Today's episode is a special conversation and recap of Elisabeth Condon and my experiences collaborating as visual artists in the ballet project CounterPointe (now in its 12th year) produced by Norte Maar and staged at the Mark O'Donnell Theater (Brooklyn) in March 2025. Jennifer Coates kindly came on to ask us questions about making props and what it was like for 2 newbies to enter the world of dance. Thanks, Jennifer! Special thanks also to Norte Maar and its co-directors, Julia K. Gleich and Jason Andrew for their support of artists and creative collaboration. More information about Elisabeth and Amy's work: Elisabeth: https://www.elisabethcondon.com/ | @elisabethcondon Amy: https://www.amytalluto.com/ | @talluts More information about Julia Gleich and Jason Andrew's NorteMaar & CounterPointe12: https://www.nortemaar.org/projects/counterpointe12 Julia K. Gleich's website: https://www.gleichdances.org/ Julia Gleich interview on this podcast: Episode 49 The dances we discussed: "Vermillion | 10" by Ava Desiderio and Elisabeth Condon Dancers: Minami Ando, Lucia Betelu Support structures: Elise Wunderlich Music by Zero Eklipse and William Pilarte Lighting: Evan Spigelman Mark O'Donnell Theater, Brooklyn, March 2025 "And So It Begins" by Margaret Wiss and Amy Talluto Dancers: Maya Tsuruki Holden and Jaclyn Kriewall Music by Margaret Wiss Lighting: Evan Spigelman Mark O'Donnell Theater, Brooklyn, March 2025 "46 Gordon" by Julia K. Gleich and Nicole Cherubini Dancers: Michelle Buckley, Kara Chan, Annie Freeman, Amber Neff, Ethan Schweitzer-Gaslin Lighting: Evan Spigelman Mark O'Donnell Theater, Brooklyn, March 2025 Special thanks to Jennifer Coates for interviewing us! Jennifer's website: https://www.jenniferlcoates.com/ Jennifer on IG: @jennifercoates666 Artists mentioned: Henri Matisse, William Kentridge, Florine Stettheimer, Keisha Prioleau Martin, Meg Lipke, Elana Herzog, Nicole Cherubini, Alvin Ailey, Judith Jamison (Dancer), Julia K. Gleich (Choreographer), Jason Andrew Dances mentioned: "Afternoon of a Faun" by the Ballet Russes, “Minutiae” (1954) Robert Rauschenberg and Merce Cunningham, "Cry" Alvin Ailey Video mentioned: "How to Make Theater Props" by Eric Bucklein (not actually old but young) https://youtu.be/JSl5Vc8mej0?si=KWGdOxnijBiEEGZc Book mentioned: Inigo Philbrick "All That Glitters: A Story of Friendship, Fraud, and Fine Art" Exhibition mentioned: "Edges of Ailey" at the Whitney All music by Soundstripe ---------------------------- Pep Talks on IG: @peptalksforartists Pep Talks website: https://www.peptalksforartists.com/ Amy, your beloved host, on IG: @talluts Pep Talks on Art Spiel as written essays: https://tinyurl.com/7k82vd8s BuyMeACoffee Donations always appreciated!