Escape the CEO Doom Loop

Glen Dall & John Ninkovich

Escape the CEO Doom Loop is built for CEOs and leadership teams ready to grow. Each episode delivers practical insights, real-world stories, and tools you can use today to lead with clarity and scale with confidence. We spotlight what’s working—and what’s not—for leaders navigating growth, building culture, and driving accountability.  It’s more than a podcast—it’s a gateway to The CEO Playbook and the next step in becoming the leader your business needs next.

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    Episode 17: When Bigger Becomes the Problem with Brad Giles

    Most CEOs are not stuck because they are bad operators. They are stuck because they are chasing bigger instead of better. This conversation is about the moment when growth stops working, and what replaces it. If you are scaling fast but losing people, clarity, or energy, this episode is for you. 00:00:00 — When growth starts as excitement and turns into strain 00:03:07 — From operator to advisor and why entrepreneurship cuts both ways 00:07:02 — Recognizing the doom loop only after you have lived it 00:09:05 — Fast growth, ego, and the quiet damage it creates 00:11:00 — Why bigger is often a proxy for unresolved leadership decisions 00:14:20 — Compounding versus chasing numbers 00:16:34 — The 15 15 15 lens for controlled growth 00:18:00 — How impatience and lack of discipline fuel the doom loop 00:25:00 — Life by design and the real reason CEOs start companies 00:28:10 — The four flywheels that replace chaos with momentum 00:29:12 — The team doom loop versus building a soulful organization 00:41:15 — Customers, offerings, and why focus beats expansion 00:49:00 — Financial discipline and avoiding shiny object decisions 00:54:12 — Three practices to stay out of the CEO doom loop 00:58:12 — Why entrepreneurship does not have to cost you everything Brad Giles is a serial entrepreneur, leadership coach, and founder of Evolution Partners. He has built and exited fast growth companies and spent more than a decade advising CEOs across Australia and internationally. Brad is the author of Made to Thrive, Onboarded, and Bigger Isn’t Better, Better Is Better. His work focuses on strategy discipline, leadership maturity, and building businesses that compound without destroying quality of life. If this conversation surfaced patterns you recognize in your own role, the CEO Playbook is a practical companion. It outlines how CEOs step out of the doom loop and lead with clarity, structure, and intention, without chasing scale for its own sake. Send a text

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    Episode 16: Why Growth Slows After Success (And What CEOs Miss) with Shannon Susko

    Growth doesn’t slow because CEOs lose ambition or discipline. It slows because success creates complexity faster than structure can keep up. In this episode of Escape the CEO Doom Loop, hosts Glen Dall and John Ninkovich sit down with Shannon Susko to explore why growth often becomes harder after a company is working. Shannon shares why: Success is often the hidden bottleneck to growth Capable CEOs stay stuck longer than they should Founder instinct eventually works against scale Motivation is rarely the real problem Structure is relief, not restriction This episode is not about tactics, hacks, or hustle. It’s about recognizing the moment when leadership must shift, or the CEO Doom Loop tightens. If growth feels slower, decisions feel heavier, and the business depends on you more than it should, this conversation will sound familiar. And that’s the point. 00:00 – When Growth Slows After Success 03:12 – The Hidden Cost of Founder Instinct 07:45 – Why Effort Stops Working for CEOs 12:30 – Success as the Real Bottleneck 17:10 – The CEO Doom Loop Explained 22:40 – Why Capable CEOs Delay Structural Change 28:15 – Structure as Relief, Not Restriction 33:50 – The Leadership Shift That Unlocks Growth 39:20 – Recognizing the Moment You’re In 44:10 – Breaking the Growth Ceiling 48:30 – Final Reflections with Shannon Susko About the Guest Shannon Susko is the founder of Metronomics and a leading authority on scaling growth stage companies. Her work focuses on helping CEOs move beyond founder instinct and install the structure required for sustained, scalable growth. About the Show Escape the CEO Doom Loop is a podcast for CEOs, owners, founders, and presidents who are already successful but stuck in recurring leadership and growth patterns. The show exists to: Name patterns CEOs recognize immediately Reduce shame around leadership strain Normalize structure, coaching, and guidance Shorten the path from insight to action This is not a podcast for beginners. It’s for leaders carrying real responsibility, who know something has to change. Send a text

