As nation-states double down on borders, nationalism, and readiness for war, some people are choosing not to wait around to see how that ends. Amanda Cassatt sits down with Timour Kosters, who worked alongside Vitalik Buterin on Zuzalu, and co-founder of Edge City, a borderless pop-up society where highly driven builders, thinkers, and creators experiment with life beyond the nation-state. Emerging directly from the Zuzalu experiment in Montenegro, Edge City functions as a live prototype for post-national belonging, a place where identity, culture, and collaboration are designed deliberately rather than inherited by accident. Timour explains how Zuzalu shaped Edge City’s core philosophy: opting out of national identity, rejecting reflexive patriotism, and building high-trust communities that can survive disagreement without collapsing into tribalism. Edge City offers sovereignty within, giving people a way to escape inherited identities, nationalistic pressures, and the growing assumption that global conflict is inevitable. Heterogeneity and multidisciplinarity are intentional. Edge City incubates startups, launches new fields of inquiry, and partners with emerging cities and jurisdictions, turning the community itself into a platform for coordination and long-term impact. The result is a network that produces ideas, companies, and alliances that would be difficult or impossible to form inside traditional state structures. Edge City even tracks an unusual metric of success: children, and conceptions. Including families is not sentimental, it is strategic. It binds people to the community, creates continuity across generations, and embeds the next cohort inside a society actively experimenting with alternatives to nation-states. In a world increasingly organized around borders and conflict, Edge City is betting that opting out early is the real advantage. Timestamps 00:00 Introduction 01:05 Vitalik’s goal: a minimum viable “crazy thing” that’s long enough to become real life 03:00 What Zuzalu was really for (and Timour’s role running the AI track) 08:10 Edge City’s design goal: heterogeneity and multidisciplinarity (and the fault lines) 10:40 AI safety vs accelerationism, crypto skeptics, political diversity—and why debate is hard 16:50 Where Edge City fits in a world of geopolitical blocs 19:40 Timour’s personal relationship to Russia and why he’s not a nationalist 22:10 Can network societies become bridging nodes across spheres of influence? 24:10 Historical parallel: the “International” before WWI—and what’s different now 26:10 Fear as a political tool—and why hope is “really punk” 32:00 The missing step in the Network State: kinship before land 36:10 Startup example: Constellation and the compressed loop from idea → data → investors 41:20 Working with towns and jurisdictions: Esmeralda, Bhutan, and “drop-shipping” talent 47:10 Why kids are a North Star metric—and how families change the entire vibe 49:30 “Conceptions” as an internal joke metric—and what it signals about community health 51:00 Closing: building futures that feel livable, not hollow Subscribe to Endgame: https://www.youtube.com/@endgamepodcast Edge City on X: https://x.com/JoinEdgeCity Timour on X: https://x.com/timourxyz Amanda on X: https://x.com/amandacassatt Serotonin on X: https://x.com/serotonin Endgame on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6iSvbKOJWoEPiAoGmiulkd Endgame on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/endgame-with-amanda-cassatt/id1801809440 Substack: https://substack.com/@UCInZsV3L1nDGoFjxoNUnPQQ
