness) Dan - https://x.com/notdanhastings Sydneysky G. - https://www.instagram.com/syddskyy/ Adrie Rose - https://www.instagram.com/adrierising/ Sami Schalk - https://www.instagram.com/fierceblackfemme Jervae - https://www.instagram.com/jervae Vinny - https://www.instagram.com/fierce.fatty Sonny Jane Wise - https://www.instagram.com/livedexperienceeducator/ Angel Austin - https://www.instagram.com/sacredspaceforfatbodies/ Leah - https://www.instagram.com/fativism/ https://www.instagram.com/disabilitydecember/ ← yearly reading challenge Mikey - https://www.instagram.com/fatmarquisele Tigress - https://www.instagram.com/iofthetigress/  Dr Whitney Trotter - https://www.instagram.com/whitneytrotter.rd/    Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

    51 min

  6. 07/18/2024

    Deep Dive Part 2: Intertwining Stories, Parties Not Lectures, and Blanket Forts as Embodiment with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep7

    Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 7: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline   Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia   Trigger Warnings:  1:14:57: Jenn mentions a fatness category that might be triggering   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-7-lindley-ashline/#captions   A few highlights: 3:49: Lindley shares the pond as a metaphor for embodiment 41:47: Lindley discusses the Body Liberation Blanket Fort 1:12:03: Lindley shares how disability as a framework feels related to embodiment conversations   Links from this episode: ADHD Autism Corrisa Enneking Diabetes Dr. Shai-Akil McLean Fat Woman with Surgery Scar Stock Photo Fatness Spectrum FLARE Project Imani Barbarin Intersectionality: Key Concepts J Aprileo Kimberle Crenshaw The Matrix of Domination Models of Disability Neurodivergence Nicola Haggett Nicola Haggett’s Embodiment Journey Shilo George   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

    1h 20m

  7. 07/04/2024

    Deep Dive Part 1: Capitalist Mythology, the Comfort of Power, and Depth + Clarity as a Container for Embodiment with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep6

    Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 6: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline   Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia   Trigger Warnings:  44:33: Lindley mentions death threats    The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-6-lindley-ashline/#captions   A few highlights: 5:43: Lindley shares embodiment as conversation and/or partnership with our bodies 35:45: Lindley discusses “capitalist mythology” in the average body positivity/liberation conversation 1:45:13: Lindley shares the idea of embodiment as a practice of depth and clarity   Links from this episode: ADHD Alan Levinovitz Autism Blue Sky Fearing the Black Body Harm Reduction Jes Baker KC Davis Neathery Falchuk Neurodivergence Roxane Gay The 11 Reasons Why People Hate Fat People White Supremacy Culture   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

    2h 15m

  8. 06/06/2024

    Deep Dive Part 1: Attending and Attuning to the Body, Unconscious Contracts with the Systems that Affect Us, and Loving Accountability with Michelle Phillips - EFTROU: S4, Ep5

    Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 5: Deep Dive with Michelle Phillips   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Michelle Phillips (they/them/we) for a deep dive about attending and attuning to the body, unconscious contracts with the systems that affect us, and loving accountability.   Content Warning: discussion of intentional weight loss, discussion of multiple genocides taking place at this time   Trigger Warnings: None in this episode   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-5-michelle-phillips/#captions   A few highlights: 8:53: Michelle discusses the simplicities and complexities (equally) of embodiment as we go about our daily lives Links from this episode: Neurodivergence Polyvagal Theory Vagus Nerve   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

    1h 9m
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Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) are a HAES®-aligned dietitian and therapist, respectively, who are passionate about dismantling the intersectional barriers to embodiment within the context of the matrix of domination. In this show, they interview professionals and those with lived experience alike to learn how they are affecting radical change and how we can all make this world a safer place for those living in larger bodies and in marginalized spaces. EFTROU is currently publishing season 4 every month on the first Thursdays of each month through April 2025.

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  • Creator
    Chavonne A. McClay, MSW, LCSW (she/her) and Jenn Jackson, MPH, RDN, LD (she/her)
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2025
  • Episodes
    48
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © Copyright 2021 All rights reserved.
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    Embodiment for the Rest of Us