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    Episode 15: When Hitting Your Goals Leaves You Asking "Now What?" with Dan Hanson

    Most CEOs do not burn out from lack of effort. They burn out from reacting too fast. Dan Hanson is the CEO of Hanson Remodeling, serving homeowners across Minneapolis, St. Paul, and the first ring of suburbs. With a background in business management and philosophy, Dan built the company through hands-on work before shifting his focus to leadership development and long term purpose. Today, his work centers on building a durable culture, developing leaders, and creating a business that lasts beyond the founder. Dan Hanson built a strong company, hit his goals, and still found himself awake at 3 a.m. That was the signal. This conversation is about the shift from gumption to leadership. From solving everything yourself to building people who can. 00:00:00 Pain triggers reactivity or curiosity 00:01:18 Building a company without a clear end goal 00:02:44 Hitting every target and still feeling stuck 00:03:29 Realizing the business could not grow past the CEO 00:04:45 How the Doom Loop shows up at 3 a.m. 00:05:11 When effort becomes the problem 00:06:29 Why calm leadership changes everything 00:07:25 What got you here will not get you there 00:09:16 Develop leaders or replace them 00:11:07 Why swooping in kills leadership growth 00:12:27 Self care as a leadership discipline 00:13:45 Knowing when to put the tools down 00:14:18 How to get out of your head at night 00:15:19 Living in the gap versus the gain 00:17:10 When personal growth creates team chaos 00:19:09 Why CEOs need community 00:20:00 How philosophy shaped decision making 00:21:04 The evolution from money to meaning 00:23:00 Why leadership never feels finished 00:24:22 When success stops being fulfilling 00:27:00 What defines a level five leader 00:29:06 Building something that is not hollow 00:30:07 Imposter syndrome as a growth signal 00:33:20 Doom Loop as regression 00:34:10 Why CEO experience matters in coaching 00:38:17 Accountability as care 00:42:06 Empathy without rescuing 00:45:36 Letting pain teach instead of trigger 00:48:00 Servant leadership is and not or 00:51:16 Letting people go with empathy 00:53:04 Developing thick skin as a CEO 00:56:53 What belongs in the CEO playbook 01:00:07 Pause before you pounce Send a text

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    Episode 14: Accountability Without Emotion: Building a Values-Driven Business with Philip Chabot

    What happens when a CEO realizes he’s the bottleneck in his own business? In this episode of Escape the CEO Doom Loop, hosts Glen Dall and John Ninkovich sit down with Philip Chabot, CEO of RSC Mechanical, to talk about the uncomfortable truth every leader faces — when old habits hold back new growth. Phil shares his candid story of stepping into a 500-person family business, struggling with the “Doom Loop,” and rebuilding through accountability, structure, and consistency. He explains how RSC turned its Compass — a simple framework of mission, vision, and values — into a living system that drives culture and clarity across 19 states. If you’re a founder, entrepreneur, or executive looking to break free from burnout and lead with focus, this episode delivers the real-world playbook: lean in, write it down, make a plan, and stay consistent. Watch now to learn: How to recognize and escape the CEO Doom Loop Creating accountability systems without emotion Balancing family, business, and leadership growth Why consistency beats intensity every time 00:00 – Intro: Welcome to Escape the CEO Doom Loop  02:24 – Meet Philip Chabot, CEO of RSC Mechanical  03:40 – The Family Legacy and Early Lessons in Leadership  06:25 – The Planned CEO Transition  08:05 – “Want vs Will”: The Real Test of Leadership  11:09 – Balancing Family and CEO Responsibilities  15:10 – Recognizing the Doom Loop  17:08 – Escaping It: A Good Plan Beats No Plan  20:47 – Building Accountability Through “The Compass”  23:57 – Culture Over Convenience in a Family Business  26:40 – Maintaining Standards and Communication  32:37 – What Got Us Here Won’t Get Us There  35:45 – Scaling with Structure and Data  38:30 – Building Culture That Attracts A-Players  40:30 – Using Data as a Leadership Tool  43:33 – Consistency Drives Profitability  45:36 – Phil’s Advice: Write. Plan. Measure.   51:00 – Closing Thoughts: Consistency Wins Every Time Send a text

