The Unbreakable Boundaries Podcast

Jennifer Maneely

Setting and maintaining boundaries is the difference between allowing others to dictate your life and intentionally creating the life you truly want.  I have come to understand just how critical healthy boundaries are. Boundaries are not static; they evolve, grow, and shift over time, and they require ongoing attention and reassessment. This podcast serves as a regular check-in for your own boundaries and as a source of insight, encouragement, and practical guidance to help you establish and uphold the limits you know you need in order to protect your well-being and move toward the life you envision for yourself.

  1. #76 Karen Perlmutter: The Mountain: Reframing Addiction for Families

    1D AGO

    #76 Karen Perlmutter: The Mountain: Reframing Addiction for Families

    I want to speak directly to you as someone who may be walking alongside a loved one who is struggling with substance use. In a recent podcast conversation, I interviewed therapist Karen Perlmutter, who specializes in substance abuse and mental illness and has over a decade of experience working with families. Our discussion focused on her evidence-based curriculum designed specifically for families, available through her practice, Collaborative Counseling LLC. Karen’s work exists because she has seen how much pain families carry and how often they are left out of the treatment process, and she is committed to making sure you do not have to navigate this alone. Karen shared how, early in her career, she focused almost entirely on the person with the addiction and realized later that she had a major blind spot: she was not fully seeing the mountain that families are climbing at the very same time. She uses “the mountain” as a central metaphor in her work. Addiction sits at the top, and on one side is the person who is using substances, struggling in their own way. On the other side is the family, scrambling to reach them, often exhausted, scared, and confused. Karen’s curriculum is about building a bridge between those two sides, helping families deeply understand what their loved one is facing while also honoring the very real and valid struggles families experience themselves. In our conversation, Karen described what she calls a “desperation for restoration.” Families remember their loved one at their best and are desperate to get that version of them back. Out of that desperation, many of us try to fix, rescue, control, and manage every aspect of our loved one’s life. These efforts are loving and understandable, but as Karen points out, they often backfire or become counterproductive. In her course, she walks families through practical, step-by-step ways to move out of crisis-driven reactions and into more effective, compassionate responses that actually support change rather than unintentionally fueling the cycle. Karen also talked about shame as one of the heaviest burdens families carry. You might find yourself asking where you went wrong, what you could have done differently, or why this is happening in your family. Karen emphasizes that addiction is a complex disease with biological, psychological, social, and spiritual components. It is rarely, if ever, about one person’s failure or one family’s flaw. She shared the story of a father who came to see that he was responsible for only a small piece of his child’s struggle, and how that realization allowed him to move out of paralyzing guilt and into a place where he could actually be helpful. Her curriculum is designed to help families untangle blame, understand the true complexity of addiction, and find support from other families so they no longer feel isolated or uniquely defective. One of the most frightening issues Karen and I discussed is suicidal language. Many families hear statements like “I can’t do this anymore” or “Maybe it would be better if I weren’t here” and are thrown into terror. Karen explains that this kind of language can sometimes express overwhelming feelings, sometimes be used in a manipulative way, and sometimes signal real, imminent danger. In her course, she teaches a concept she calls “language precision” to help families listen more carefully to what is being communicated, respond thoughtfully rather than reactively, and know when and how to seek professional help. Her goal is for families to take all suicidal language seriously, but not to be held hostage by it. Another core element of Karen’s approach is helping families set value-based boundaries. Many of us set boundaries in the heat of the moment: “If you ever do this again, you are out,” or “I’m done helping you forever.” These kinds of boundaries come from real pain, but they are often unsustainable and confusing for everyone. Karen instead encourages families to identify their core values, such as safety, honesty, respect, and kindness, and to create boundaries that flow from those values. That can translate into limits around money, substances in the home, behavior in shared spaces, or how communication is handled. When boundaries are rooted in values rather than raw emotion, they tend to be more consistent, clearer, and more likely to be upheld. We also talked about the pressure families feel around “self-care.” Karen acknowledges that when you are in constant crisis, being told to take a bubble bath or relax can feel dismissive or impossible. In her experience, families first need help stabilizing the immediate chaos—understanding what is happening, putting some initial boundaries in place, and getting educated about the illness. Only after that groundwork is laid does self-care begin to feel possible. Throughout her course, she weaves in realistic, practical forms of self-care and emphasizes the importance of connecting with other families and supportive professionals. Karen is clear that families deserve support and that their well-being matters, not only for their own sake but because a more grounded, supported parent, partner, or sibling can show up more effectively for a loved one. All of these insights are built into the family course Karen you can find at collaborativecounseling.podia.com. It is a structured, evidence-based guide for families navigating addiction, covering understanding the disease, using the mountain metaphor, working through shame and comparison, responding to suicidal language, setting value-based boundaries, and slowly reclaiming your own life and health in the process. The course is designed so you can move at your own pace, revisit key concepts, and use it as a shared framework for conversations within your family.