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  5. 2025. 12. 09.

    Episode 13: Carl Saunders on Doubling Revenue, Tripling Profit, and Rebuilding Trust

    Carl Saunders was stuck. Four years of flat revenue. Flat profit. Eighty to one hundred hour weeks. Two top performers asking, “Where is the opportunity here?” Most CEOs know that moment. Few know how to climb out. In this episode, Carl shares how he broke the cycle that was burning him out and stalling the company. His story moves from overwork and fear-driven leadership to a system that transformed the business: daily huddles, transparency, servant leadership, real accountability, and a team that delivered without him in the center. Within four years, Vorum doubled revenue, tripled profitability, and sold the company with a six-month earn-out because the team was running the business, not Carl. If you’re a CEO who feels stuck, this is the roadmap. What You’ll Learn• The Doom Loop defined Flat growth, overwork, and top talent questioning their future. • Why founders stay stuck Fear of failure, over-involvement, “hero mode,” and the belief that effort equals value. • The exact tools Carl used to turn it around Daily huddles Radical transparency Servant leadership one-on-ones • Proof of transformation Revenue doubled. Profitability tripled. Earn-out reduced from two years to six months. • What goes into the CEO Playbook Stop wearing 80-hour weeks like a badge. Lean into personal change. Make accountability visible. Coach your leaders, don’t rescue them. Don’t try to do this alone. • A 30-day roadmap to break the Doom Loop Simple steps any CEO can start now. About Carl SaundersFormer CEO of Vorum, a global medical technology innovator in custom orthopedic devices. Now a full-time Metronomics coach helping CEOs escape the patterns he once lived through. Chapters00:00 Cold Open 00:45 Introduction 02:00 Carl’s Doom Loop Moment 08:00 Why CEOs Get Stuck 12:00 Tools That Break the Loop 22:00 Transformation and Results 28:00 Carl’s CEO Playbook 33:00 Coachability and Resistance 36:00 A CEO’s First 30 Days 39:00 Recap and Close Resources and LinksDownload the free CEO Playbook The frameworks Carl used. The same tools we teach. Subscribe to Escape the CEO Doom Loop Real stories, real systems, straight from CEOs who’ve done the work. About the ShowEscape the CEO Doom Loop is for CEOs and leadership teams ready to grow with clarity, momentum, and purpose. Hosted by Glen Dall and John Ninkovich, each episode brings you practical tools and real-world stories from leaders who’ve built strong companies without sacrificing their sanity. Apple Podcasts: https://lnkd.in/gGJHsNT9 Spotify: https://lnkd.in/gDywEfuc YouTube: https://lnkd.in/gcNmQvA4 #EscapeTheCEODoomLoop #CEOLeadership #ExecutiveCoaching #Metronomics #LeadershipSystems #GetUnstuck #CEOPlaybook Send a text

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Escape the CEO Doom Loop is built for CEOs and leadership teams ready to grow. Each episode delivers practical insights, real-world stories, and tools you can use today to lead with clarity and scale with confidence. We spotlight what’s working—and what’s not—for leaders navigating growth, building culture, and driving accountability.  It’s more than a podcast—it’s a gateway to The CEO Playbook and the next step in becoming the leader your business needs next.