    1h 1m
  2. MAY 18

    #75: Pocket Guide: What to Bring to Rehab

    In this Pocket Guide episode of the Unbreakable Boundaries podcast, host Jennifer Maneely walks families through a practical but often overlooked question: how do you pack when your loved one is heading into treatment? Jennifer starts with the basics: always use the treatment center’s official packing list as your primary guide. Space is limited, so bring a reasonable amount of clothing with layers appropriate to the season—think a range of jackets in winter or light layers for summer, especially since many facilities are heavily air-conditioned and temperature regulation can be difficult early in recovery. She strongly cautions against packing anything expensive or sentimental that would be devastating to lose. Even non‑valuable but cherished items should stay home. Instead, focus on comfort and emotional support items that are low‑risk but high‑value. One of Jennifer’s top recommendations is a good journal and pen. She shares how her own rehab journal, given to her by her mom over 20 years ago, became a meaningful way to process the experience and later reflect on how far she’d come. Jennifer also addresses some “controversial” items that may or may not be allowed, depending on the facility: - Candy and treats: While some people worry about sugar, Jennifer argues that, from someone who’s been through rehab multiple times, small comforts like candy or chocolate can provide a much-needed sense of normalcy and something to look forward to in an otherwise difficult environment—if the treatment center permits them. - Recreational reading: Many centers prefer that clients focus solely on recovery material, but if allowed, Jennifer suggests sending one good, healthy, non-recovery book at a time. For people dealing with intense shame and mental overload in early recovery, a little “healthy escape” can be grounding. She recommends balancing this by not overloading them with books—let them finish one, maybe take a short break, and then send another. Some things are almost always off-limits: over‑the‑counter medications like Tylenol or Advil. Treatment staff will handle and dispense needed medications themselves. Jennifer also suggests sending a small backpack or tote so your loved one can easily carry essentials like their journal and book around the facility. Finally, she encourages families to plan on sending at least one care package after their loved one has settled in. Once they’re there, they’ll have a clearer idea of what they need, and receiving a package is often a powerful emotional reminder that they’re loved and not forgotten—even if they don’t always show it. Jennifer invites listeners to reach out with questions at info@therecoveringfamily.org or via therecoveringfamily.org, and she previews the next episodes: what to expect in the first few days after drop‑off, especially when someone doesn’t really want to be in treatment, followed by an episode on what the journey looks like when someone does want to be there.

    12 min
  3. FEB 3

    #72: Beyond the Brochure: What to Look for in a Treatment Program

    Choosing a treatment center can feel overwhelming, especially when you’re scared, exhausted, and trying to do the “right” thing for someone you love. In this episode of The Unbreakable Boundaries Podcast, we break down how to navigate this decision with clarity, confidence, and compassion. We start by unpacking what “the right fit” really means. It’s not just about a glossy website or a quick admission date—it’s about matching your loved one’s needs with the appropriate level of care, philosophy, and support. We talk about how to avoid panic-driven decisions and instead move toward thoughtful, informed choices.   Next, we zoom out from the crisis moment. Recovery isn’t a 30-day event; it’s a long-term process. We explore how treatment centers fit into the bigger picture of ongoing care, relapse prevention, and rebuilding a life. You’ll hear why families should think past “getting them in somewhere” and focus on what comes after discharge. Not everyone needs or benefits from the same level of care. We break down PHP and IOP—what they are, who they’re for, and how they differ from residential treatment. We discuss how these programs support step-down care, help maintain progress, and can be powerful tools in a continuum of treatment, especially for people balancing work, school, or family responsibilities.    Here we get specific about what should be non-negotiable when choosing a program. We cover essentials like evidence-based treatment, licensed clinicians, medical oversight, individualized care plans, family involvement, and ethical marketing and billing practices. We also talk about red flags—high-pressure sales tactics, vague clinical information, or promises that sound too good to be true—and how to spot them. We close by focusing on you—the family. Recovery isn’t just about the person entering treatment; it’s a family process. We discuss how families can participate in treatment in healthy ways, support without enabling, and get their own help through therapy, support groups, and education. You’ll learn why your healing matters just as much, and how an effective treatment center will include and support the family as part of the plan. By the end of the episode, you’ll be better equipped to ask the right questions, recognize quality care, and choose a treatment center that supports real, sustainable recovery for your loved one—and for your family as a whole.

    52 min
4.3
out of 5
3 Ratings

About

Setting and maintaining boundaries is the difference between allowing others to dictate your life and intentionally creating the life you truly want.  I have come to understand just how critical healthy boundaries are. Boundaries are not static; they evolve, grow, and shift over time, and they require ongoing attention and reassessment. This podcast serves as a regular check-in for your own boundaries and as a source of insight, encouragement, and practical guidance to help you establish and uphold the limits you know you need in order to protect your well-being and move toward the life you envision for yourself.